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Post by Tim Bradley on Oct 8, 2015 14:14:26 GMT
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Post by Tim Bradley on Oct 14, 2015 15:40:13 GMT
Hello everyone. I have a question regarding the Sixth Doctor's timeline. Is the book 'Time's Champion' considered 'canon' (I hate that word) for Sixy? I tried to look for the book on Amazon and I can't seem to find it. I know it's a fan fiction book, but I was wondering what everyone's thoughts on it were and whether it ties in to what goes on in 'Spiral Scratch' and 'The Sixth Doctor: The Last Adventure'? Any thoughts would be welcome. Thanks. Tim.  |
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Post by glutamodo on Oct 15, 2015 3:30:03 GMT
I think you'd have better luck on eBay than Amazon. Time's Champion was a limited time printing just for a charity, and was intended to only have the one printing and then go out of print forever.
From what I remember, while it doesn't "totally" invalidate Spiral Scratch, it's not a companion piece to it either.
Now, The Last Adventure is a totally different story and they don't tie in at all.
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Post by constonks on Oct 15, 2015 12:12:57 GMT
I personally don't consider Time's Champion - or Perfect Timing, Seasons of War, Campaign, the Audio Visuals, anything without a Beeb license or creator consent - canon. Nothing against the works themselves, I just have to draw the line somewhere or my head will explode.
But if we ignore Time's Champion, then perhaps Spiral Scratch just takes place in a pre-Valeyard timeline. After all, the word Valeyard appears nowhere in the book. In fact the only inference that Trial of a Time Lord even happened is that Mel knows about regeneration from her "brief time on Gallifrey". Maybe the Valeyard is not part of a stable time loop, but an interference into history?
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Post by Tim Bradley on Dec 3, 2015 8:46:43 GMT
Hello everyone! I've now added the prose Short Trips; annual stories and comic stories into the Sixth Doctor's timeline list. Hope you enjoy it! Tim. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 9:44:51 GMT
Hello everyone. I have a question regarding the Sixth Doctor's timeline. Is the book 'Time's Champion' considered 'canon' (I hate that word) for Sixy? I tried to look for the book on Amazon and I can't seem to find it. I know it's a fan fiction book, but I was wondering what everyone's thoughts on it were and whether it ties in to what goes on in 'Spiral Scratch' and 'The Sixth Doctor: The Last Adventure'? Any thoughts would be welcome. Thanks. Tim. Yes, absolutely. The end of the book culminates in the Doctor using his abilities as Time's Champion to rewrite time and cheat Death of her claim on Mel. As such, Spiral Scratch happens in place of Time's Champion with only the Doctor himself remembers the events of the latter ever occurring. It subtly leads into Spiral Scratch with the Lamprey affair being a possible (unstated) side effect of him staving off the Breakdown. The Sixth Doctor does mention meeting his future self to Mel off-page in Gary Russell's novel, which makes me suspect that the Seventh Doctor remembered Time's Champion and made sure to cover his former self's tracks. So whether or not you consider it canon, the Craig Hinton/Chris McKeon novel sorts out the kerfuffle of continuity for you, which is rather nice. |
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Post by Tim Bradley on Feb 11, 2016 10:01:03 GMT
Hello everyone! I've now updated the Sixth Doctor's timeline thread by having it as a page view instead of a PDF view for users to see. Enjoy! Tim. |
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Post by liam on Feb 19, 2016 10:32:31 GMT
Hello... I've been listening to Sixy and Evelyn stories and I'm now up to DW and the Pirates. According to The Doctor's timeline the three Thomas Brewster stories (143, 144 & 145) fall between Jubilee (40) and Pirates(43). I recently took advantage of the sale and brought all of Evelyn's stories up to 100.
