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Post by Digi on May 21, 2016 13:55:54 GMT
Was supposed to be September, but they've bumped it back to January. A 4 month bump, and now we know the apparent reason why. I believe the technical term is "bit off more than they can chew."
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Post by acousticwolf on May 21, 2016 14:51:16 GMT
A 4 month bump, and now we know the apparent reason why. I believe the technical term is "bit off more than they can chew." Or... They've just postponed to fit in the recording of seriously busy actors Cheers Tony
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Post by Zagreus on May 21, 2016 16:46:33 GMT
So this Barrowman news, him recording with Camille Coduri, him recording with Kai Owen...it sort of makes me wonder if maybe there might be a "Churchill Years"-style set featuring Jack Harkness in the lead character position. The Harkness Years... You know, I'd be perfectly fine with a line of "The _____ Years" sets for nuWho characters.
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Post by Digi on May 21, 2016 20:04:27 GMT
I believe the technical term is "bit off more than they can chew." Or... They've just postponed to fit in the recording of seriously busy actors Cheers Tony What do we figure (roughly) the process is? - the pitch -- either a writer with an idea, or the EPs with notes wanting someone to write a story - beg for money from Jason H-E (lol), whom I gather has a bit of coin and spends a lot of time managing his various businesses - go back to the writer with the greenlight - writer spends x number of days/weeks/months writing their story -- longer, if they're reading a novel and figuring out how to adapt it to audio - story is submitted to Nick and/or other EPs, who undoubtedly already have a pile of other scripts waiting to be read - once Nick has time to get to it, he has to read, digest, and provide notes back to the writer or editor - writer/editor has to take notes and make modifications - re-submit final script...which sits in the inbox again till Nick can get to it - somebody has to schedule all of the actors in question (which, regardless of individual availability, in a group is probably on par with herding cats) - get everyone--both cast and crew--in to record - record for x number of days - edit for however long that takes, send on to the audio engineers for effects sounds and whatnot - record ADR if necessary - finish editing - commission an artist to do cover art, approve as needed - negotiate for physical pressing of CDs and send out for physical production - have the logistics team do all the shipping (though I suspect this last part is actually outsourced) - at any and all steps along the way, still other people at BF are trying to drum up marketing and buzz for the product. Now--all of that is going on...with 20-50 stories at various stages of production at all times...? I've noticed in recent years that Big Finish really does like trotting out the 'busy actors' explanation to justify delays and long lead-times, but at this point I just find it such a flimsy and transparent excuse that I have a really, really hard time believing it. Probably not really fair to pass the buck to the actors either, if a project is announced and then it takes longer than expected to work through all the pre-production stuff. We get it, Big Finish folks: you are craaaaazy busy. You don't need to pass the blame on when things don't go quite to plan. We still love you and all that you do Or to be considerably more concise: it's hard to say the actors are busy when the scripts are turned in 4 months late. Especially when the actors in question's IMDB pages show neither of them having done much (on screen/film) for the last 2-5 years
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Post by Audio Watchdog on May 21, 2016 20:15:16 GMT
Speaking as someone who works with a lot of different writers, sometimes things just take longer than originally planned. It's part of working with creative people. I'm frankly amazed that for as much as BF produces more things don't get pushed or delayed. Anyway. Scott Handcock has very quietly turned into one of my favorite directors and I'm looking forward to the announcement(s) of what he has been working on. Personally I'd love for one of the projects to be a Torchwood/UNIT crossover of some kind.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 20:17:58 GMT
