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Post by J.A. Prentice on Dec 17, 2019 6:42:10 GMT
Well the Doctor was Merlin at some point so Mayhaps this fellow who met the Fourth and Fifth Doctors during the Millennium Wars. That reminds me, actually. I'm not sure if I've ever mentioned this theory before (maybe I have, it's been a while), but based on Ancelyn's immediate recognition of the Doctor in Battlefield, I reckon Merlin is a title held by a small handful of incarnations rather than any one life. I like the idea that Merlin emerged from a Doctor who felt that he'd seen everything in his native N-Space and wanted to travel further abroad. I imagine his visits (and later his stay) in Arthur's dimension will be a fairly long and comprehensive one. They tend to have an odd reputation among other incarnations. Almost like eccentric relatives (i.e. the grandma with the motorcycle). I like that idea – and I'm quite attached to the notion of the Ninth Doctor being one of those incarnations. Merlin, in some of the earliest sources, is someone who went mad after the loss of his lord in battle and comes from the fallen kingdom... of the north. It's almost a match after a centuries-long (and dimensions-wide) game of telephone...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 7:54:40 GMT
Mayhaps this fellow who met the Fourth and Fifth Doctors during the Millennium Wars. That reminds me, actually. I'm not sure if I've ever mentioned this theory before (maybe I have, it's been a while), but based on Ancelyn's immediate recognition of the Doctor in Battlefield, I reckon Merlin is a title held by a small handful of incarnations rather than any one life. I like the idea that Merlin emerged from a Doctor who felt that he'd seen everything in his native N-Space and wanted to travel further abroad. I imagine his visits (and later his stay) in Arthur's dimension will be a fairly long and comprehensive one. They tend to have an odd reputation among other incarnations. Almost like eccentric relatives (i.e. the grandma with the motorcycle). I like that idea – and I'm quite attached to the notion of the Ninth Doctor being one of those incarnations. Merlin, in some of the earliest sources, is someone who went mad after the loss of his lord in battle and comes from the fallen kingdom... of the north. It's almost a match after a centuries-long (and dimensions-wide) game of telephone... Oh, that's far, far too good not to be true. I'm adding that to my headcanon now. This is probably terribly controversial (I guess this is the right place for it😄) but I kind of ship Peri and five/Sixie in a platonic asexual romantic way similar to Clara and 11/12. I know it’s frowned upon to ship classic Doctors and companions but I have started to see parallels between these two Doctor/Companion pairings and now I can’t unsee it🤔❤️ Anyone else share my weird ship? I can't remember where, but I do recall Peri mentioning that she had a kinda-sorta crush on Five at one point. "Like a student has on a high school teacher," was I think how she described it. I can definitely see it. This is just me, but by the time of the Sixth Doctor, I think she's been with him long enough to outgrow it and develop an extremely close friendship instead. The kind where eventually you can have an entire private conversation, in the midst of another much more public conversation, using nothing but facial expressions.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 14:00:53 GMT
This article reminds us what a lovely, funny, self-deprecating person Karen Gillan is. It also reminds me what a petulant, pouting, sulky, patronising character Amy was most of the time (although she mellowed toward the end). I watched Vampires of Venice to see if my memory of Amy was too harsh. Not at all. I'd just add 'smug' to the list of her characteristics. However, her acting wasn't the main problem. I love Steven Moffat and his stories, but when you write the Doctor's companion in such an abrasive way, and bizarrely have her try to have sex with the Doctor on the eve of her wedding, I personally found it extremely difficult to warm to her.
