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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 16, 2016 13:57:12 GMT
Amy & Rory can't come back. They died aged 82 and 87. She still came back in Smiths last story. So did Adric in The Caves of Androzani. Both are examples of regeneration hallucinations of people the Doctor has lost.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jun 16, 2016 14:43:56 GMT
She still came back in Smiths last story. So did Adric in The Caves of Androzani. Both are examples of regeneration hallucinations of people the Doctor has lost. Definitely time to stop it.
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Post by mrperson on Jun 16, 2016 15:39:17 GMT
We don't know that yet. At one time Rose was locked in an alternate universe never to return, until she did. Amy & Rory can't come back. They died aged 82 and 87. Actually, their exit made the least sense out of all exits. Throughout the episode, they're reading a book written by future-Amy in the past. Eventually at the end, an angel touches them, they go poof (presumably to 1941 or wherever) and then their names appear on gravestones. There was also that bit about old-Rory in a room. Well, first of all, even if those names appear on the gravestones because they really did live out their lives, there is absolutely no reason why The Doctor couldn't go visit them. It was only 1941 or whatever particular year in NYC he had trouble with. There's no reason he can't see them in 1945, take them out for a while in 1950, etc etc etc. And in fact, it didn't even have to mean that they lived out their lives in NYC past. All a future-Doctor would have to do is plant a gravestone made out of special material programmed to have their names appear at the exact time he previously saw them appear. Then, go pick up Amy & Rory and do whatever, making sure that Amy at least wrote the book they were reading/following earlier in the episode, and making sure old-Rory ends up in the room they found him in before he dies. (Hell, even just have a sufficiently fancy robot pretend to be old-Rory; have the Doctor write the book himself). We've already been shown a similar trick working - the whole cheating death via "teleselecta" business. It's not changing history if everything appears to happen the way it was presented, as having actually happened.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 16, 2016 20:37:02 GMT
So did Adric in The Caves of Androzani. Both are examples of regeneration hallucinations of people the Doctor has lost. Definitely time to stop it. I disagree. I think it makes sense that when close to 'death' (if you can call regeneration that), he would start to hallucinate his companions. He does spend a significant time travelling with them, so they're like family to him.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jun 17, 2016 17:33:14 GMT
Some interesting points. Some of you would like a companion from a different time zone, and some are happy with the modern day companion, because you feel you need a companion to relate to. And, if Moffat did have a companion from the past/future, the characterization would be the same, anyway. Some would like companions to stay away once they have left, but other like the tradition of companions returning, even if it is a regeneration hallucination. Nothing significant with the Master/Rani suggestion.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 17, 2016 18:40:22 GMT
Some would like companions to stay away once they have left, but other like the tradition of companions returning, even if it is a regeneration hallucination. A regeneration hallucination isn't really the same as a companion returning.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jun 17, 2016 19:48:58 GMT
Some would like companions to stay away once they have left, but other like the tradition of companions returning, even if it is a regeneration hallucination. A regeneration hallucination isn't really the same as a companion returning. Well, they still like it!
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jun 17, 2016 21:53:47 GMT
Nothing significant with the Master/Rani suggestion. Because that isn't how you phrased the original question: You simply wanted the Rani back because you don't like Gomez, not because you felt there was new ground to cover with the character. As I had said, I want her back, but not if she's just a big 'sorry' sign for Missy.
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Post by mrperson on Jul 1, 2016 17:53:33 GMT
And why just giving the Master a penis improves the show is beyond me. Well, he probably wouldn't go around trying to kiss the Doctor or rub any Dalek's balls any more; that alone would be an improvement.
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Post by barnabaslives on Jul 2, 2016 3:41:19 GMT
You have only enough for one of the two following releases: Dorney's superlative The Two Masters, or... The Two Missys... which one do you purchase?
Aha! Turns out we're more or less unanimous about a she-Master not being the best idea, eh? :-)
It was an awesome surprise but it might have been better done with a disguise than a regeneration because I really can't seem to think it was well thought out what to do with Missy after the reveal. Making her girly and flirtatious just seems to water the character down considerably for me somehow no matter what she actually does.
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Post by omega on Jul 2, 2016 3:53:09 GMT
Amy & Rory can't come back. They died aged 82 and 87. She still came back in Smiths last story. That was Amy as the Doctor remembered her, not the character actually manifesting aboard the TARDIS. We see the same area from Clara's POV, and it doesn't have all the drawings the Doctor saw.