Or... They've just postponed to fit in the recording of seriously busy actors Cheers Tony What do we figure (roughly) the process is? - the pitch -- either a writer with an idea, or the EPs with notes wanting someone to write a story - beg for money from Jason H-E (lol), whom I gather has a bit of coin and spends a lot of time managing his various businesses - go back to the writer with the greenlight - writer spends x number of days/weeks/months writing their story -- longer, if they're reading a novel and figuring out how to adapt it to audio - story is submitted to Nick and/or other EPs, who undoubtedly already have a pile of other scripts waiting to be read - once Nick has time to get to it, he has to read, digest, and provide notes back to the writer or editor - writer/editor has to take notes and make modifications - re-submit final script...which sits in the inbox again till Nick can get to it - somebody has to schedule all of the actors in question (which, regardless of individual availability, in a group is probably on par with herding cats) - get everyone--both cast and crew--in to record - record for x number of days - edit for however long that takes, send on to the audio engineers for effects sounds and whatnot - record ADR if necessary - finish editing - commission an artist to do cover art, approve as needed - negotiate for physical pressing of CDs and send out for physical production - have the logistics team do all the shipping (though I suspect this last part is actually outsourced) - at any and all steps along the way, still other people at BF are trying to drum up marketing and buzz for the product. Now--all of that is going on...with 20-50 stories at various stages of production at all times...? I've noticed in recent years that Big Finish really does like trotting out the 'busy actors' explanation to justify delays and long lead-times, but at this point I just find it such a flimsy and transparent excuse that I have a really, really hard time believing it. Probably not really fair to pass the buck to the actors either, if a project is announced and then it takes longer than expected to work through all the pre-production stuff. We get it, Big Finish folks: you are craaaaazy busy. You don't need to pass the blame on when things don't go quite to plan. We still love you and all that you do Or to be considerably more concise: it's hard to say the actors are busy when the scripts are turned in 4 months late. Especially when the actors in question's IMDB pages show neither of them having done much (on screen/film) for the last 2-5 years The pinch point to me looks mainly like writers and directors. I like the way the Second Doctor set is written by former short trips writers, and they're running a competition to find new short trip writers. They clearly want to expand their talent pool. And in terms of actor availability, don't underestimate the demands of stage work. Even filming Doctor Who is having to wait for the companion to finish her stage run.
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Post by jasonward on May 21, 2016 20:22:00 GMT
I believe the norm is for things to be commissioned not pitched and that 1 day or recording is 1 story.
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Post by acousticwolf on May 21, 2016 20:34:46 GMT
Digi That wasn't really what I meant. More likely they have a window to do stories with "really" busy actors (Hurt, Tennant, Barrowman), etc.) and so "lesser" stories get pushed back. In other words, do we know what else Simon Guerrier has been working on? Cheers Tony
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Post by Digi on May 25, 2016 16:33:39 GMT
For anybody who does not follow the BF Podcast, there were a few more bits and pieces announced and teased in the most recent one (titled May #07, released May 22 2016)...
Series 3 of Big Finish's Torchwood range has been announced and confirmed! It will be titled "Torchwood: Outbreak", and will be a 3-part, full-cast story set sometime between TV Torchwood Series 2 and the Children of Earth miniseries. The release will feature John Barrowman (Jack), Gareth David-Lloyd (Ianto), Eve Myles (Gwen), Kai Owen (Rhys), Tom Price (PC Andy), and other yet-to-be-revealed cast members faced with an alien virus infecting Cardiff! Torchwood: Outbreak will be released in November of this year, barring any unforeseen delays!
Second bit of news revealed was regarding the Short Trips releases. Specifically, that the December releases for both this year and for 2017 will both be Christmas-themed.
This year's Christmas ST, penned by James Goss, will be titled "The Hesitation Deviation" and feature New Adventures-era Benny alongside the Seventh Doctor. And as I write this, it occurs to me that they were not clear whether 'New Adventures-era' referred to the VNA novel era, or to Big Finish's own 'New Adventures of Bernice Summerfield' era. I guess we will find out in a few months.
In addition, Nick and Joe also announced December 2017's Short Trip as "Au Tenenbaum," written by Anthony Keach. It will be a First Doctor story with Steven, narrated by Peter Purves himself.
Podcast item number 3: it was HEAVILY implied (without actually coming out and saying) that Klein might be appearing in a future release of UNIT: The New Series. I like Klein a lot, so colour me very excited for that!
#4: Again, without actually coming right out and saying so--they sound like there are no plans to continue the Novel Adaptations range past the ones already announced.