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Post by timegirl on Dec 17, 2019 14:12:44 GMT
Mayhaps this fellow who met the Fourth and Fifth Doctors during the Millennium Wars. That reminds me, actually. I'm not sure if I've ever mentioned this theory before (maybe I have, it's been a while), but based on Ancelyn's immediate recognition of the Doctor in Battlefield, I reckon Merlin is a title held by a small handful of incarnations rather than any one life. I like the idea that Merlin emerged from a Doctor who felt that he'd seen everything in his native N-Space and wanted to travel further abroad. I imagine his visits (and later his stay) in Arthur's dimension will be a fairly long and comprehensive one. They tend to have an odd reputation among other incarnations. Almost like eccentric relatives (i.e. the grandma with the motorcycle). I like that idea – and I'm quite attached to the notion of the Ninth Doctor being one of those incarnations. Merlin, in some of the earliest sources, is someone who went mad after the loss of his lord in battle and comes from the fallen kingdom... of the north. It's almost a match after a centuries-long (and dimensions-wide) game of telephone... That’s an amazing theory! If Eccleston ever does Big Finish I now want a box set of 9 as Merlin in Camelot 😀
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 21:54:29 GMT
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Post by Superium on Jan 4, 2020 2:51:39 GMT
I keep seeing comments on Akinola's score such as "Nowhere near as good as Gold" and "He's no Gold, that's for sure." If I'm honest, Murray Gold wasn't a great fit for the show. Earlier in this thread, I mentioned that Gold only really worked in the RTD era. Some months later, I don't even like his music there either. I mean, if you're a fan of overly bombastic score that overpowers a scene and is emotionally manipulative instead of a calmer, ambient score that helps a scene, all power to you.
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Post by timegirl on Jan 7, 2020 1:44:51 GMT
I do really like Jodie’s portrayal of 13 and I think the incarnation has a lot of good qualities BUT having said that I am feeling more and more that she is not honoring 12’s last words of “never be cruel”, “never be cowardly” “always be kind” 🤔 Moments like letting the spiders suffocate to death in “Arachnids in the Uk”, her letting the workers continue to get mistreated in “Kerblam”; but especially multiple moments of “ Skyfall: Part Two” like manipulating the Master in Paris and outing him to the Nazis and mind wiping Ava and Noor. I feel like 13 is on the path to become the modern era equivalent to 7. Both are short seemingly happy, lighthearted and silly but who are hiding much darker, mysterious and manipulative chess master tendencies. It seems as though both her and the current master have regressed from the extensive character development 12 and Missy went through. If 13 continues down this path of becoming a dark chess master, by the 60th anniversary (where hopefully there are multiple Doctors) 12 would probably be quite disappointed in her not being as kind as she should, and probably give her an epic lecture on the subject of kindness🤔
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Post by shutupbanks on Jan 7, 2020 3:13:41 GMT
I do really like Jodie’s portrayal of 13 and I think the incarnation has a lot of good qualities BUT having said that I am feeling more and more that she is not honoring 12’s last words of “never be cruel”, “never be cowardly” “always be kind” 🤔 Moments like letting the spiders suffocate to death in “Arachnids in the Uk”, her letting the workers continue to get mistreated in “Kerblam”; but especially multiple moments of “ Skyfall: Part Two” like manipulating the Master in Paris and outing him to the Nazis and mind wiping Ava and Noor. I feel like 13 is on the path to become the modern era equivalent to 7. Both are short seemingly happy, lighthearted and silly but who are hiding much darker, mysterious and manipulative chess master tendencies. It seems as though both her and the current master have regressed from the extensive character development 12 and Missy went through. If 13 continues down this path of becoming a dark chess master, by the 60th anniversary (where hopefully there are multiple Doctors) 12 would probably be quite disappointed in her not being as kind as she should, and probably give her an epic lecture on the subject of kindness🤔 I can give her a pass on outing the Master to the Nazis: just a few hours previously (in 1834) he had murdered 3 innocent bystanders for no reason at all and he’d tried to kill her and her companions, as well as murdering the original O. Handing him over to the Nazis (“a new low, even for you”) rather than killing him outright seems in character, to me. As to wiping the minds of Ada and Noor, she was doing it to protect the timelines more than anything else because she knew that they were important and couldn’t have them creating anachronisms. She knows the heartache involved in doing this (Bill, Clara) but couldn’t stay to ensure that history was maintained. She’s making tough decisions but not being cruel.
