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Post by mark687 on Mar 29, 2016 15:00:03 GMT
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Post by elkawho on Mar 30, 2016 0:23:05 GMT
Big Finish have just made the 'extended extras' available for the Peterloo Massacre. It's a thirty minute documentary featuring interviews with all, but mostly me (!) - talking about the writing process, research, characterisation and writing for Doctor Who. I listened to these earlier today. I really enjoyed the insights into how this audio was made. You really wrote a masterpiece of a story, Paul. So, are you going to be the go to guy for historicals now?
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Mar 30, 2016 3:49:02 GMT
I finished up today and have to say that this is now my favorite 5th Doctor audio adventure and I think number two overall 5th Doctor story. This has been a great trilogy with each story being better than the last but The Peterloo Massacre is something a cut above and something really special. An easy contender for story of the year across all the Doctor Who ranges. Thanks to all involved.
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Post by constonks on Mar 31, 2016 17:04:27 GMT
That was fantastically grim. Had me well stressed from start to finish despite knowing nothing about the actual event. After recently watching The Wire and John Oliver and reading about the American political landscape right now, a class struggle story felt very current for me. Very close to home.
The main range really has been fantastic this year, hasn't it? I was expecting this trilogy to be a sort of consolation while waiting for The Two Masters and Ace & Mel but it ended up being three classic stories that stand amongst Big Finish's best.
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Post by jasonward on Mar 31, 2016 17:25:52 GMT
I've sat on this for a while now, but I have to just let it out.
So, I really enjoyed this story, I think it truely excellent and by far the best historical I've heard/seen.
But my experience of it is clearly quite different from most if not all other poster here.
I didn't find it edgy or emotional, indeed, the scene where we learn the baby has been killed, even after relistening to it several times, even in the knowledge of how others see it, and how Paul intended it to be seen, just doesn't say to me the baby is dead, even after relistening I am left wondering why people are left with the understanding the baby is dead.
Even after listening to it with full knowledge of what I am expected to hear/learn I'm lefting thinking there is no way in that scene to know, at best the baby "could be" dead, but nothing says that, and without subsequent events, I would have argued the baby was alive.
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Post by elkawho on Mar 31, 2016 17:39:52 GMT
I've sat on this for a while now, but I have to just let it out. So, I really enjoyed this story, I think it truely excellent and by far the best historical I've heard/seen. But my experience of it is clearly quite different from most if not all other poster here. I didn't find it edgy or emotional, indeed, the scene where we learn the baby has been killed, even after relistening to it several times, even in the knowledge of how others see it, and how Paul intended it to be seen, just doesn't say to me the baby is dead, even after relistening I am left wondering why people are left with the understanding the baby is dead. Even after listening to it with full knowledge of what I am expected to hear/learn I'm lefting thinking there is no way in that scene to know, at best the baby "could be" dead, but nothing says that, and without subsequent events, I would have argued the baby was alive. That's interesting. I immediately knew that the baby was dead, and it seemed that Nyssa just didn't want to say those words to his mother. That's where the emotion was for me. Trying to find a way to tell a mother that her baby is dead.
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Post by constonks on Mar 31, 2016 20:08:47 GMT
Really? I thought it was super clear when Nyssa sounded apprehensive and the mother said "he's so quiet". Mind you I was also expecting it.
Although I don't think I'd call it edgy, it was certainly very human and uncomfortable and I'd be lying if I said I didn't find it emotional.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 23:04:27 GMT
It kind of speaks to the coddling that's been going on in recent NuWho, I really didn't think they'd go for it. I knew Cathy's baby was dead as soon as it went silent in the crowd, but I didn't feel it until Nyssa exploded and started screaming at Hurley that he was responsible. "THE CHILD IS DEAD!" was the exact moment that my brain went: "Welcome back to Big Finish, the home of serious dramatic consequences."
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Post by totallybigfinish on Apr 15, 2016 21:01:31 GMT
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Post by mark687 on Apr 15, 2016 21:09:53 GMT
Nice work and Welcome to the Forum.
Regards
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 5:52:01 GMT
This was just a sensation. The real life-event has always been a stain on the country, and The Doctor is exaggerating a bit when he says there'll be positive consequences - it was a long, long time before anything changed to even slightly improve the lot of the poorest in society. That's one of the reasons the Peterloo Massacre is so famous - that so much bloodshed to made so little difference. Absolutely horrendous event.
