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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 12, 2016 14:56:18 GMT
Ar you for real?, the writing was way better for the classic series, nowadays it's all about the companion saving the universe & poorly conceived arcs that make no sense. Hopefully Chibnail will steer the series back to it's roots & focus on the character of the Doctor. Like I've said before Big Finish writers deliver far better stories than the current tv series writers, The Two Masters by John Dorney was outstanding. I hope Chibnail gives a couple of the BF writers a chance to showcase what they could do in a tv episode. Classic Series - 'Nothin' in za world can stop me now!' New Series - 'Great men are forged in fire. It takes the privilege of a lesser man to light the flame,' Classic Who - 'One day, I shall come back...' NuWho - 'Wibbly wobbly timey wimey' I rest my case!
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Post by aztec on Jul 12, 2016 15:12:16 GMT
I predict Chibnall will keep the 45-50 minute per episode runtime, there's a part of me that would like a return to longer form stories but a series of 12-13 45 minute eps is much easier to schedule and sell abroad that a few feature length specials would be, and as we have to wait a year for each series I wouldn't want to see a reduction in episodes...
I think we'll see a new Tardis interior regardless of whether Capaldi leaves or stays.
Captain Jack will return.
More UNIT stories.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jul 12, 2016 18:05:40 GMT
Classic Series - 'Nothin' in za world can stop me now!' New Series - 'Great men are forged in fire. It takes the privilege of a lesser man to light the flame,' Classic Who - 'One day, I shall come back...' NuWho - 'Wibbly wobbly timey wimey' I rest my case! Classic series - 'I can't hold on! I can't hold oooooon!' New Series - 'HELLO STONEHENGE!! Who takes The Pandorica takes the universe! But, bad news, everyone — because guess who! Ha! Except, you lot, you’re all…whizzing about…it’s really VERY distracting, could you all just stay still for a minute, because I!!! AM!!! TALKING!!!!! Now: The question of the hour is, who’s got The Pandorica. Answer: I do. Next question! Who’s coming to take it from me? C’MMMONN, *look* at me! *No* plan, *no* backup, *no* weapons worth a damn, OH, and — something else — I. Don’t. Have. Anything TO LOSE. So, if you’re sitting up there in your silly little spaceship with all…your…silly…little guns…and you’ve got any plans on taking The Pandorica TONIGHT, just REMEMBER who’s standing in your way. REMEMBER every black day I ever stopped you, and then, AND. THEN. ANNND THEN. — DO the SMART THING…let somebody else try first.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 12, 2016 18:19:15 GMT
Classic Who - 'One day, I shall come back...' NuWho - 'Wibbly wobbly timey wimey' I rest my case! Classic series - 'I can't hold on! I can't hold oooooon!' New Series - 'HELLO STONEHENGE!! Who takes The Pandorica takes the universe! But, bad news, everyone — because guess who! Ha! Except, you lot, you’re all…whizzing about…it’s really VERY distracting, could you all just stay still for a minute, because I!!! AM!!! TALKING!!!!! Now: The question of the hour is, who’s got The Pandorica. Answer: I do. Next question! Who’s coming to take it from me? C’MMMONN, *look* at me! *No* plan, *no* backup, *no* weapons worth a damn, OH, and — something else — I. Don’t. Have. Anything TO LOSE. So, if you’re sitting up there in your silly little spaceship with all…your…silly…little guns…and you’ve got any plans on taking The Pandorica TONIGHT, just REMEMBER who’s standing in your way. REMEMBER every black day I ever stopped you, and then, AND. THEN. ANNND THEN. — DO the SMART THING…let somebody else try first. Not sure if your NuWho quote is a positive or negative.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jul 12, 2016 22:04:52 GMT
Right. The only iconic moments for good reasons, in Smith's era, in my opinion are the Brigadier's death and the Akhaten speech. The Pandorica speech is incredibly OTT and I struggle to take it seriously. What you've failed to mention is that both are incredibly good. Dalekbuster, your views on Classic Who are completely unfair and you only mention negative parts. Paul Morris, I would also add that you fail to see that there are good parts in NuWho. I mean, in my opinion, 60s Who and Moffat's Who are the worst the show can get, but that's an unpopular opinion, really. I love 80s Who. I love the TV Movie. I love Russell's Who. I love the Pertwee and Baker eras. I'd say that both 60s Who and Moffat's Who have, ironically, the most in common. I mean both's storylines are either trying too hard or not trying at all. When it comes down to it, the more I think about it, the