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Post by Tim Bradley on Apr 28, 2016 7:53:27 GMT
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Apr 28, 2016 12:44:44 GMT
Glad you were able to do this. Now i finally know where UNIT:Dominion fits around the Dark Eyes saga
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Post by Whovitt on Apr 28, 2016 13:59:27 GMT
Glad you were able to do this. Now i finally know where UNIT:Dominion fits around the Dark Eyes saga I could be wrong (I haven't listened to Dark Eyes in about a year) but doesn't the Master refer to having met the Doctor before by describing the 7th Doctor in Eyes of the Master? I think he says something along the lines of '...having preferred that incarnation [of the Doctor]'. I had assumed, having not heard UNIT: Dominion yet (and still haven't, though it's on the 'to-listen-to' list), it would also explain how the 8th Doctor knew that this person was the Master (as I also got the impression he had met this incarnation of the Master before too). But, like I said, it's been a year, so I'll quite happily have someone correct me if I'm wrong
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Post by Tim Bradley on Apr 28, 2016 14:07:29 GMT
Glad you were able to do this. Now i finally know where UNIT:Dominion fits around the Dark Eyes saga I could be wrong (I haven't listened to Dark Eyes in about a year) but doesn't the Master refer to having met the Doctor before by describing the 7th Doctor in Eyes of the Master? I think he says something along the lines of '...having preferred that incarnation [of the Doctor]'. I had assumed, having not heard UNIT: Dominion yet (and still haven't, though it's on the 'to-listen-to' list), it would also explain how the 8th Doctor knew that this person was the Master (as I also got the impression he had met this incarnation of the Master before too). But, like I said, it's been a year, so I'll quite happily have someone correct me if I'm wrong Maybe it gests answered in 'The Two Masters'.
Maybe 'Two Masters' takes place before 'U.N.I.T.: Dominion' from the Master's point-of-view.
It's a guess. We'll have to find out.
Tim.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 15:55:33 GMT
Glad you were able to do this. Now i finally know where UNIT:Dominion fits around the Dark Eyes saga I could be wrong (I haven't listened to Dark Eyes in about a year) but doesn't the Master refer to having met the Doctor before by describing the 7th Doctor in Eyes of the Master? I think he says something along the lines of '...having preferred that incarnation [of the Doctor]'. I had assumed, having not heard UNIT: Dominion yet (and still haven't, though it's on the 'to-listen-to' list), it would also explain how the 8th Doctor knew that this person was the Master (as I also got the impression he had met this incarnation of the Master before too). But, like I said, it's been a year, so I'll quite happily have someone correct me if I'm wrong Yes, the implication is very strong that UNIT Dominion comes before Dark Eyes for the Master.
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Post by ois894 on Apr 28, 2016 20:14:57 GMT
15. The Female Master (Harvest of Time)
62. Harvest of Time (Book/Audio)
The Master in "Harvest of Time" is the Delgado version somewhere between "The Daemons" and "The Sea Devils" as the story begins and ends with him in captivity. You're probably getting the female Master from when {Spoiler}the Doctor and Master walk into a room containing all the Master's bodies, past and future. They look round and see one that looks like a politician (John Simm) as well as the female master you're thinking of.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Apr 28, 2016 20:27:40 GMT
15. The Female Master (Harvest of Time)
62. Harvest of Time (Book/Audio)
The Master in "Harvest of Time" is the Delgado version somewhere between "The Daemons" and "The Sea Devils" as the story begins and ends with him in captivity. You're probably getting the female Master from when {Spoiler}the Doctor and Master walk into a room containing all the Master's bodies, past and future. They look round and see one that looks like a politician (John Simm) as well as the female master you're thinking of. Thanks for this osi894. I'll amend this on this timeline. Tim.
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Post by CookieMaster on Apr 30, 2016 7:44:30 GMT
I think the latest Jago & Litefoot stories follow 'The Deadly Assassin' almost directly. He mentions breaking through the transduction barrier on Gallifrey (raised at the end of TDS) and tracking the Doctor to Victorian Earth. He just overshot by a few years. Its up to you though, tis your timeline
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Post by Tim Bradley on Apr 30, 2016 9:11:29 GMT
I think the latest Jago & Litefoot stories follow 'The Deadly Assassin' almost directly. He mentions breaking through the transduction barrier on Gallifrey (raised at the end of TDS) and tracking the Doctor to Victorian Earth. He just overshot by a few years. Its up to you though, tis your timeline Thanks CookieMaster. I'm not into the J&L stories yet as you are. So I'll take your word for it and place the J&L stories with the Master set after 'The Deadly Assassin' in my timeline. Many thanks. Tim.