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Post by tuigirl on Jan 7, 2020 18:45:14 GMT
I do really like Jodie’s portrayal of 13 and I think the incarnation has a lot of good qualities BUT having said that I am feeling more and more that she is not honoring 12’s last words of “never be cruel”, “never be cowardly” “always be kind” 🤔 Moments like letting the spiders suffocate to death in “Arachnids in the Uk”, her letting the workers continue to get mistreated in “Kerblam”; but especially multiple moments of “ Skyfall: Part Two” like manipulating the Master in Paris and outing him to the Nazis and mind wiping Ava and Noor. I feel like 13 is on the path to become the modern era equivalent to 7. Both are short seemingly happy, lighthearted and silly but who are hiding much darker, mysterious and manipulative chess master tendencies. It seems as though both her and the current master have regressed from the extensive character development 12 and Missy went through. If 13 continues down this path of becoming a dark chess master, by the 60th anniversary (where hopefully there are multiple Doctors) 12 would probably be quite disappointed in her not being as kind as she should, and probably give her an epic lecture on the subject of kindness🤔 I can give her a pass on outing the Master to the Nazis: just a few hours previously (in 1834) he had murdered 3 innocent bystanders for no reason at all and he’d tried to kill her and her companions, as well as murdering the original O. Handing him over to the Nazis (“a new low, even for you”) rather than killing him outright seems in character, to me. As to wiping the minds of Ada and Noor, she was doing it to protect the timelines more than anything else because she knew that they were important and couldn’t have them creating anachronisms. She knows the heartache involved in doing this (Bill, Clara) but couldn’t stay to ensure that history was maintained. She’s making tough decisions but not being cruel. I think I have to agree with shutupbanks on this one.
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Post by timegirl on Jan 7, 2020 20:34:24 GMT
I can give her a pass on outing the Master to the Nazis: just a few hours previously (in 1834) he had murdered 3 innocent bystanders for no reason at all and he’d tried to kill her and her companions, as well as murdering the original O. Handing him over to the Nazis (“a new low, even for you”) rather than killing him outright seems in character, to me. As to wiping the minds of Ada and Noor, she was doing it to protect the timelines more than anything else because she knew that they were important and couldn’t have them creating anachronisms. She knows the heartache involved in doing this (Bill, Clara) but couldn’t stay to ensure that history was maintained. She’s making tough decisions but not being cruel. I think I have to agree with shutupbanks on this one. I am beginning to also see shutupbanks’s point as well, but I do still see some of 7’s chess master tendencies in 13🤔
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Post by tuigirl on Jan 7, 2020 20:59:57 GMT
I think I have to agree with shutupbanks on this one. I am beginning to also see shutupbanks’s point as well, but I do still see some of 7’s chess master tendencies in 13🤔 Yes and I think it is brilliant. Dark Who stories are my favorite. I love the Doctor go a bit more into the moral grey areas, so I see this as a good thing. As long as it does not slip into 10th Doctor vengeful angel territory, I think this will be great. Season 11 was too sterile for me, too much bubblegum and rainbows and bright colors. We all know that the night follows even the brightest day. I do not know if you have listened to Caerdroia- it basically shows different aspects of the Doctors personality. I fell in love with the Dark and nasty Doctor who even goes as far as torture to achieve his goals. Bubbly Tigger was not my cup of tea at all...
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Post by timegirl on Jan 7, 2020 21:20:41 GMT
I am beginning to also see shutupbanks’s point as well, but I do still see some of 7’s chess master tendencies in 13🤔 Yes and I think it is brilliant. Dark Who stories are my favorite. I love the Doctor go a bit more into the moral grey areas, so I see this as a good thing. As long as it does not slip into 10th Doctor vengeful angel territory, I think this will be great. Season 11 was too sterile for me, too much bubblegum and rainbows and bright colors. We all know that the night follows even the brightest day. I do not know if you have listened to Caerdroia- it basically shows different aspects of the Doctors personality. I fell in love with the Dark and nasty Doctor who even goes as far as torture to achieve his goals. Bubbly Tigger was not my cup of tea at all... Ooh haven’t listened to Caerdroia yet, but will definitely give it a try😊 I love darker Doctors too! I think some of the most interesting Doctor Who stories are ones that really push and test the Doctor to their limit with inner conflict . I love it when the Doctor shows that they are not perfect, and has their flaws on display! On a side note maybe that’s one of the reasons I love 12 so much🤔😉
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Post by shutupbanks on Jan 8, 2020 1:09:51 GMT
I think I have to agree with shutupbanks on this one. I am beginning to also see shutupbanks’s point as well, but I do still see some of 7’s chess master tendencies in 13🤔 I really enjoyed last season’s “kinder, gentler” Doctor, but I love seeing a hint of steel as well. Not necessarily a chess-player (I prefer my Doctor to wander into things rather than seeking them out but variety is the spice if life) but someone who can make difficult choices and live with them.
