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Post by CookieMaster on Aug 12, 2016 10:09:50 GMT
'Outrun', 'The Then and the Now' and 'The Organ Grinder', thats issues 4,1 and 11 from year two and should be the order from the Master's perspective. For my money, it is supposed to be a young Jacobi but issues 12 and beyond could change all that.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Aug 12, 2016 10:53:49 GMT
'Outrun', 'The Then and the Now' and 'The Organ Grinder', thats issues 4,1 and 11 from year two and should be the order from the Master's perspective. For my money, it is supposed to be a young Jacobi but issues 12 and beyond could change all that. Thanks CookieMaster!
I've added these comic stories to the Master's timeline, as well as to the War Doctor's timeline.
Tim.
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Post by sailorhaumea on Jan 12, 2017 23:18:25 GMT
Can someone provide a list of all the short stories featuring the Master that were in charity anthologies, preferably in chronological order? I have Masters of Terror between Character Assassin and The Glen of Sleeping, At the Beach between Axos and Deadly Reunion, Old Scores between Freedom and The Man in the Iron Mask, The Doctor and the Witch between The Face of the Enemy and Harvest of Time, Mapp, Lucia, and the Lords of Time between Harvest of Time and The Sea Devils, and The Other Three Doctors after The Feast of the Stone. But what about the other charity short stories?
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Post by sailorhaumea on Jan 29, 2017 0:04:43 GMT
I strongly suggest you add the War Chief's appearances, because Timewyrm: Exodus gives us this:
Terrance Dicks tends to use those descriptions for Delgado...
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Post by icecreamdf on Jan 29, 2017 2:49:10 GMT
I strongly suggest you add the War Chief's appearances, because Timewyrm: Exodus gives us this: Terrance Dicks tends to use those descriptions for Delgado... That also works as a description of Brayshaw. The two look similar, but that doesn't mean they are the same person.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 3:35:04 GMT
I strongly suggest you add the War Chief's appearances, because Timewyrm: Exodus gives us this: Terrance Dicks tends to use those descriptions for Delgado... That also works as a description of Brayshaw. The two look similar, but that doesn't mean they are the same person. Well, if it's not part of the Master's timeline -- your mileage may vary, I'm always flipping backwards and forwards myself -- the War Chief's timeline would probably just be three or four entries. Flashback (original tale) The War Games Timewyrm: Exodus Flashback (framing story) He makes another appearance in the FASA roleplaying books in a completely different incarnation, commanding British tribesman set to lure the current Roman empire into a trap that will allow him to take over. The Legions of Death module itself is a bit contradictory. On the one hand, he's stated to be an incarnation of a Time Lord renegade that took on the identities of the Monk and the Master as well, an idea that fits what we know of the Doctor's own wildly diverging lives. On the other, he's stated to be a separate entity entirely who was working for the Master up until the events of The War Games and blames both him and the Doctor for his downfall. It doesn't really fit anywhere because of the flexibility of the format, but it adds some nice colour to possible head-canons.
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Post by sailorhaumea on Jan 29, 2017 4:15:08 GMT
My headcanon is this:
The War Chief and the Master are the same individual, but the Monk is a different Time Lord. The Delgado incarnation did help the Brayshaw incarnation - but concealed his identity by claiming to be Mortimus. When his past self figures out who "Mortimus" really is, the Master ditches him. He remembers this happening to his younger self, and realizes his efforts to change the outcome of the War Games are always going to fail.
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Post by CookieMaster on Jan 29, 2017 10:20:42 GMT
I strongly suggest you add the War Chief's appearances, because Timewyrm: Exodus gives us this: Terrance Dicks tends to use those descriptions for Delgado... That also works as a description of Brayshaw. The two look similar, but that doesn't mean they are the same person. Brayshaw and Dicks had a well established working relationship, Dicks had hired him for other shows (Moonbase 3 for example). It seems more likely that Dicks simply wanted to immortalise Brayshaw in that description, seeing as he had passed away a year before the book was published. That's how it had always read to me since day one.
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Post by CookieMaster on Jan 29, 2017 10:28:23 GMT
By the way, the comics 'First Rule', 'Kill God' and 'Fast Asleep' also contain the younger War Master or young Derek Jacobi Master, depending on your interpretation of his final appearance in 'Fast Asleep'. Just in case you are still up there Billy2.
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Post by icecreamdf on Apr 6, 2017 19:01:32 GMT
The newest DWM comic shows the Delgado Master's regeneration.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Apr 6, 2017 20:14:14 GMT
The newest DWM comic shows the Delgado Master's regeneration. That story's called 'Doorway to Hell', isn't it? Thank. Tim.
