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Post by barnabaslives on Jul 2, 2016 12:48:05 GMT
You have only enough for one of the two following releases: Dorney's superlative The Two Masters, or... The Two Missys... which one do you purchase? Given that only one of those plays actually exists and also that only Ms Gomez has played "Missy," I really don't get the point you're making. I rather hope both of those things stay that way, lol. Two things I don't think I've really heard anyone including myself pining for are for Missy to regenerate into a female again, or a multi-Missy story.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2016 12:55:19 GMT
Given that only one of those plays actually exists and also that only Ms Gomez has played "Missy," I really don't get the point you're making. I rather hope both of those things stay that way, lol. Two things I don't think I've really heard anyone including myself pining for are for Missy to regenerate into a female again, or a multi-Missy story. Nah, Michelle Gomez is doing a fine job as is. I've really warmed to her character since "The Magician's Apprentice" / "The Witch's Familiar", she really sells that sense of keen Delgadoesque intelligence buried beneath a deceptive veneer of off-kilter madness. You get the impression that she's playing it up for the benefit of the monkeys. Building on my earlier comments, if they do decide to stick with the format of the last season and try for pseudo four-parters, I'd like to see a greater focus on developing memorable supporting characters for each story. It may not be feasible because of scheduling and general production mayhem these days, but it'd be nice to see nonetheless.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jul 2, 2016 13:35:07 GMT
Given that only one of those plays actually exists and also that only Ms Gomez has played "Missy," I really don't get the point you're making. I rather hope both of those things stay that way, lol. Two things I don't think I've really heard anyone including myself pining for are for Missy to regenerate into a female again, or a multi-Missy story. I don't mind whether the Master is male or female next time. Both genders work for the character in my view.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jul 2, 2016 15:11:52 GMT
I'd rather the Master be in his decayed form, he was much more frightening in Deadly Assassin with his skeletal remains & cloak.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jul 2, 2016 15:16:38 GMT
Some of the fans on this forum don't like what I say about Doctor Who, wether I'm right or wrong. Here are some questions I'd like you to answer - 1 - Would it be such a bad idea to have a companion from Earths past? It worked for Jamie and Victoria. 2 - Would it be such a bad idea to have a companion from Earths future? Zoe worked. 3 - Would it be such a bad thing that the companion is not some kind of impossible, special, mysterious companion? 4 - Would it be so bad to turn The Master back to a man, and introduce a Time Lady? Worked for The Rani. 5 - Is it such a bad idea that the companion develops through learning from experience, rather than the story be the companion? 6 - Is is so bad an idea, that when a companion leaves or dies - They don't come back? These are some small points, which I think would vastly improve Doctor Who. There are more problem that I haven't mentioned, but this would be a start. So, try and answer, YES, or NO, and a short comment! 1. No, but there's nothing wrong with a companion from Earth's present. 2. Wel, Jack is from the future, and River is sort of from the future. Otherwise, same answer as above. 3. How many of them actually were somehow special or mysterious though? Rose was for about a minute in season 1, Donna was for a few minutes in season 4, Amy was for a few episodes in season 5, and Clara was for half a season in season 7. Even Amy and Clara, who arguably spent the most time being "special and mysterious" remained as normal people for multiple seasons after their mysteries were resolved. 4. Well, Michelle Gomez is still pretty new, and is doing an amazing job. When she's ready to leave, I wouldn't mind if the next Master is a man, but I also wouldn't mind if she's a woman again. They introduced the general as a female in Hell Bent, so I don't really understand the second part of your complaint. 5. I don't understand what you mean. Companions learn through experience plenty in the new series. Some episodes are about them, but since they are half the main cast that only makes since. 6. So far, Moffat hasn't brought any companions back after their actual departure. He fakes us out sometimes, but Amy and Rory haven't been seen since they died, and Clara has not been seen since she left with Me. BF also brings companions back after they depart, all the time (older Peri, older Nyssa, Evil Adric, Mistress Zoe, the upcoming Mel trilogy, etc.) and I've never heard you complain about that.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jul 2, 2016 15:18:55 GMT
