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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2016 17:11:27 GMT
This thread, and countless more I've seen on FB, show that certainpeople saying that the critics somehow have it in for this film are deluded. The core audience have plenty of major issues with it too, but that doesn't fit the narrative.
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Post by Trace on Mar 28, 2016 2:14:04 GMT
I haven't seen it yet, and the scathing reviews here (and elsewhere) don't make me want to rush out for a showing. But, a part of me still wants to see it, mainly just because of the few things that people seemed to like...i.e., Batmobile, Hunter, Gadot, entrance to Batcave, Batsuits, etc. I think I may find a few redeeming moments...but perhaps my money is better spent waiting for home rental!
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Post by icecreamdf on Mar 28, 2016 3:36:57 GMT
I haven't seen it yet, and the scathing reviews here (and elsewhere) don't make me want to rush out for a showing. But, a part of me still wants to see it, mainly just because of the few things that people seemed to like...i.e., Batmobile, Hunter, Gadot, entrance to Batcave, Batsuits, etc. I think I may find a few redeeming moments...but perhaps my money is better spent waiting for home rental! Its definitely worth seeing. If nothing else, the two big battles are very cool.
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Post by Timelord007 on Mar 28, 2016 7:28:54 GMT
He's had, and lost a Robin, if the suit in the Batcave is to be believed. Is that Jason Todd? It should be by comic lore but considering this film introduces and KILLS Jimmy Olsen without even naming him on screen, only in the credits, I don't think the supporting characters interest Snyder and co. So for all we know, it's Dick Grayson who is dead. I think what happened is Joker killed Robin & it broke Batman mentally, he kills Joker but the Joker gets the last laugh because he has finally made Batman kill & become like him.
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Post by fingersmash on Mar 28, 2016 13:19:56 GMT
Hate to say it, but there were a few things I liked that would make me go back if someone wanted to see it. Batmobile, batsuits, Henry Cavill, Amy Adams, and Holly Hunter. Nonsensical and doom and gloom? Yeah, but there are just some things about it that keep me coming back.
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Post by randomjc on Mar 28, 2016 14:03:14 GMT
It's not. It just leads to killing off characters that have no use in the current narrative anymore. I'm waiting for Justice League bring in new characters who serve the exact same purpose and kill them off too. This movie doesn't understand storytelling through a franchise on a basic level. Like Jimmy Olsen in the beginning.
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Post by icecreamdf on Mar 28, 2016 14:18:59 GMT
He's had, and lost a Robin, if the suit in the Batcave is to be believed. Is that Jason Todd? It should be by comic lore but considering this film introduces and KILLS Jimmy Olsen without even naming him on screen, only in the credits, I don't think the supporting characters interest Snyder and co. So for all we know, it's Dick Grayson who is dead. I think what happened is Joker killed Robin & it broke Batman mentally, he kills Joker but the Joker gets the last laugh because he has finally made Batman kill & become like him. Joker's in Suicide Squad though. I guess he might be only in flashbacks or something.
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Post by fingersmash on Mar 28, 2016 14:48:14 GMT
It's not. It just leads to killing off characters that have no use in the current narrative anymore. I'm waiting for Justice League bring in new characters who serve the exact same purpose and kill them off too. This movie doesn't understand storytelling through a franchise on a basic level. Like Jimmy Olsen in the beginning. I didn't even realize it was supposed to be Jimmy Olsen. It was so not Jimmy Olsen. It was anti-Jimmy Olsen.
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Post by icecreamdf on Mar 28, 2016 15:18:31 GMT
Like Jimmy Olsen in the beginning. I didn't even realize it was supposed to be Jimmy Olsen. It was so not Jimmy Olsen. It was anti-Jimmy Olsen. Before he did anything, the fact that he had a camera and was with Lois made me think he might be Jimmy. Then when he turned out to be a CIA agent, I assumed he was someone else until the credits. Maybe they'll pull a Smallville, and have his little brother (also named Jimmy) become a photographer for the Daily Planet.