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Post by sherlock on Apr 6, 2017 20:16:42 GMT
The newest DWM comic shows the Delgado Master's regeneration. That story's called 'Doorway to Hell', isn't it? Thank. Tim. Yep. Presumably that story results in the Beevers incarnation {Spoiler} Who is then burnt in The Two Masters
Who knows how Legacy of the Daleks fits in now
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Post by icecreamdf on Apr 6, 2017 21:32:05 GMT
That story's called 'Doorway to Hell', isn't it? Thank. Tim. Yep. Presumably that story results in the Beevers incarnation {Spoiler} Who is then burnt in The Two Masters
Who knows how Legacy of the Daleks fits in now I think Legacy pretty much has to exist in a seperate continuity (or timeline or universe or whatever) to Doorway to Hell and The Two Masters.
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Post by sailorhaumea on Apr 6, 2017 22:07:36 GMT
Yep. Presumably that story results in the Beevers incarnation {Spoiler}Who is then burnt in The Two Masters
Who knows how Legacy of the Daleks fits in now I think Legacy pretty much has to exist in a seperate continuity (or timeline or universe or whatever) to Doorway to Hell and The Two Masters. I have a theory! The Master in Legacy is actually Beevers before getting burned. He manages to survive the explosion at the end unharmed, but is stuck on Tersurus, leading him to wander into The Two Masters, and the final scene, with Goth encountering the disfigured Master, is set after Two Masters. Boom, done.
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Post by icecreamdf on Apr 6, 2017 23:02:16 GMT
I think Legacy pretty much has to exist in a seperate continuity (or timeline or universe or whatever) to Doorway to Hell and The Two Masters. I have a theory! The Master in Legacy is actually Beevers before getting burned. He manages to survive the explosion at the end unharmed, but is stuck on Tersurus, leading him to wander into The Two Masters, and the final scene, with Goth encountering the disfigured Master, is set after Two Masters. Boom, done. That might make sense. I don't remember much about Legacy, so I can't remember how clear it was that it was supposed to be the Delgado Master.
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Post by CookieMaster on Apr 7, 2017 6:53:12 GMT
Yep. Presumably that story results in the Beevers incarnation {Spoiler} Who is then burnt in The Two Masters
Who knows how Legacy of the Daleks fits in now I think Legacy pretty much has to exist in a seperate continuity (or timeline or universe or whatever) to Doorway to Hell and The Two Masters. The Council of Eight for me, a group wanting to knock off friends of the Doctor early by engineering alternate timelines. Helps with Sarah Jane and Liz Shaw's fate in some of the books too.
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Post by icecreamdf on Apr 8, 2017 17:48:57 GMT
The Master was also in Heralds of Destruction.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Apr 8, 2017 18:37:41 GMT
The newest DWM comic shows the Delgado Master's regeneration. For no reason it seems. He's not (apparently) that injured. They regenerated him because because. And they got they 4 billion year thing wrong, as a lot of people do, as well. With the transmat effectively restarting him every time what you have is a Doctor aware that 4 billion years worth of that incarnation was needed to get through the events of Hell Bent, but he doesn't remember them all and he is only actually as old as that last cycle through the Castle. So that's a plothole when the Master faces off against him.
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Post by sherlock on Apr 8, 2017 18:57:23 GMT
The newest DWM comic shows the Delgado Master's regeneration. For no reason it seems. He's not (apparently) that injured. They regenerated him because because. And they got they 4 billion year thing wrong, as a lot of people do, as well. With the transmat effectively restarting him every time what you have is a Doctor aware that 4 billion years worth of that incarnation was needed to get through the events of Hell Bent, but he doesn't remember them all and he is only actually as old as that last cycle through the Castle. So that's a plothole when the Master faces off against him. A massive explosion literally just happened in front of him, I'd say that's good enough reason. The 4 billion years thing did bug me too, I guess it's his mental age? It's a really annoying mistake given the comic relies on it
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Post by icecreamdf on Apr 8, 2017 19:03:00 GMT
The newest DWM comic shows the Delgado Master's regeneration. For no reason it seems. He's not (apparently) that injured. They regenerated him because because. And they got they 4 billion year thing wrong, as a lot of people do, as well. With the transmat effectively restarting him every time what you have is a Doctor aware that 4 billion years worth of that incarnation was needed to get through the events of Hell Bent, but he doesn't remember them all and he is only actually as old as that last cycle through the Castle. So that's a plothole when the Master faces off against him. If you look at the Master before he started to regenerate, he was pretty injured. And, during Heaven Sent, the Doctor mentioned that he could remember every iteration. Clara also noted that his eyes looked significantly older during Hell Bent. Besides, he was trying to intimidate the Master.
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