Essentially what I'm asking is.... For continuity do I need to buy the Thomas Brewster stories or should I just carry on with the ones I have?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 11:23:21 GMT
Hello... I've been listening to Sixy and Evelyn stories and I'm now up to DW and the Pirates. According to The Doctor's timeline the three Thomas Brewster stories (143, 144 & 145) fall between Jubilee (40) and Pirates(43). I recently took advantage of the sale and brought all of Evelyn's stories up to 100. Essentially what I'm asking is.... For continuity do I need to buy the Thomas Brewster stories or should I just carry on with the ones I have? Nope. It shouldn't be a problem. The way they were produced makes it so the Brewster trilogy is more a bonus add-on than a non-negotiable requirement. |
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Post by Tim Bradley on Feb 19, 2016 12:47:52 GMT
Hello... I've been listening to Sixy and Evelyn stories and I'm now up to DW and the Pirates. According to The Doctor's timeline the three Thomas Brewster stories (143, 144 & 145) fall between Jubilee (40) and Pirates(43). Hello. I haven't placed those Thomas Brewster stories between 'Jubilee' and 'Pirates'? Is it said somewhere else on another timeline that the Brewster stories take place between those two stories? I went by the release order of the Evelyn stories as I've not heard them all yet. Please let me know. Kind regards Tim.
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Post by liam on Feb 19, 2016 12:53:39 GMT
Thanks for answering. I guess I'll just carry on with the ones I've already brought.
I have a lot of 8 and Charley ones to listen to too. I got up to Zagreus and then stopped until the sale. So I now have the next 14 waiting to be played.
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Post by constonks on Feb 21, 2016 18:21:17 GMT
The Brewster stories just take place at some point in Evelyn's travels with the Doctor. There's a point in Crimes where the Doctor's coat is destroyed and Evelyn is happy about it, only to learn he has twelve of them. If it's meant to be the multi-coloured coat in dialogue, the cover artist didn't get the memo as Colin is in blue there. Given that the same mistake was made on Spaceport Fear, though, it's hard to tell what this means.
I say you can place Evelyn's stories in release order with the obvious exceptions of Thicker Than Water and A Death in the Family.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2016 10:14:29 GMT
The Brewster stories just take place at some point in Evelyn's travels with the Doctor. There's a point in Crimes where the Doctor's coat is destroyed and Evelyn is happy about it, only to learn he has twelve of them. If it's meant to be the multi-coloured coat in dialogue, the cover artist didn't get the memo as Colin is in blue there. Given that the same mistake was made on Spaceport Fear, though, it's hard to tell what this means. I say you can place Evelyn's stories in release order with the obvious exceptions of Thicker Than Water and A Death in the Family. Definitely, the only hiccough that really happens from memory is during 100 BC (the first story of 100) when she mentions meeting Wolfgang Mozart... An episode which according to the release order happens after the events of that story in My Own Private Wolfgang and not before. It's a teeny, tiny continuity error, but if it matters then My Own Private Wolfgang should probably be placed before 100 BC. |
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Post by constonks on Feb 23, 2016 23:04:21 GMT
(...)It's a teeny, tiny continuity error, but if it matters then My Own Private Wolfgang should probably be placed before 100 BC. Yes, I'd forgotten about that one. In terms of how to listen to it, I think it still works, but chronologically speaking, it's definitely Wolfgang first. Unrelated to Mozart, I've actually been batting around a strange continuity thought about Frobisher's travels lately. It came from the fact that the inside cover of Mission Impractical claims that the story takes place between the comics War-Game and Fun House. Many people - myself included - ignore this as an error: after all, Frobisher travels with Peri in the comic directly following Fun House and Mission Impractical is very much a post-Trial story. But now that we have a second set of Peri stories set after Trial of a Time Lord, I got to wondering... What if Frobisher's time with the Doctor actually happens after The Rani Elite? But then I realised there's only two years for Peri between The Two Docs and World Shapers, while five pass in The Widow's Assassin. And she does seem younger in the comics. But I'm at least convinced that the latter-day Frobisher stories (Maltese Penguin and onwards) take place at some point after The Rani Elite. The Doctor doesn't know how Peri will be after he leaves Flip. That's the whole reason he searches her out. Yet in the Age of Chaos, he has already met her happily married alternate self (one of the many Peri splinters alluded to in Piscon Paradox) and is very well-informed on her life. So even if they're different Peris, I think Age of Chaos has to be somewhere between The Rani Elite and Business Unusual. (Sidenote: Up Above the Gods takes place during the events of the earlier comic Emperor of the Daleks, a Seven-Benny story guest starring the Sixth Doctor and Peri. Just in case you want to add that to the timeline. Placement is perfect though, as Sixie mentions Frobisher in passing!) |
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Post by omega on Feb 23, 2016 23:22:58 GMT
Not an issue with your timeline, but I've got an interesting theory about where the 2010 Sixth Doctor and Jamie trilogy takes place in his timeline. {Spoiler}
The first story of the 2009 Sixth Doctor and Charley trilogy, Patient Zero, has Charley contract a virus at the start of the story. The Doctor puts her in the Zero Room while he tries to locate the source of the virus, and thus a cure. This takes a long time (many years apparently) and is when the various one-episode stories dealing with viruses are set. The Doctor admits to Charley that he may have gotten sidetracked from time to time.