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Post by CookieMaster on May 13, 2016 11:04:49 GMT
Might be worth squeezing in 'Vampire of the Mind' into MacQueen's section, it's almost certainly his earliest chronological story to date.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on May 13, 2016 11:13:15 GMT
I could be wrong (I haven't listened to Dark Eyes in about a year) but doesn't the Master refer to having met the Doctor before by describing the 7th Doctor in Eyes of the Master? I think he says something along the lines of '...having preferred that incarnation [of the Doctor]'. I had assumed, having not heard UNIT: Dominion yet (and still haven't, though it's on the 'to-listen-to' list), it would also explain how the 8th Doctor knew that this person was the Master (as I also got the impression he had met this incarnation of the Master before too). But, like I said, it's been a year, so I'll quite happily have someone correct me if I'm wrong Yes, the implication is very strong that UNIT Dominion comes before Dark Eyes for the Master. I thought the over way around, the Master is surprised thr Doctor recognises him.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 11:27:43 GMT
Yes, the implication is very strong that UNIT Dominion comes before Dark Eyes for the Master. I thought the over way around, the Master is surprised thr Doctor recognises him. Which would make sense if he doesn't realise this is a later incarnation of the Doctor. He is absolutely expecting to encounter the little one with the umbrella, and is surprised it's a different incarnation. I suppose it could be that it's before Dominion, and he ended up in the wrong place, but where did he get his knowledge of seven from in that scenario?
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on May 13, 2016 22:45:27 GMT
IIRC he calls him "the umbrella man" which is a phrase he learns from Klein.
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Post by Tim Bradley on May 14, 2016 7:39:24 GMT
Might be worth squeezing in 'Vampire of the Mind' into MacQueen's section, it's almost certainly his earliest chronological story to date. I have put 'Vampire of the Mind' into the Master's timeline. I assumed that since we're going through the Alex MacQueen Master through the order in which his BF audio appearances are released, it made sense to place 'Vampire of the Mind' and 'The Two Masters' as the latest stories after the 'Dark Eyes' series. Can someone correct me on that, please. I've not heard 'Vampire of the Mind' yet, as I'm waiting for all three stories of the Master trilogy to come out. But does the MacQueen really meet the Sixth Doctor before meeting Seven and Eight in his timeline? Tim.
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Post by CookieMaster on May 14, 2016 8:12:19 GMT
Might be worth squeezing in 'Vampire of the Mind' into MacQueen's section, it's almost certainly his earliest chronological story to date. I have put 'Vampire of the Mind' into the Master's timeline. I assumed that since we're going through the Alex MacQueen Master through the order in which his BF audio appearances are released, it made sense to place 'Vampire of the Mind' and 'The Two Masters' as the latest stories after the 'Dark Eyes' series. Can someone correct me on that, please. I've not heard 'Vampire of the Mind' yet, as I'm waiting for all three stories of the Master trilogy to come out. But does the MacQueen really meet the Sixth Doctor before meeting Seven and Eight in his timeline? Tim. Yeah honestly, I've heard the audio. It can't be anywhere else in his timeline really, and i'll give you three spoilery words (Don't read them if you want to stay spoiler free) {Spoiler} Post-regenerative trauma
I understand if you need confirmation of this
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Post by Tim Bradley on May 14, 2016 8:16:15 GMT
I have put 'Vampire of the Mind' into the Master's timeline. I assumed that since we're going through the Alex MacQueen Master through the order in which his BF audio appearances are released, it made sense to place 'Vampire of the Mind' and 'The Two Masters' as the latest stories after the 'Dark Eyes' series. Can someone correct me on that, please. I've not heard 'Vampire of the Mind' yet, as I'm waiting for all three stories of the Master trilogy to come out. But does the MacQueen really meet the Sixth Doctor before meeting Seven and Eight in his timeline? Tim. Yeah honestly, I've heard the audio. It can't be anywhere else in his timeline really, and i'll give you three spoilery words (Don't read them if you want to stay spoiler free) {Spoiler} Post-regenerative trauma
I understand if you need confirmation of this Okay thanks. I'll update this on the Master's timeline then. Tim.
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Post by Tim Bradley on May 14, 2016 8:18:36 GMT
IIRC he calls him "the umbrella man" which is a phrase he learns from Klein. Based on this info, I'm going to re-situate 'UNIT: Dominion' before 'Dark Eyes' for now. Thanks. Tim.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2016 11:33:00 GMT
IIRC he calls him "the umbrella man" which is a phrase he learns from Klein. Based on this info, I'm going to re-situate 'UNIT: Dominion' before 'Dark Eyes' for now. Thanks. Tim. But this is the problem. He learns the phrase "umbrella man" from Klein, in Dominion, and uses it in Dark Eyes. Yet his expectation that Eight won't recognise him suggests Dark Eyes is before Dominion. My guess is The Two Masters is going to be very Timey Wimey and since it will involve McQueen against Umbrella man it may determine the sequencing. For now, either interpretation has merits and issues.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 6:07:06 GMT
There's a neat little short story called "The Duke of Dominoes" by Marc Platt that features what appears to be the Delgado Master in the starring role that seems to take place towards the end of his life as the Fourth Doctor and Sarah make a cameo (albeit one in with neither party ever meet). H.P. Lovecraft also meets what I think is again the Delgado incarnation within a recently revived Silurian shelter in a story called "Masters of Terror" from memory.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on May 21, 2016 10:18:27 GMT
Where can i find those two short stories?
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