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Post by shutupbanks on Jul 2, 2016 5:37:01 GMT
You have only enough for one of the two following releases: Dorney's superlative The Two Masters, or... The Two Missys... which one do you purchase? Aha! Turns out we're more or less unanimous about a she-Master not being the best idea, eh? :-) It was an awesome surprise but it might have been better done with a disguise than a regeneration because I really can't seem to think it was well thought out what to do with Missy after the reveal. Making her girly and flirtatious just seems to water the character down considerably for me somehow no matter what she actually does. Given that only one of those plays actually exists and also that only Ms Gomez has played "Missy," I really don't get the point you're making.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 2, 2016 7:57:21 GMT
She still came back in Smiths last story. That was Amy as the Doctor remembered her, not the character actually manifesting aboard the TARDIS. We see the same area from Clara's POV, and it doesn't have all the drawings the Doctor saw. Amys appearance sadly ruins everything Clara does in that episode, and the one before. How would you feel as an actor to play a major part only to be upstaged by a mirage?
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Post by omega on Jul 2, 2016 8:03:20 GMT
That was Amy as the Doctor remembered her, not the character actually manifesting aboard the TARDIS. We see the same area from Clara's POV, and it doesn't have all the drawings the Doctor saw. Amys appearance sadly ruins everything Clara does in that episode, and the one before. How would you feel as an actor to play a major part only to be upstaged by a mirage? By that logic you should dislike Adric, Nyssa and Tegan being upstaged by the Fourth Doctor's clip show, or Peri being upstaged by the Fifth Doctor's previous companions willing him through the regeneration. Amy's brief appearance bookends the Eleventh Doctor's era as it began, with little Amelia Pond, and makes a lot more sense than other things in the episode.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jul 2, 2016 8:03:38 GMT
Gomezs Missy would be the first to go if i was in charge she has ruined the character for me making a scheming manipulative villian into a panto sex obsessed Mary Poppins.
I'd also change the companion dynamics & have a unique companion the Doctor doesn't quite trust who isn't quite a likable character but senses there potential to be good, as he/she travels in the tardis it broadens their perspective & educates him/her to what the human factor is all about & changes his/her attitude towards how theyhe perceives the universe.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 2, 2016 8:41:21 GMT
Amys appearance sadly ruins everything Clara does in that episode, and the one before. How would you feel as an actor to play a major part only to be upstaged by a mirage? By that logic you should dislike Adric, Nyssa and Tegan being upstaged by the Fourth Doctor's clip show, or Peri being upstaged by the Fifth Doctor's previous companions willing him through the regeneration. Amy's brief appearance bookends the Eleventh Doctor's era as it began, with little Amelia Pond, and makes a lot more sense than other things in the episode. Not really. It works with the Fourth and Fifth Doctor.
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Post by omega on Jul 2, 2016 8:49:08 GMT
By that logic you should dislike Adric, Nyssa and Tegan being upstaged by the Fourth Doctor's clip show, or Peri being upstaged by the Fifth Doctor's previous companions willing him through the regeneration. Amy's brief appearance bookends the Eleventh Doctor's era as it began, with little Amelia Pond, and makes a lot more sense than other things in the episode. Not really. It works with the Fourth and Fifth Doctor. The Tenth Doctor got his farewell tour, which is far more self-indulgent than the Eleventh Doctor seeing the first person he ever spent any time with. Don't see you griping about that (yet).
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 2, 2016 9:07:13 GMT
Not really. It works with the Fourth and Fifth Doctor. The Tenth Doctor got his farewell tour, which is far more self-indulgent than the Eleventh Doctor seeing the first person he ever spent any time with. Don't see you griping about that (yet). God, I'd forgotten about that! Jeez! Self indulgent jodrell fest! RTD has no shame!
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Post by omega on Jul 2, 2016 9:28:55 GMT
The Tenth Doctor got his farewell tour, which is far more self-indulgent than the Eleventh Doctor seeing the first person he ever spent any time with. Don't see you griping about that (yet). God, I'd forgotten about that! Jeez! Self indulgent jodrell fest! RTD has no shame! Once again, if you don't like then don't watch it.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 2, 2016 9:41:24 GMT
God, I'd forgotten about that! Jeez! Self indulgent jodrell fest! RTD has no shame! Once again, if you don't like then don't watch it. Well, one has to watch it to decide if one likes it or not! EDIT - And, its not as if I can unwatch something I saw in 2010!
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