#5: Somewhat more downbeat than in previous podcasts, Nick reaffirms that he thinks it unlikely they'll get Chris Eccleston to return as the Ninth Doctor.
And lastly, it sounds like they are hoping to have John Barrowman as their interviewee in next week's podcast, so keep your eyes and ears peeled for that, Barrowman fans!
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Post by whiskeybrewer on May 26, 2016 12:02:59 GMT
Thats a lot of Diverse news there. I do hope in the future they do go back to the Novel Adaptations and tbf i bet they said that about Tom Baker as well. Come on Tom, give Chris a call and twist his arm
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Post by Digi on May 30, 2016 11:55:40 GMT
Haven't seen much exciting going on on twitter this last week or so. Anything happening on Facebook? I'm not on there...
From yesterday's podcast:
Third Doctor Adventures - Vol 2 will be out in Nov 2016, will consist of two stories: Transcendance of Efros (by James Goss) & The Hidden Realm (by David Llewelyn) - Vol 3 scheduled for July 2017 - no decision has yet been made regarding whether or not to recast Roger Delgado
Charlotte Pollard Vol 2 - Nick Briggs is only just finishing up the scripts now - they are hoping to record sometime this summer, depending on actor availability
The currently-unavailable Short Trip story "One Small Step" by Nick Briggs is going to be 'rediscovered'/re-released as part of either the next podcast or the one after.
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Post by omega on May 30, 2016 12:04:41 GMT
Haven't seen much exciting going on on twitter this last week or so. Anything happening on Facebook? I'm not on there... From yesterday's podcast: Third Doctor Adventures - Vol 2 will be out in Nov 2016, will consist of two stories: Transcendance of Efros (by James Goss) & The Hidden Realm (by David Llewelyn) - Vol 3 scheduled for July 2017 - no decision has yet been made regarding whether or not to recast Roger Delgado Charlotte Pollard Vol 2 - Nick Briggs is only just finishing up the scripts now - they are hoping to record sometime this summer, depending on actor availability The currently-unavailable Short Trip story "One Small Step" by Nick Briggs is going to be 'rediscovered'/re-released as part of either the next podcast or the one after. I thought Transcendence of Efros is written by Guy Adams. June's Listeners title was also announced, it will be the Dark Shadows story The Creeping Fog.
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Post by Digi on May 30, 2016 12:16:48 GMT
Hmm you could be right, maybe I mis-heard?
Oh and also, there's a little clip right at the end of the podcast of Captain Jack and Jackie Tyler talking about Rose. Not sure what release it's for, though.
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Post by acousticwolf on May 31, 2016 15:23:36 GMT
Curious tweet from BF this afternoon :
Cheers
Tony
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Post by Digi on May 31, 2016 15:32:45 GMT
Most intriguing....
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Post by mark687 on May 31, 2016 17:51:06 GMT
Jamie Anderson's had
"A Bl**dy Excellent Day" recording something DW related apparently
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Post by fuurei on May 31, 2016 18:44:14 GMT
Hmm you could be right, maybe I mis-heard? Oh and also, there's a little clip right at the end of the podcast of Captain Jack and Jackie Tyler talking about Rose. Not sure what release it's for, though. That's exciting! When the tweets and such happened I'd assumed Camille was doing a different character or something, but looks like the podcast confirms it's Captain Jack and Jackie Tyler together in a story, which sounds like fun. (Since Jackie's asking Jack about Rose I guess the events must be set before the events of Doomsday, but I assume after The Parting of the Ways?) I wonder if this might be part of a not-yet-announced third series of Torchwood.
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Post by Digi on Jun 1, 2016 14:16:00 GMT
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Post by mark687 on Jun 1, 2016 14:25:21 GMT
"Very un-Big finish" so that means sit-com or real life historical or issue drama then?
Intriguing
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 14:30:55 GMT
Just to say, whatever Alex is talking about, it ain't a series! (Before anyone at Big Finish thinks I'm running away with budgets!)
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