The stories in Sixth Doctor and Jamie trilogy (quadrilogy if you count the Companion Chronicle Night's Black Agents) pretty much run right into each other, no narrative gap that can be exploited. Night's Black Agents follows City of Spires, The Wreck of the Titan is explicitly this Jamie's first trip in the TARDIS (and the conclusion of Night's Black Agents the first time in the TARDS). TWotT ends on a cliffhanger that leads into Legend of the Cybermen, which puts a definitive end to this run of stories.
My theory is that in the Patient Zero gap the Doctor is drawn into the setting of City of Spires, and is too excited by meeting Jamie again to worry about Charley or find a cure for her. Once he leaves the setting of Legend of the Cybermen and is alone again at the conclusion of that story, that's when he picks up the trail of the virus again. |
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Post by constonks on Feb 23, 2016 23:41:44 GMT
Not an issue with your timeline, but I've got an interesting theory about where the 2010 Sixth Doctor and Jamie trilogy takes place in his timeline. {Spoiler}
The first story of the 2009 Sixth Doctor and Charley trilogy, Patient Zero, has Charley contract a virus at the start of the story. The Doctor puts her in the Zero Room while he tries to locate the source of the virus, and thus a cure. This takes a long time (many years apparently) and is when the various one-episode stories dealing with viruses are set. The Doctor admits to Charley that he may have gotten sidetracked from time to time.
The stories in Sixth Doctor and Jamie trilogy (quadrilogy if you count the Companion Chronicle Night's Black Agents) pretty much run right into each other, no narrative gap that can be exploited. Night's Black Agents follows City of Spires, The Wreck of the Titan is explicitly this Jamie's first trip in the TARDIS (and the conclusion of Night's Black Agents the first time in the TARDS). TWotT ends on a cliffhanger that leads into Legend of the Cybermen, which puts a definitive end to this run of stories.
My theory is that in the Patient Zero gap the Doctor is drawn into the setting of City of Spires, and is too excited by meeting Jamie again to worry about Charley or find a cure for her. Once he leaves the setting of Legend of the Cybermen and is alone again at the conclusion of that story, that's when he picks up the trail of the virus again. I will agree that Urgent Calls should be placed in that gap, as the only one-episode virus story starring Colin Baker. Not to keep talking about coats, but Colin isn't in blue in the Jamie Trilogy, is he? I mean he certainly isn't on the cover but I seem to recall Jamie saying something about the patchwork colourful coat. Might be thinking of the Locum Doctors trilogy, though. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2016 2:33:54 GMT
(...)It's a teeny, tiny continuity error, but if it matters then My Own Private Wolfgang should probably be placed before 100 BC. Yes, I'd forgotten about that one. In terms of how to listen to it, I think it still works, but chronologically speaking, it's definitely Wolfgang first. Unrelated to Mozart, I've actually been batting around a strange continuity thought about Frobisher's travels lately. It came from the fact that the inside cover of Mission Impractical claims that the story takes place between the comics War-Game and Fun House. Many people - myself included - ignore this as an error: after all, Frobisher travels with Peri in the comic directly following Fun House and Mission Impractical is very much a post-Trial story. But now that we have a second set of Peri stories set after Trial of a Time Lord, I got to wondering... What if Frobisher's time with the Doctor actually happens after The Rani Elite? But then I realised, there's only two years for Peri between The Two Docs and World Shapers, while five pass in The Widow's Assassin. And she does seem younger in the comics. But I'm at least convinced that the latter-day Frobisher stories (Maltese Penguin and onwards) take place at some point after The Rani Elite. The Doctor doesn't know how Peri will be after he leaves Flip. That's the whole reason he searches her out. Yet in the Age of Chaos, he has already met her happily married alternate self (one of the many Peri splinters alluded to in Piscon