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Post by randomjc on Mar 28, 2016 15:57:27 GMT
I didn't even realize it was supposed to be Jimmy Olsen. It was so not Jimmy Olsen. It was anti-Jimmy Olsen. Before he did anything, the fact that he had a camera and was with Lois made me think he might be Jimmy. Then when he turned out to be a CIA agent, I assumed he was someone else until the credits. Maybe they'll pull a Smallville, and have his little brother (also named Jimmy) become a photographer for the Daily Planet. Also the tracker in his camera felt very "Superman summoning ring".
Snyder's reason too. "we can have fun with him, right?”
www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/batman-v-superman-zack-snyder-explains-why-he-killed-off-jimmy-olsen-a6954956.html
I'm finding myself getting surprisingly angry at this movie now...
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Post by agentten on Mar 28, 2016 16:46:48 GMT
It's perfectly reasonable to be angry about that. It's a casual disregarding of a character who's played a major role in Superman's stories since 1938.
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Post by icecreamdf on Mar 28, 2016 18:06:44 GMT
Well, according to that interview, they realized that Jimmy Olsen didn't fit into their plans for the upcoming movies. Thie way, at least he gets to make an appearance.
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Post by randomjc on Mar 28, 2016 19:41:08 GMT
Well, according to that interview, they realized that Jimmy Olsen didn't fit into their plans for the upcoming movies. Thie way, at least he gets to make an appearance. True enough.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2016 22:55:59 GMT
Then leave Jimmy in case someone else wants to use him later. Did Casino Royale say "Well, we don't want Moneypenny and Q so lets kill them off in the first 5 miutes"? No - they just left them on the shelf for future use. Killing someone who has been in comics since the year zero of Superman for no reason illustrates why Snyder is such a hack and why when reviewers say this is " a film made by fans for fans" - they're talking out their backsides. It's made for people who don't know these characters at all.
Add Snyder's bizarre Olson-hate to this: he has been saying in interviews "Well, Batman kills in The Dark Knight Returns and that's the most popular Batman story ever." Batman does NOT kill in that story. He doesn't even kill The Joker after everything they've been through leaving The Joker to break his own neck. He is brutal and savage but even the legendary Frank Miller Returns Batman is not a murderer. Snyder is a liar or Snyder is faking being a comic-book fan. Either way - he's making stuff up to justify his *ahem* work.
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Post by icecreamdf on Mar 28, 2016 23:53:16 GMT
Then leave Jimmy in case someone else wants to use him later. Did Casino Royale say "Well, we don't want Moneypenny and Q so lets kill them off in the first 5 miutes"? No - they just left them on the shelf for future use. Killing someone who has been in comics since the year zero of Superman for no reason illustrates why Snyder is such a hack and why when reviewers say this is " a film made by fans for fans" - they're talking out their backsides. It's made for people who don't know these characters at all. Add Snyder's bizarre Olson-hate to this: he has been saying in interviews "Well, Batman kills in The Dark Knight Returns and that's the most popular Batman story ever." Batman does NOT kill in that story. He doesn't even kill The Joker after everything they've been through leaving The Joker to break his own neck. He is brutal and savage but even the legendary Frank Miller Returns Batman is not a murderer. Snyder is a liar or Snyder is faking being a comic-book fan. Either way - he's making stuff up to justify his *ahem* work. They seem to have things planned out way in advance, so I doubt they were going to use Jimmy. If they do change their minds, it isn't that hard to get around. Smallville had two unrelated Cat Grants, and two related Jimmy Olsens. Did Batman actually kill anyone in the movie? Obviously, he was planning to kill Superman, but that was a special case. Otherwise, the only time I remember him using guns or lethal force was in the dream/premonition/whatever.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 0:48:08 GMT
Yes, he did - more than once. He blows people up with the Batwing, he then later shoots the guys flamethrower pack which explodes killing him and there was at least one broken neck in the "third floor" scene - we even heard the neck snap. There were also at least a couple of people killed in the Batmobile chase sequence.
And they don't have things set in stone too far ahead. That's not how this is working (or any film series) - they've got plans but they constantly change when needed. Only Suicide Squad is too late to do anything about. Anything from Wonder Woman onwards can still be reshaped and retooled as needed. We've seen Warners do this already when the planned Man Of Steel 2 script Goyer was working on was scrapped to do Batman Vs Superman instead after concerns Batman was needed to sell the new Universe to a mass audience.