Given that only one of those plays actually exists and also that only Ms Gomez has played "Missy," I really don't get the point you're making. I rather hope both of those things stay that way, lol. Two things I don't think I've really heard anyone including myself pining for are for Missy to regenerate into a female again, or a multi-Missy story. How can there be a multi-Missy story? That's like asking for a multi-Macqueen Master story. Missy is just one incarnation of the Master. There can be a multi-Master story that includes Missy, but a multi-Missy story doesn't make any sense. If, in the future, there are more female incarnations of the Master who go by Missy, then a multi-Missy story would be awesome.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 2, 2016 16:11:22 GMT
6. So far, Moffat hasn't brought any companions back after their actual departure. He fakes us out sometimes, but Amy and Rory haven't been seen since they died, and Clara has not been seen since she left with Me. BF also brings companions back after they depart, all the time (older Peri, older Nyssa, Evil Adric, Mistress Zoe, the upcoming Mel trilogy, etc.) and I've never heard you complain about that. Do I really have to explain this one, again? When it comes to Moffat, he killed Rory about three times. Rory and Amy both jumped off a building in New York. (people die when they do that) Clara died in Face the Raven, and came back in Heaven Sent. And, Gods sake, man. Are you bring Big Finish into this argument? If you are, we shouldn't be doing any Doctor Who, because the lead actor has always regenerated. According to your argument, we can't do the 4th Doctor, because he changed to 5, and 5 changed to 6 etc.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jul 2, 2016 17:19:14 GMT
I rather hope both of those things stay that way, lol. Two things I don't think I've really heard anyone including myself pining for are for Missy to regenerate into a female again, or a multi-Missy story. How can there be a multi-Missy story? That's like asking for a multi-Macqueen Master story. Missy is just one incarnation of the Master. There can be a multi-Master story that includes Missy, but a multi-Missy story doesn't make any sense. If, in the future, there are more female incarnations of the Master who go by Missy, then a multi-Missy story would be awesome. People seem to easily forget Missy's just one of the Master's many aliases rather than her actual name.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jul 2, 2016 18:00:47 GMT
6. So far, Moffat hasn't brought any companions back after their actual departure. He fakes us out sometimes, but Amy and Rory haven't been seen since they died, and Clara has not been seen since she left with Me. BF also brings companions back after they depart, all the time (older Peri, older Nyssa, Evil Adric, Mistress Zoe, the upcoming Mel trilogy, etc.) and I've never heard you complain about that. Do I really have to explain this one, again? When it comes to Moffat, he killed Rory about three times. Rory and Amy both jumped off a building in New York. (people die when they do that) Clara died in Face the Raven, and came back in Heaven Sent. And, Gods sake, man. Are you bring Big Finish into this argument? If you are, we shouldn't be doing any Doctor Who, because the lead actor has always regenerated. According to your argument, we can't do the 4th Doctor, because he changed to 5, and 5 changed to 6 etc. But when Rory and Amy and Clara died, it was never intended to be their departure. There is a difference between killing somebody off and later changing your mind and bringing them back, and killing them off with the intention of bringing them back. My point about BF is that they bring companions back in stories set after their departures. The Widow's Assassin is set after Trial of a Timelord, Cobwebs is set after Terminus, The Boy Who Time Forgot was set after Earthshock, Legend of the Cybermen was set after The War Games, and the upcoming Mel trilogy is set after Dragonfire. Witn the exception of The Boy Who Time Forgot and the Mel trilogy (which I obviously haven't heard yet) I have loved all those stories. They are basically no different from having Martha show up in The Sontaran Stratagem/The Poison Sky, or having Sarah Jane show up in School Reunion. Sometimes, the Doctor just reconnects with his former companions.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jul 2, 2016 18:01:46 GMT