Paradox) and is very well-informed on her life. So even if they're different Peris, I think Age of Chaos has to be somewhere between The Rani Elite and Business Unusual. (Sidenote: Up Above the Gods takes place during the events of the earlier comic Emperor of the Daleks, a Seven-Benny story guest starring the Sixth Doctor and Peri. Just in case you want to add that to the timeline. Placement is perfect though, as Sixie mentions Frobisher in passing!) is a funny old ditty because it's actually a missing scene set just after "Part One" of Emperor. It has some wonderful banter for the Sixth Doctor and Davros about the nature of good, evil and whether the Dalek creator himself deserves a second chance. Anyway, that's a very interesting theory and given The Age of Chaos's rather unique placement in the timeline nowadays... Hmm... I think David A. McIntee who wrote Mission: Impractical either forgot or deliberately ignored The Six Champions ("Kane's Story", "Frobisher's Story", etc.) and everything that came afterward. The early placement of the post-Trial Frobisher stories has a lot to do with a combination of The Wormery, The Maltese Penguin and Mission: Impractical, respectively. The Wormery is a story that by all accounts has a much wearier Sixth Doctor whose love for life has diminished somewhat and it's the end of that story (plus a little cajoling in The Spindle of Necessity) that gets him out of his funk, but he's still nevertheless a very lonely man at the end of it. The Maltese Penguin sees him happier, if still incomplete, so the two stories seem to flow naturally from one to the other with only Excelis Rising to continue the Doctor's solitary reclusiveness. Mission: Impractical has the same sedate and mistrusting Doctor as well and is the first appearance of someone who appears to be the Valeyard in disguise. He fails both here and in Her Final Flight, possibly placing this before Trial of the Valeyard wherein he takes to matters personally. It's his failure in Trial that leads me to suspect that's why we don't see him or any mention of him during Sixy's travels with Evelyn, he's too busy consolidating resources for another try. As to The Age of Chaos itself, well that theory certainly does fit. The Doctor goes to pick up Frobisher fairly early on in the plot and it's treated as either a routine occurrence (like the Brigadier) or just a passing stopover while they continue on their adventures. This is also a Sixth Doctor far more in line with what we saw in Terror of the Vervoids, a man who is excited about the universe again. Not an issue with your timeline, but I've got an interesting theory about where the 2010 Sixth Doctor and Jamie trilogy takes place in his timeline. (...) I will agree that Urgent Calls should be placed in that gap, as the only one-episode virus story starring Colin Baker. Not to keep talking about coats, but Colin isn't in blue in the Jamie Trilogy, is he? I mean he certainly isn't on the cover but I seem to recall Jamie saying something about the patchwork colourful coat. Might be thinking of the Locum Doctors trilogy, though. Actually, I don't think there's any reference to Colin's coat in the Jamie trilogy. I've always thought that he was dressed either in blue or in his The Ultimate Adventure garb. I've always personally thought that Adventure and City of Spires flow into one another because of developments with Zog in Face Value where his true nature is revealed, but that's just me. |
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Post by constonks on Feb 24, 2016 12:44:11 GMT
Oh, I'm sure McIntee just forgot that Peri showed up in the comics, and I'd still place the stories somewhere before Mindwarp but it's sort of a shame the timeline didn't work out just to make that little gaffe make sense, especially because Peri never mentions Frobisher outside of the comics...
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Post by Tim Bradley on Mar 30, 2016 7:02:06 GMT
Hello everyone! I've now added the Short Trip audio 'Prime Winner' to the Sixth Doctor's timeline. Tim. |
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Post by Tim Bradley on Mar 30, 2016 8:34:02 GMT
Hello everyone! I've now added the upcoming trilogy with Sixy and Constance this year to the timeline. Tim. |
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