Regardless of history, on the audio itself, I loved it. It had a real feeling of building dread that doesn't often come across in any medium of Doctor Who when it comes to historical events. Too often there's humour to undermime the horrors of events. We've seen this at Pomeii, the French Revolution and other events depicted in Who-dom but this was an ever increasing level of maleovelence that, frankly, was more horrific than a dozen Dalek invasions. Perhaps because this is the most mild-mannered Doctor, to have him be so abhorred by events, so very angry and really quite desolate made it all the more resonant. This story needs a level head like that. Not the pomposity of Sixie or the frivolity of Tom's Doctor. This needed Davison and he delivered one of the best performances I've heard from him.
I didn't think they'd go as far as the baby dying, honestly, but looking back even his name is a bit of a hint that he's a symbol of the senseless violence that's to occur. And I'm with the others above, sorry Jason, it was crystal-clear to me that the child was dead at that point without anyone coming out and saying so. The sound design changes, the acting all goes very somber from being very frantic and the line about him always being such a good quiet baby was telling too.
More superficially, lovely to heard Gerard Kearns do a Big Finish. He was one of the only reasons I stuck with Shameless as long as I did.
I've always been a big fan of Paul Magrs - and boy has that led to some arguments with certain people who don't share that view over the years - but this is as good as anything he's written.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 7:04:52 GMT
This was just a sensation. The real life-event has always been a stain on the country, and The Doctor is exaggerating a bit when he says there'll be positive consequences - it was a long, long time before anything changed to even slightly improve the lot of the poorest in society. That's one of the reasons the Peterloo Massacre is so famous - that so much bloodshed to made so little difference. Absolutely horrendous event. Regardless of history, on the audio itself, I loved it. It had a real feeling of building dread that doesn't often come across in any medium of Doctor Who when it comes to historical events. Too often there's humour to undermime the horrors of events. We've seen this at Pomeii, the French Revolution and other events depicted in Who-dom but this was an ever increasing level of maleovelence that, frankly, was more horrific than a dozen Dalek invasions. Perhaps because this is the most mild-mannered Doctor, to have him be so abhorred by events, so very angry and really quite desolate made it all the more resonant. This story needs a level head like that. Not the pomposity of Sixie or the frivolity of Tom's Doctor. This needed Davison and he delivered one of the best performances I've heard from him. I didn't think they'd go as far as the baby dying, honestly, but looking back even his name is a bit of a hint that he's a symbol of the senseless violence that's to occur. And I'm with the others above, sorry Jason, it was crystal-clear to me that the child was dead at that point without anyone coming out and saying so. The sound design changes, the acting all goes very somber from being very frantic and the line about him always being such a good quiet baby was telling too. More superficially, lovely to heard Gerard Kearns do a Big Finish. He was one of the only reasons I stuck with Shameless as long as I did. I've always been a big fan of Paul Magrs - and boy has that led to some arguments with certain people who don't share that view over the years - but this is as good as anything he's written. I never been a big fan of Paul Magrs story's but this one was outstanding, it was chilling, heartbreaking emotional rollercoaster that showed the bloody aftermath of the massacre & didn't pull it's punches & give us a syrupy conclusion.. The baby dying was horrific but necessary to send out a strong message because when there's bloodshed & horrific violence committed there are going to be casualties, losses & consequences. This is the only audio drama to have made me cry & is in my opinion Peter Davisons best performance to date as the Doctor.
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Post by Ela on Dec 21, 2017 20:47:13 GMT
I listened to this story for the first time earlier this week. Very good story, and a very chilling bit of history. You could tell from the title that "something bad" was going to happen, even if you didn't know the history, so I found the dramatic music just a tad overdone. I had never heard of the Peterloo Massacre (nor had my spouse, who is a bit of a history buff). Halfway through the story I paused to look up the actual history of the event. Very well written, great acting, and overall, a story worth spending time on.
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Post by elkawho on Dec 31, 2017 0:20:04 GMT
I listened to this story for the first time earlier this week. Very good story, and a very chilling bit of history. You could tell from the title that "something bad" was going to happen, even if you didn't know the history, so I found the dramatic music just a tad overdone. I had never heard of the Peterloo Massacre (nor had my spouse, who is a bit of a history buff). Halfway through the story I paused to look up the actual history of the event. Very well written, great acting, and overall, a story worth spending time on. Yeah, I love this story. I also looked this event up as a result of this audio. One more thing I learned from being a Doctor Who fan.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 20:55:39 GMT
I was going to ask who they have lined up to play the Fifth Doctor, then thought "doh!" ....being Mike Leigh he would always cast Jim Broadbent instead. Shame really.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Jul 29, 2018 21:26:17 GMT
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