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Post by tuigirl on Jan 8, 2020 7:15:11 GMT
Yes and I think it is brilliant. Dark Who stories are my favorite. I love the Doctor go a bit more into the moral grey areas, so I see this as a good thing. As long as it does not slip into 10th Doctor vengeful angel territory, I think this will be great. Season 11 was too sterile for me, too much bubblegum and rainbows and bright colors. We all know that the night follows even the brightest day. I do not know if you have listened to Caerdroia- it basically shows different aspects of the Doctors personality. I fell in love with the Dark and nasty Doctor who even goes as far as torture to achieve his goals. Bubbly Tigger was not my cup of tea at all... Ooh haven’t listened to Caerdroia yet, but will definitely give it a try😊 I love darker Doctors too! I think some of the most interesting Doctor Who stories are ones that really push and test the Doctor to their limit with inner conflict . I love it when the Doctor shows that they are not perfect, and has their flaws on display! On a side note maybe that’s one of the reasons I love 12 so much🤔😉 Haha, then you might really enjoy Caerdroia. One of the best performances by McGann, too. He is amazing in making the different Doctors distinct and you can tell them apart by a single word alone.
Yeah, 12 is also my favorite TV Doctor. For the same reason.
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Post by timegirl on Jan 17, 2020 21:17:35 GMT
I believe everything in Doctor Who is canon including all expanded media, even if it’s contradictory, because there multiple time lines ( if it isn’t true in one timeline it is in another😉) and it’s all wrapped up in a ball wibley wobbled timey wimey stuff!
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Post by tuigirl on Jan 24, 2020 23:30:21 GMT
Does anyone else have this weird desire to mess with the Doctors ages?😳 ( Especially temporarily making older incarnations of the Doctors younger😉) come on I can’t be the only one😄😉 Well, we all have our pet niches.... I personally think that the change between 11 and 12 was exactly the point that was to be made. In my very personal opinion, taking that away and making 12 younger would detract from the impact it had. I also do not think the Doctor has any real concept of age, this is why he never can tell people’s ages. He might also not feel the age of his body as we do. So he might not even know what you are talking about if you were to ask him. I also think any romantic feelings between Doctor and companion should be very restrained. I never was a fan of 10 and Rose. It just felt wrong. I think the only story this is handled right is in BFs Scherzo. This story is great in demonstrating the futility of loving the Doctor. He just has a completely different concept of love and is unable to acknowledge or even process it. It scares him. I love Scherzo. It is wonderfully done, with deep raw emotion and completely believable performances. But that is just my personal thoughts on the matter.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 6:11:05 GMT
Odd, but nonetheless fun: I think the time crystals we see in stories like Timelash and The Time Monster form on the threshold of portals linking normal spacetime with the vortex. Existing as a sort of... rust, almost. A coating of regular dimensions mangled by time winds and other forces.
In the Faction Paradox stories, there's a place at the centre of Gallifrey referred to as the Caldera. It's a no-place that was punched through our universe to create the first time travel machines. Through it travelled the Yssgaroth that created vampires with their corroding taint, which sounds a lot like Qqaba, the star that Rassilon destroyed and became the Eye of Harmony. A caldera is how you describe the formation left after an erupted volcano, which makes me wonder -- does Gallifrey have "hydrotemporal vents" in the same way we have "hydrothermal vents"? Pockets of energy created by the black hole that leak through the crust of the planet as a pseudo-natural event?
