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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2016 11:11:28 GMT
Yeah, he's not overly fond of it, the poor man had to wear it for two and a half years. I actually like it too. It's not suitable for every story certainly, but it has a distinctiveness to it that's altogether rather charming. If I have a choice though, I'd definitely take his more sedate blue coat over it any day of the week. Of course, wearing it means you don't have to look at it Ah, I see you have also bought the DVDs.
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Post by Ela on Apr 5, 2016 18:58:44 GMT
I mean, he's definitely a proto-Master, but he's not a carbon-copy of the character, and I see no particular benefit in merging the two. If nothing else, the sort of rivalry the Doctor and the Master have is not in evidence between the Doctor and the War Chief. And if we're going to get pedantic, the Master has a TARDIS, something the War Chief conspicuously lacked... We don't know he didn't have a TARDIS and even if he didn't, there were plenty of SIDRATs around Cheers Tony According to some of the Doctor Who novels, the Master and the War Chief were two separate individuals. I've seen a few references around the web, but here's one that discusses it: tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Deca
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Post by seeley on Apr 5, 2016 20:43:13 GMT
I mean, he's definitely a proto-Master, but he's not a carbon-copy of the character, and I see no particular benefit in merging the two. If nothing else, the sort of rivalry the Doctor and the Master have is not in evidence between the Doctor and the War Chief. And if we're going to get pedantic, the Master has a TARDIS, something the War Chief conspicuously lacked... We don't know he didn't have a TARDIS and even if he didn't, there were plenty of SIDRATs around Cheers Tony A significant part of the plot hinges on him not having one, and SIDRATs have a limited lifespan.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Apr 5, 2016 21:59:44 GMT
Maybe he's being devious, use the Doctor's TARDIS while you've squirrelled away your own TARDIS elsewhere.
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Post by jasonward on Apr 6, 2016 0:40:52 GMT
Odd theory-The Seventh Doctor, with his manipulations, went back and changed his past so that he would remember the events of Day of the Doctor. This was right when he first got Ace, and lead to the emerging of his manipulative personally. Then when he regenerated, the timeline corrected itself, and so 8 had no memory of it. Why? What I mean is, to what effect? As of this moment, I don't see that it matters one way or the other... what does your theory add?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2016 0:59:20 GMT
A significant part of the plot hinges on him not having one, and SIDRATs have a limited lifespan. Maybe he's being devious, use the Doctor's TARDIS while you've squirrelled away your own TARDIS elsewhere. It's certainly possible. The Cybermen kept the Doctor alive in cold storage on Telos rather than outright converting him because they needed a hostage to prevent the Time Lords from dismantling their operation from afar. Perhaps he suspected that travelling under an assumed identity would help to place a barrier between him and his seemingly ubiquitous opponents. Once the Doctor's TARDIS was impounded, he could simply build a Stattenheim remote control and summon his own TARDIS from afar. From memory, you can't graduate from the Academy without one.
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Post by icecreamdf on Apr 6, 2016 1:16:18 GMT
A significant part of the plot hinges on him not having one, and SIDRATs have a limited lifespan. Maybe he's being devious, use the Doctor's TARDIS while you've squirrelled away your own TARDIS elsewhere. It's certainly possible. The Cybermen kept the Doctor alive in cold storage on Telos rather than outright converting him because they needed a hostage to prevent the Time Lords from dismantling their operation from afar. Perhaps he suspected that travelling under an assumed identity would help to place a barrier between him and his seemingly ubiquitous opponents. Once the Doctor's TARDIS was impounded, he could simply build a Stattenheim remote control and summon his own TARDIS from afar. From memory, you can't graduate from the Academy without one. Didn't The War Games suggest that it was impossible to pilot a TARDIS by remote control without reducing the lifespan of the TARDIS? Obviously, the writers changed their minds by the Sixth Doctor era (and by the end of The War Games), but it would still be weird for the War Chief to use a remote control to summon his TARDIS after his SIDRATS stopped working because they could be remote controlled.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2016 1:51:47 GMT
It's certainly possible. The Cybermen kept the Doctor alive in cold storage on Telos rather than outright converting him because they needed a hostage to prevent the Time Lords from dismantling their operation from afar. Perhaps he suspected that travelling under an assumed identity would help to place a barrier between him and his seemingly ubiquitous opponents. Once the Doctor's TARDIS was impounded, he could simply build a Stattenheim remote control and summon his own TARDIS from afar. From memory, you can't graduate from the Academy without one. Didn't The War Games suggest that it was impossible to pilot a TARDIS by remote control without reducing the lifespan of the TARDIS? Obviously, the writers changed their minds by the Sixth Doctor era (and by the end of The War Games), but it would still be weird for the War Chief to use a remote control to summon his TARDIS after his SIDRATS stopped working because they could be remote controlled. I thought that was something to do with reducing the lifespan of a capsule's drive components like the Zeiton-7 crystals, Artron energy output or fluid link? Otherwise, the Doctor's TARDIS would have had her lifespan halved as soon as it dematerialised in Colony in Space.