more I think your both wrong. To be honest, though, I'd be more on the side of Paul Morris, mainly because Moffat's Who hasn't learnt from mistakes of previous eras and repeats trip-ups from all eras of the show. However, as of late, you've both been insanely immature in putting your points across. If you want to have an argument, make it a debate rather than a war. Keep it fair and even. Don't get me wrong, I like the classic series - if you look at my reviews of it on my blog site, I have given strong and negative reviews to both classic series and new series stories. It is great television. The writing however was always pretty weak IMO in comparison to the new series(with the exception of the Genesis of the Daleks). Both have their strong points - the writing was never it for Classic Who.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jul 12, 2016 22:40:26 GMT
You know, that 'indomitable' speech in Ark in Space does nothing for me. I know I'm in a minority of one. No you're not
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2016 23:56:51 GMT
I'm still kinda in limbo when it comes to my opinions of Chibnall as a writer. The stories themselves haven't entranced me, and while that should be a bit of a worrry...he's always had mid-season filler eps where he's been told "right, we want a runaround". Moffat's spoken about giving Chris the Dinosaurs in space brief so his hands were all but tied on that one and I'm not sure how many of his episodes have been like that. More a dictation that a free hand. I don't know the ins and outs of every ep but I think Chris has been seen as a safe, quick pair of hands. He's never had the chance to show his "vision" for what Doctor Who is. He's not written novels and audios to clue us up. He's not given as many interviews as other writers to give us an insight. He's both prolific and yet, conversely, something of an unknown quantity when it comes to what he can really do in Who. I look at his Broadchurch. Now, it wasn't the most original show ever but it was fantastically written. The exchange between Dalekbuster and Paul above equates iconic quotes with good writing, well, they're not interchangeable terms. Broadchurch didn't try and write big, iconic moments every week but it had a tight mystery, interesting and diverse characters and reasons for everyone to act they way they did. That's writing. Not just coming up with something to put on a meme or a tshirt. Chris showed he could write fantastically well on Broadchurch. He made plot and character the focal points, never ignoring one for the other. So while his Who work has been patchy, it's been gun-for-hire. It's also not been bad. Just a tad generic. When we got his own show it became, overnight, the most talked about show in the country. Within 2 weeks Alec Hardy and Ellie Miller became almost instantly uber-popular characters despite being on the face of it cliched cops we've seen a million times. If he can do the same with a Doctor-companion dynamic - take the well worn idea and just do it REALLY well and make casual fans buy in to the concept all over again...we should be in for a treat. My prediction...even if that happens. Some people will hate it. Let's not bother to guess who that'll be on here.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 13, 2016 20:27:36 GMT
What might have been an in-story reason? Perhaps if the Master had to regenerate into a female, perhaps using the Sisters of Karn to do it, for a purpose such as escaping from a prison....and that this also had some important function in a story or arc. But there was no reason other than "well, we're just going to say that this happens now." Ah well, what's done is done. But, it hasn't helped that its not been explained.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jul 14, 2016 4:37:19 GMT
Intelligence in a tv show can be a double edged sword. Intelligent writing could mean something The Silurians, which had a subtle message of immigration. Theres intelligent dialogue, and an intelligent tight script with no plot holes. Classic Who talked to the audience, not down. NuWho isn't subtle, more like a sledgehammer. I don't study enough NuWho to compare it. The writing in the classic series was awful compared to the writing in the new series. I'm usually the first person to defend the New series, and I often think that it is better than the Classic Series. However, the writing in the Classic series isn't awful compared to anything. There are bad episodes of the Classic Series (I can't stand The Web Planet), and bad episodes of the New Series (Sleep No More was terrible), but overall both series tend to be consistently amazing. I think the two best decades for Who were the 70s and the 00s.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jul 14, 2016 4:39:03 GMT
