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Post by Tim Bradley on Oct 8, 2015 14:18:18 GMT
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Post by Tim Bradley on Dec 9, 2015 11:22:44 GMT
Hello everyone! I've added the titles of the War Doctor box sets to 'The War Doctor's Timeline'. Enjoy! Tim.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Feb 16, 2016 21:02:32 GMT
Hello everyone! I've now updated the War Doctor's timeline thread by having it as a page view instead of a PDF view for users to see. Enjoy! Tim.
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Post by Tim Bradley on May 14, 2016 9:21:51 GMT
Hello everyone! I've added the titles of the three stories in 'Age of Chaos' to the War Doctor's timeline. Enjoy! Tim.
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Post by Digi on May 15, 2016 13:47:19 GMT
The War Doctor's cameo in 'The Name of the Doctor' (TV) takes place before 'The Day of the Doctor' (TV).
When Name of the Doctor aired, I thought the War/Clara/11 encounter in 'the timestream' might've just been 'in his head,' so to speak. In his head, her seeing his memories--at any rate, not exactly real. Or was it real, and the War Doctor saw Clara and his eleventh incarnation on a battlefield somewhere and then...didn't know who they were come DotD? I'm curious what everyone's thoughts are on this!
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Post by muckypup on May 15, 2016 18:38:11 GMT
surely the war doctor is 8.5 not 9
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 19:02:43 GMT
surely the war doctor is 8.5 not 9 Nope, he's definitely 9. From now on whenever I talk about 10 I mean Eccleston. When I refer to 11 I trust you all to understand that I mean Tennant. The same with 12 of course. 13 and 14 are self explanatory, and 12.5 is of course the Valeyard.
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Post by Digi on May 15, 2016 22:27:16 GMT
surely the war doctor is 8.5 not 9 Nope, he's definitely 9. From now on whenever I talk about 10 I mean Eccleston. When I refer to 11 I trust you all to understand that I mean Tennant. The same with 12 of course. 13 and 14 are self explanatory, and 12.5 is of course the Valeyard. By that reasoning, Tennant is both 11 and 12, then the Valeyard, then Matt Smith as 13, and Capaldi as 14. Just because it's a regeneration of the same individual doesn't make it the xth incarnation of the individual's name. Hurt's "War Doctor" swore off the name and got mad at anyone who called him the Doctor. He was not the Doctor, 9th or otherwise. Likewise Tennant is the 10th individual in his lifetime to identify himself as the Doctor, not the 11th and 12th. And the Valeyard clearly did not ID himself as the Doctor, so giving him a number is just silly. Which is to say nothing of the fact that the "somewhere between his 12th and final incarnations" line was written when there was zero expectation that the show would run long enough for on-screen events to contradict the dialogue. With the Valeyard, all we can reasonably assume is that he's an incarnation between his second-to-last and final incarnations.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on May 23, 2016 7:31:11 GMT
Surely War's cameo in "Name of the Doctor" happens after his life? He's the consciousness of War living in th mind of either the eleventh or final Doctor?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 20:33:04 GMT
Nope, he's definitely 9. From now on whenever I talk about 10 I mean Eccleston. When I refer to 11 I trust you all to understand that I mean Tennant. The same with 12 of course. 13 and 14 are self explanatory, and 12.5 is of course the Valeyard. By that reasoning, Tennant is both 11 and 12, then the Valeyard, then Matt Smith as 13, and Capaldi as 14. Just because it's a regeneration of the same individual doesn't make it the xth incarnation of the individual's name. Hurt's "War Doctor" swore off the name and got mad at anyone who called him the Doctor. He was not the Doctor, 9th or otherwise. Likewise Tennant is the 10th individual in his lifetime to identify himself as the Doctor, not the 11th and 12th. And the Valeyard clearly did not ID himself as the Doctor, so giving him a number is just silly. Which is to say nothing of the fact that the "somewhere between his 12th and final incarnations" line was written when there was zero expectation that the show would run long enough for on-screen events to contradict the dialogue. With the Valeyard, all we can reasonably assume is that he's an incarnation between his second-to-last and final incarnations. My spreadsheet doesn't work if they don't all get numbers so the Valeyard has to be 12.5
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on May 23, 2016 20:59:34 GMT
The Valeyard doesn't need to be a pre-Capaldi Doctor. The Master says he's from between the Doctors Tweldfth and final incarnations. With the existence of War and two Tennant Doctors and the injection of extra regenerations, the Doctor's future and "body numbering" is messy.
We can be safe to assume that the "Captain Giggles" Master meets the twelfth Doctor one day and realises he isn't the Valeyard, and so goes "well, the Valeyard is obviously after him then!".
"When I was told the Master was here, I was expecting the mad woman. Or the bald fellow. Not the camp one" "My dear Doctor, I exist to confound you hehehe"
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Post by Digi on May 24, 2016 1:36:49 GMT
By that reasoning, Tennant is both 11 and 12, then the Valeyard, then Matt Smith as 13, and Capaldi as 14. Just because it's a regeneration of the same individual doesn't make it the xth incarnation of the individual's name. Hurt's "War Doctor" swore off the name and got mad at anyone who called him the Doctor. He was not the Doctor, 9th or otherwise. Likewise Tennant is the 10th individual in his lifetime to identify himself as the Doctor, not the 11th and 12th. And the Valeyard clearly did not ID himself as the Doctor, so giving him a number is just silly. Which is to say nothing of the fact that the "somewhere between his 12th and final incarnations" line was written when there was zero expectation that the show would run long enough for on-screen events to contradict the dialogue. With the Valeyard, all we can reasonably assume is that he's an incarnation between his second-to-last and final incarnations. My spreadsheet doesn't work if they don't all get numbers so the Valeyard has to be 12.5 Add rows, subtract rows, merge cells...you can do whatever you need to show that spreadsheet who's boss!
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Post by Tim Bradley on May 24, 2016 7:02:32 GMT
I'd say that The Curator is a version of the Fourth Doctor from an alternative timeline rather than an actual Doctor. After all, who's to say that Merlin is a version of the Seventh Doctor from an alternative timeline? Tim.
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Post by Digi on May 24, 2016 7:28:54 GMT
Personally my takeaway and preferred read of it was that, for his retirement, the Doctor was somehow able to bring back his old face and persona, to live out his final days as his favourite version of himself. So it was a sweet little love letter to the Doctor (getting his Happily Ever After), as well as to Tom Baker being that best version of the Doctor. A little 'made you smile!' at the end of it all But this is wildly off-track...all I was doing was playing with a spreadsheet to lay out the Doctor's incarnations vs his actual regenerative lives!
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on May 24, 2016 7:37:23 GMT
The Curator does make a reference to the Doctor wearing a few old favourites, suggesting he's a future Doctor. It also explains why the eleventh and twlelfth Doctors DESPITE being told Gsllifrey still exists doesn't know if it still exists.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on May 24, 2016 14:50:44 GMT
We can be safe to assume that the "Captain Giggles" Master meets the twelfth Doctor one day and realises he isn't the Valeyard, and so goes "well, the Valeyard is obviously after him then!". "When I was told the Master was here, I was expecting the mad woman. Or the bald fellow. Not the camp one" "My dear Doctor, I exist to confound you hehehe" I actually want to see that in a Titan Comic now as a one-off special between arc's
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Post by aztec on Aug 3, 2016 14:09:36 GMT
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Post by aztec on Jan 2, 2017 15:47:03 GMT
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