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Post by acousticwolf on Apr 6, 2016 8:03:06 GMT
It's been a while since I watched it and forgot about the limited lifespan, thanks for reminding me . However, Any self respecting Megalomaniac would not advertise the fact that he had a Tardis stashed away (in case he needed a quick getaway) and would rather use someone else's in his plans. As for being killed. Yes, we saw him getting shot, but his body disappeared soon after and we know he was a time lord ... According to some of the Doctor Who novels, the Master and the War Chief were two separate individuals. I've seen a few references around the web, but here's one that discusses it: tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_DecaI haven't read the books but a lot of DW contradicts itself. Anyway, I'm not going to force anyone to agree with me (my name is not Magnus lol), but in my own head canon he fits as the Master . Cheers Tony
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2016 10:41:51 GMT
It's been a while since I watched it and forgot about the limited lifespan, thanks for reminding me . However, Any self respecting Megalomaniac would not advertise the fact that he had a Tardis stashed away (in case he needed a quick getaway) and would rather use someone else's in his plans. As for being killed. Yes, we saw him getting shot, but his body disappeared soon after and we know he was a time lord ... According to some of the Doctor Who novels, the Master and the War Chief were two separate individuals. I've seen a few references around the web, but here's one that discusses it: tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_DecaI haven't read the books but a lot of DW contradicts itself. Anyway, I'm not going to force anyone to agree with me (my name is not Magnus lol), but in my own head canon he fits as the Master . Cheers Tony Speaking of, does anybody have any wild theories about Season 6b tucked away into a corner of their head canon? Mine was that Jamie was abducted shortly after The Glorious Revolution for The Two Doctors (the novelisation features a wonderfully evocative prologue set in a misty lilac garden) and was programmed by the Time Lords to become feral once his "handler" (i.e. the Doctor) disappeared for an extended period of time.
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Post by The Matt on Apr 6, 2016 14:51:39 GMT
Evelyn isn't really a very good companion....
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Post by acousticwolf on Apr 6, 2016 14:55:53 GMT
Evelyn isn't really a very good companion....
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Apr 6, 2016 14:59:26 GMT
Evelyn isn't really a very good companion.... Your profile pic makes it look like your brain is going "What did i just say? lmao
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Post by mark687 on Apr 6, 2016 15:11:51 GMT
Evelyn isn't really a very good companion.... State your case if you don't mind.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2016 16:12:41 GMT
I'm not bothered by the shift in the protrayl of The Doctor's character from the Pertwee era onwards and don't feel for later writers through Big Finish and the revival to justify it. I love both the Hartnell and Troughton eras, but the shift in The Doctor's charcistation to an near immortal alien who has tranversed space and time for centuries and is hopeful for humanity and intelligient life in general forms the mould for his character for most of the show and I'm fine with it. There are two dispirate timelines with a shared individual called The Doctor whose history line up.
I'm not sure how controverisal it is, but I absousetly hate The Doctor killing The Castalin in Hell Bent. It is murder, because that incarnation died, but the episode doesn't reflect it as such.
I'm still bothered by The Widow's Assassin and feel that Peri was betrayed as a character. Yes, she stuck by Six, but I think anyone would have left after Mindwarp and never looked back. Loyalty only extends so far. I waited so long for their reuioun and the fallout from it, particularly since Big Finish does characterisation so well and I was left disappointed. It's a great story, but still.