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Post by tuigirl on Jan 25, 2020 10:04:03 GMT
Well, we all have our pet niches.... I personally think that the change between 11 and 12 was exactly the point that was to be made. In my very personal opinion, taking that away and making 12 younger would detract from the impact it had. I also do not think the Doctor has any real concept of age, this is why he never can tell people’s ages. He might also not feel the age of his body as we do. So he might not even know what you are talking about if you were to ask him. I also think any romantic feelings between Doctor and companion should be very restrained. I never was a fan of 10 and Rose. It just felt wrong. I think the only story this is handled right is in BFs Scherzo. This story is great in demonstrating the futility of loving the Doctor. He just has a completely different concept of love and is unable to acknowledge or even process it. It scares him. I love Scherzo. It is wonderfully done, with deep raw emotion and completely believable performances. But that is just my personal thoughts on the matter. I see your point, I do, but the other point of my story idea is to deconstruct others perception of the 12th Doctor himself, as a sort of criticism against real world ageism both his character and Peter himself faced, even if he is not totally aware ( at least at first) of a physical change himself others perception of him would shift , and he would perceive a difference of attitude towards him. I do feel like there is evidence that 12 does have age related insecurities even if he may not perceive age the same as humans. For example in Deep Breath, how he mentions how his new face is covered in lines, and how during the end he says how he feels like Clara doesn’t even see him. There is also the infamous I am not your boyfriend scene which I think has a lot to do with ( not just this I know but a lot) self defeatist attitude at not being Clara’s dashing young man any more. There are more example is during The Caretaker, he is flattered, sad and a bit wistful when he thinks Clara is dating a coworker who looks like his eleventh incarnation. There is also the scene where Danny calls him Clara’s space dad and you can tell 12 does not like that. I feel like even if 12 cares the least about what other people think he does care a lot about what Clara thinks and although it is subtle there Is a definite romantic side to their relationship. I would like this story to be a sequel of sorts to Last Christmas ( after they get back together both as companions and romantically) set during New Years where what triggers the plot is 12 thinking about what Clara said about him being the only other man she would ever want to marry but how he was “impossible“ and wanting (as New Years resolution) to be more possible to Clara, thinking he could make it work better between them if he was able to age at the same rate she was and experience the same emotional level as her. Also I think it would be a good reversal of Deep Breath to have Clara to prefer 12 as regular older self (even actively trying to get him change back) over a younger idealized version. I also have possible added twist in mind that he hadn’t just deaged but was also ( and this is different from the way the chameleon arch work and the episode ’Human Nature’) gradually and slowly and painfully becoming human, therefore as a side effect shifting his mental perception, and making him perceive things differently than before. I This story idea is not just about him becoming younger but a meta commentary on ageism, perception, as well as what would happen if one of the most alien incarnations of the Doctor experienced human emotions foreign to him. I also have an idea for tying in the origin of 12’s series 9 electric guitar playing side.( This is set between Last Christmas and series 9) during this period of 12 becoming younger ( and gradually becoming more human) in a meta twist 12 basically becomes Peter as a young man during the period he has talked about in many interviews when he burned his Doctor Who memorabilia and became a punk rock singer. As a meta representation of this in the story would feature a newly youthful 12 emerging from a rejuvenation machine on fire at first and then later on have him learn to play the electric guitar and then as he became more human even becoming the lead singer of a punk band, which starts out well but then he looses himself, and Clara and Missy would have to force themselves to bring him back to himself, and remind him that he is the Doctor and convince him to change back. This story idea may not be everyone’s cup of tea ( and that’s okay😉) but I feel passionate about it!😊 Side note: I love Sherzo too!😊 Well, I admit it is very imaginative and you really put a lot of thought into the idea. It really would depend on the execution if a story like this would work or not. For one, it would have to convince skeptics like me.... but I am a total Moffatt fan, and I really love what he did and how he plotted the whole thing, so changing the status quo would always be hard for me.
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Post by timegirl on Jan 27, 2020 14:31:04 GMT
RuthDoctor is the incarnation 2 regenerated into when the Doctor was performing missions for the Timelords, in a later appearance we will see RuthDoctor regenerate into 3 who will played by Sean Pertwee.
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Post by timegirl on Jan 27, 2020 19:51:09 GMT
I absolutely love Captain Jack on Doctor Who, but have never watched Torchwood, because of hearing of how up and down the quality is. Should I give it a try?🤔
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