Jett from BatmanOnFilm.Com - THE resource for Batman, who has more than a few insiders at Warners - said earlier there was a meeting yesterday discussing the future of the franchise longer term. What that means, he didn't elaborate on but how fascinating that a film that breaks records opening weekend can still be worrying Warners. What times we live in. We know the billion dollar mark is where they need to break even which shows how much they've spent above and below the line. It'll be interesting to see the box office in the weeks ahead. They've got a relatively free month before a certain Civil War will be the comic movie du jour.
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Post by icecreamdf on Mar 29, 2016 1:43:28 GMT
Yes, he did - more than once. He blows people up with the Batwing, he then later shoots the guys flamethrower pack which explodes killing him and there was at least one broken neck in the "third floor" scene - we even heard the neck snap. There were also at least a couple of people killed in the Batmobile chase sequence. And they don't have things set in stone too far ahead. That's not how this is working (or any film series) - they've got plans but they constantly change when needed. Only Suicide Squad is too late to do anything about. Anything from Wonder Woman onwards can still be reshaped and retooled as needed. We've seen Warners do this already when the planned Man Of Steel 2 script Goyer was working on was scrapped to do Batman Vs Superman instead after concerns Batman was needed to sell the new Universe to a mass audience. Jett from BatmanOnFilm.Com - THE resource for Batman, who has more than a few insiders at Warners - said earlier there was a meeting yesterday discussing the future of the franchise longer term. What that means, he didn't elaborate on but how fascinating that a film that breaks records opening weekend can still be worrying Warners. What times we live in. We know the billion dollar mark is where they need to break even which shows how much they've spent above and below the line. It'll be interesting to see the box office in the weeks ahead. They've got a relatively free month before a certain Civil War will be the comic movie du jour. I'll have to pay more attention next time I watch it, but I think most of that was collateral damage rather than Batman actually trying to kill people. Sort of like how Ra's Al Ghul died in an explosion that Batman was responsible for, but he still felt that he was following his one rule. Alfred's reaction to the branding suggests that Bruce has been getting a lot more violent ever since the events of Man of Steel. After how he chose not to brand Lex at the end, I suspect he will be back to his usual self by the next movie.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 2:34:14 GMT
I think you will notice it more next time - there was nothing "collateral damage" about it though. He was firing right at them in the Batwing and was aiming to blow up the flamethrower backpack in the warehouse. They can't be called anything but intentional. Alfred did indeed have the line about Bruce becoming "cruel" but I don't think killing people comes under the umbrella of cruelty.
I actually didn't mind the guns part with Batman and don't get the hate for that from most fans. It was a dream imagining what he would have to turn into as a response to a dictator Superman. Now, what DOES bother me about that scene is that its a dream within a dream - and we get another 3 dream sequences on top of that too. It's like our characters are all schizophrenic because they seem to learn from their dreams unless Kevin Costner was actually a force ghost.
Also, it's very cheap that much of the trailers were filled with stuff from dreams that doesn't actually happen in the film, like the whole desert Batman, Superman having an army and Batman being held prisoner. To use those as big parts of the trailer when they're not "in" the film? Cheap. Though since we essentially got the whole stucture of this film from the 2nd trailer, I think it's a marketing failure and I understand a few people lost their jobs after that trailer got savaged.
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Post by Hieronymus on Mar 29, 2016 4:33:12 GMT
ben afleck and jeremy irons were both good. i think this was a good intro for wonder woman gal godot. the music editing was terrible it telegraphed every point they wanted you to think was a big or important scene. the plot was a mess the editing didnt help the dreams sequences were a poor choice. gotham being right across the bay from metropolis was kind of dumb. Yep. I agree with every one of these. The music felt off (even awkward) and was baldy timed or even misplaced at times. The script for the first half felt as if it had been assembled in a food processor instead of a word processor.
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Post by Timelord007 on Mar 29, 2016 7:08:47 GMT
The forthcoming R rated Blu ray cut features even more violence in the Batman takedown warehouse scene & Doomsday fight, it's been announced for release in July, it will be interesting to watch if it improves the movie any as it also explains why Lex knows something bad is coming.
Angry Joes You Tube review summed it up perfectly in my opinion.
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