While I think the Time War is beautifully written and I love the RTD era, I really don't like the Doctor as an angry blood soaken war veteran who needs to reconnect with his 'humanity'. It's not the character I fell in love with as a kid or related to and while it was done with the best of intenions (RTD didn't want to have a man speaking over a woman and wanted The Doctor and Rose to be equal partners). As a result, I have to see the revival as an alterante timeline (although a very enjoyable one) and to an extent, it's own show. I actually think kids and younger and new fans have been robbed of a very important character.
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Post by mrperson on Apr 6, 2016 20:45:09 GMT
I'm not sure how controverisal it is, but I absousetly hate The Doctor killing The Castalin in Hell Bent. It is murder, because that incarnation died, but the episode doesn't reflect it as such. It also didn't seem necessary to leaving the room. Seemed to be inserted solely for shock value. I didn't like it either.
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Post by mrperson on Apr 6, 2016 20:56:25 GMT
I generally strongly disliked Clara. She annoyed me regularly; seemed to be obnoxiously self-satisfied in a chipper way, and spent season 8 treating an alien with a time machine like a taxi service.
Moreover, I couldn't stand how Moffat had to write the Doctor as essentially obsessed with her by the end. Hated the efforts to make her some kind of extra special super-companion.
What I'd have preferred to see is her having been a different and limited character: that he first encounters her in Asylum, picks up and travels with 18th century Clara, and eventually she is captured by the daleks and turned into a mutant as part of their experiments.... the "Clara" from Asylum. I mean, Moffat killed her anyway, so this wouldn't exactly be that much more bitter. I would have found it a lot more satisfying than contriving a "mystery girl" because he just has to have a season arc, then having the Doctor pining after her despite the fact that she had to be the least respectful companion yet. This would have also meant that the return of Gallifrey would have been about Gallifrey, not bloody Clara.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2016 22:26:26 GMT
I generally strongly disliked Clara. She annoyed me regularly; seemed to be obnoxiously self-satisfied in a chipper way, and spent season 8 treating an alien with a time machine like a taxi service. Moreover, I couldn't stand how Moffat had to write the Doctor as essentially obsessed with her by the end. Hated the efforts to make her some kind of extra special super-companion. What I'd have preferred to see is her having been a different and limited character: that he first encounters her in Asylum, picks up and travels with 18th century Clara, and eventually she is captured by the daleks and turned into a mutant as part of their experiments.... the "Clara" from Asylum. I mean, Moffat killed her anyway, so this wouldn't exactly be that much more bitter. I would have found it a lot more satisfying than contriving a "mystery girl" because he just has to have a season arc, then having the Doctor pining after her despite the fact that she had to be the least respectful companion yet. This would have also meant that the return of Gallifrey would have been about Gallifrey, not bloody Clara. You're not the only one. It's strange, but for me the Moffat era has this strange adherence to formula while still trying to innovate, so you get inventive and unique ideas with very humdrum executions or stories that are simply abandoned completely. How that affected Clara was that they had this really interesting eighteenth-century version of her lined up, ready to go, until someone came breezing through the office and said: "No, the companion has to be from the modern day." Ian and Barbara were from the modern day, Jo Grant was from the modern day, hell Brigadier Bambera was from the modern day and I feel more of a connection with them than I do with the sociopathic, smug and selfish woman who the Doctor eventually became utterly fixated on (much to the character's detriment actually). I remember coming away from Dark Water thinking that their relationship had crossed the line into genuinely abusive, especially by the time of his regeneration where they went into that weird: "I'm not your boyfriend" area. Any incarnation of the Doctor would have put their foot down long before then, in fact the slap in Into the Dalek would have put her immediately off the ship, no question. Jenna Coleman is a fine actress, but the character she was saddled with was just a genuinely awful human being.
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Post by Tony Jones on Apr 7, 2016 4:24:53 GMT
I'm not sure how controverisal it is, but I absousetly hate The Doctor killing The Castalin in Hell Bent. It is murder, because that incarnation died, but the episode doesn't reflect it as such. It also didn't seem necessary to leaving the room. Seemed to be inserted solely for shock value. I didn't like it either. Yes, even with all he seems to remember from Heaven Sent why kill this one character then not seem phased by it at all. I more didn't like Ashildr being presented as the only immortal making it until the end of time. All this from one relatively common bit of alien tech?
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Apr 7, 2016 4:39:17 GMT
We don't k ow how she got to the end of time, she says it was the long way, but for all we know the Time Lords brought her there just to mess with the Doctor.
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