What might have been an in-story reason? Perhaps if the Master had to regenerate into a female, perhaps using the Sisters of Karn to do it, for a purpose such as escaping from a prison....and that this also had some important function in a story or arc. But there was no reason other than "well, we're just going to say that this happens now." Ah well, what's done is done. But, it hasn't helped that its not been explained. Why should it be explained. He regenerated and his new body happenned to be a woman. Just like the General, the Corsair, Drax, and that Timelord who was after the Monk.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 14, 2016 7:11:16 GMT
But, it hasn't helped that its not been explained. Why should it be explained. He regenerated and his new body happenned to be a woman. Just like the General, the Corsair, Drax, and that Timelord who was after the Monk. Who, when?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jul 14, 2016 11:22:46 GMT
Why should it be explained. He regenerated and his new body happenned to be a woman. Just like the General, the Corsair, Drax, and that Timelord who was after the Monk. Who, when? The Doctor's Wife - 'The mark of The Corsair. Fantastic bloke. He had that snake as a tattoo in every regeneration. Didn’t feel like himself unless he had that tattoo. Or herself a couple of times. Oo hoo! She was a bad girl!' It was established right there that Time Lords can regenerate into the opposite sex.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 14, 2016 15:32:32 GMT
The Doctor's Wife - 'The mark of The Corsair. Fantastic bloke. He had that snake as a tattoo in every regeneration. Didn’t feel like himself unless he had that tattoo. Or herself a couple of times. Oo hoo! She was a bad girl!' It was established right there that Time Lords can regenerate into the opposite sex. What are you babbling about?
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Post by icecreamdf on Jul 14, 2016 15:32:59 GMT
Why should it be explained. He regenerated and his new body happenned to be a woman. Just like the General, the Corsair, Drax, and that Timelord who was after the Monk. Who, when? The General was in Hell Bent, the Corsair was mentioned in The Doctor's Wife, Drax was in The Trouble With Drax, and the other Time Lord who's name I forget was in The Black Hole.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jul 14, 2016 15:34:03 GMT
The Doctor's Wife - 'The mark of The Corsair. Fantastic bloke. He had that snake as a tattoo in every regeneration. Didn’t feel like himself unless he had that tattoo. Or herself a couple of times. Oo hoo! She was a bad girl!' It was established right there that Time Lords can regenerate into the opposite sex. What are you babbling about? The Doctor mentioned a Time Lord who changed gender back in The Doctor's Wife.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2016 15:56:05 GMT
The General was in Hell Bent, the Corsair was mentioned in The Doctor's Wife, Drax was in The Trouble With Drax, and the other Time Lord who's name I forget was in The Black Hole. He knows that. He's been in this exact same argument a million times and is just looking for a reaction, as usual.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 14, 2016 16:19:46 GMT
The General was in Hell Bent, the Corsair was mentioned in The Doctor's Wife, Drax was in The Trouble With Drax, and the other Time Lord who's name I forget was in The Black Hole. He knows that. He's been in this exact same argument a million times and is just looking for a reaction, as usual. And, all Moffat nonsense!
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Post by icecreamdf on Jul 14, 2016 16:27:09 GMT
The General was in Hell Bent, the Corsair was mentioned in The Doctor's Wife, Drax was in The Trouble With Drax, and the other Time Lord who's name I forget was in The Black Hole. He knows that. He's been in this exact same argument a million times and is just looking for a reaction, as usual. So you're saying he's just pretending to not know anything about Doctor Who.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jul 14, 2016 16:27:29 GMT
He knows that. He's been in this exact same argument a million times and is just looking for a reaction, as usual. And, all Moffat nonsense! Two of those examples were Big Finish.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2016 17:15:09 GMT
He knows that. He's been in this exact same argument a million times and is just looking for a reaction, as usual. So you're saying he's just pretending to not know anything about Doctor Who. I'm saying he's been winding people like you up with posts exactly like these for a long, long time. He will never be wrong. You will never be right and you'll have the same argument the next time it all comes up.
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