How can there be a multi-Missy story? That's like asking for a multi-Macqueen Master story. Missy is just one incarnation of the Master. There can be a multi-Master story that includes Missy, but a multi-Missy story doesn't make any sense. If, in the future, there are more female incarnations of the Master who go by Missy, then a multi-Missy story would be awesome. People seem to easily forget Missy's just one of the Master's many aliases rather than her actual name. Well, that's probably because she still goes by Missy after she reveals her identity. I think its more of a nickname than an alias.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 2, 2016 18:07:03 GMT
Do I really have to explain this one, again? When it comes to Moffat, he killed Rory about three times. Rory and Amy both jumped off a building in New York. (people die when they do that) Clara died in Face the Raven, and came back in Heaven Sent. And, Gods sake, man. Are you bring Big Finish into this argument? If you are, we shouldn't be doing any Doctor Who, because the lead actor has always regenerated. According to your argument, we can't do the 4th Doctor, because he changed to 5, and 5 changed to 6 etc. But when Rory and Amy and Clara died, it was never intended to be their departure. There is a difference between killing somebody off and later changing your mind and bringing them back, and killing them off with the intention of bringing them back. My point about BF is that they bring companions back in stories set after their departures. The Widow's Assassin is set after Trial of a Timelord, Cobwebs is set after Terminus, The Boy Who Time Forgot was set after Earthshock, Legend of the Cybermen was set after The War Games, and the upcoming Mel trilogy is set after Dragonfire. Witn the exception of The Boy Who Time Forgot and the Mel trilogy (which I obviously haven't heard yet) I have loved all those stories. They are basically no different from having Martha show up in The Sontaran Stratagem/The Poison Sky, or having Sarah Jane show up in School Reunion. Sometimes, the Doctor just reconnects with his former companions. LOL
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Post by barnabaslives on Jul 2, 2016 18:43:57 GMT
How can there be a multi-Missy story? That's like asking for a multi-Macqueen Master story. Sorry... Just my exercise in the rhetorical gone terribly wrong, I'm afraid.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 2, 2016 19:07:39 GMT
Nobody knows what Missy was before Missy, so The Two Missys is always possible!
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Post by icecreamdf on Jul 2, 2016 19:15:23 GMT
Nobody knows what Missy was before Missy, so The Two Missys is always possible! Well, I think most of us assume that she was John Simm before she was Missy, but I guess there can be another incarnation in between them.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 2, 2016 19:19:24 GMT
And once Moffat is finished with Missy she'll regenerate into Delgado.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jul 2, 2016 19:58:09 GMT
And once Moffat is finished with Missy she'll regenerate into Delgado. Well, given that Roger Delgado is dead, I don't think Moffat would be able to do that even if he wanted to.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 2, 2016 20:19:54 GMT
And once Moffat is finished with Missy she'll regenerate into Delgado. Well, given that Roger Delgado is dead, I don't think Moffat would be able to do that even if he wanted to. Hartnell, Troughton and Pertwee are dead, yet all appeared in NOTD!!
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jul 2, 2016 20:57:39 GMT
Well, given that Roger Delgado is dead, I don't think Moffat would be able to do that even if he wanted to. Hartnell, Troughton and Pertwee are dead, yet all appeared in NOTD!! Cameos. Main cast don't cameo. Delgado could appear but as his incarnation in a cameo.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 2, 2016 21:13:51 GMT
Hartnell, Troughton and Pertwee are dead, yet all appeared in NOTD!! Cameos. Main cast don't cameo. Delgado could appear but as his incarnation in a cameo. Yet, not impossible to have Missy regenerate, see a face of Delgado, and cgi some movement, and closing titles!!!
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jul 2, 2016 21:28:33 GMT
Cameos. Main cast don't cameo. Delgado could appear but as his incarnation in a cameo. Yet, not impossible to have Missy regenerate, see a face of Delgado, and cgi some movement, and closing titles!!! Don't be daft, of course that's POSSIBLE, but pointless because you're effectively ending the Master if you do that.
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