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Post by theotherjosh on Jan 11, 2017 20:28:08 GMT
That was really quite a bit of fun. As mark867 mentioned upthread, everybody seemed so enthusiastic. I love Lalla Ward more every time I hear her. Romana seems so hilariously annoyed with everyone. If I had one complaint, it was that the central mystery seemed a bit thin, but the plot is almost beside the point in a story like this. It was just wonderful fun, and I loved listening to it.
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Post by barnabaslives on Jan 11, 2017 22:34:30 GMT
That was really quite a bit of fun. As mark867 mentioned upthread, everybody seemed so enthusiastic. I love Lalla Ward more every time I hear her. Romana seems so hilariously annoyed with everyone. If I had one complaint, it was that the central mystery seemed a bit thin, but the plot is almost beside the point in a story like this. It was just wonderful fun, and I loved listening to it. It seemed to me like Romana came across as less annoyed with everyone than in some previous releases, which I do think made things seem more fun. I think my one complaint would be that the story was over too soon and I'm guessing that if it had had another hour to deepen the mystery, the plot might have seemed more robust. Still, I think this was very well written into the time allotted and it's instantly become one of the stories by Justin Richards from the 4DAs that I like best. I also just loved hearing this cast together, and it managed to make me do quite a bit of fond reminiscing about the first time I saw Talons of Weng-Chiang.
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Post by kimalysong on Jan 12, 2017 0:55:24 GMT
It had fun scenes and lines and it's always great to visit Jago & Litefoot but I am going to be frank I found it kind of forgettable.
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Post by elkawho on Jan 12, 2017 2:49:40 GMT
I also thought it was fun. I am pretty sick right now and was feeling pretty terrible this morning, then I heard Jago introducing K-9 and it immediately put a smile on my face.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jan 12, 2017 6:48:08 GMT
I also thought it was fun. I am pretty sick right now and was feeling pretty terrible this morning, then I heard Jago introducing K-9 and it immediately put a smile on my face. Sorry to hear your unwell, rest up & get well soon. Does Tom Baker give a more subdued performance like he did in Season 18 or is he still mad uncle tom?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 15:10:51 GMT
I also thought it was fun. I am pretty sick right now and was feeling pretty terrible this morning, then I heard Jago introducing K-9 and it immediately put a smile on my face. Sorry to hear your unwell, rest up & get well soon. Does Tom Baker give a more subdued performance like he did in Season 18 or is he still mad uncle tom? He's still mad Uncle Tom, which made me laugh out loud on (at least) two separate occasions. {Spoiler} His almost aggressive cry of 'isn't this nice?' when dining with Jago and Litefoot, and his OTT guffawing at K-9's rather weak pun - both made me laugh a lot. The story, I thought was similar to Justin Richard's opener for the previous series - solid, well plotted and full of enjoyable dialogue. No problems with that at all: I like Justin's work a lot. My problem with this, which I touched on before, is that it bears no relation to the style of Season 18, which was full of high concept science and ideas. In the extras, Nick Briggs says that the Radiophonic-style approach of incidental music that was also so identifiable with the 18th series was not used, as it didn't 'fit' with Jago and Litefoot's inclusion. So, my question is - and I speak as someone who has all the J&L box-sets and love them dearly - why bring them back into this collection? Surely they would have fitted better in the last series of 4DAs, which was much more Graham Williams in style? I don't really understand the logic of it at all. Series 18 was as much Christopher Bidmead as it was JNT, and was the only series of Doctor Who he presided over. It doesn't really seem to me that BF are concerned recreating his era here - although future stories in this run could prove me wrong. Perhaps forthcoming releases will be more 'Bidmeadian' in tone, although with highly traditional sounding titles like 'The Thief Who Stole Time' and 'The Haunting of Malkin Place', I'm not sure this will prove to be the case.
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Post by relativetime on Jan 13, 2017 5:56:20 GMT
I think this was a pretty good start to what I think will turn out to be a fantastic series of Fourth Doctor Adventures. It's really hard to go wrong when you have the Fourth Doctor, Romana II, K-9 and Jago & Litefoot onboard! And while I can understand people who might think the sound design is a bit too much like season 17, I didn't think Tom's performance was all that off what we might have gotten in Season 18. Perhaps that's just because I haven't seen that season in a while? Either way, I actually thought he was a bit more subdued this time compared to the last series.
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Post by Hieronymus on Jan 13, 2017 13:51:36 GMT
Justin Richards managed a fine balancing act between five starring characters and two significant supporting cast members. In a two-parter, that's not easy to do, but everyone here has plenty to say and do--even K-9.
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Post by ljwilson on Jan 13, 2017 20:51:19 GMT
Daft question but does it really matter about linking the TV series and the Doctor's persona and mood with the audios?
I dont really care for continuity, what comes before and after what, etc. I just like a good adventure.
Just asking and hopefully not seeming rude.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 21:01:53 GMT
Daft question but does it really matter about linking the TV series and the Doctor's persona and mood with the audios? I dont really care for continuity, what comes before and after what, etc. I just like a good adventure. No, it doesn't really matter, well, not to most people. But some Doctor Who fans like to tie everything together, which is fine, and if it keeps them off the streets...
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Post by jjjjj on Jan 13, 2017 23:56:11 GMT
Daft question but does it really matter about linking the TV series and the Doctor's persona and mood with the audios? I dont really care for continuity, what comes before and after what, etc. I just like a good adventure. No, it doesn't really matter, well, not to most people. But some Doctor Who fans like to tie everything together, which is fine, and if it keeps them off the streets... I am definitely not one of the continuity obsessed fans, I could care less for unit dating or making every stray comment or writers error corrected. But I do sometimes pause when they put something in a gap that doesn't exist. Season 18 really followed one after the other, at least until they hit espace. They had plenty or gaps for s17, but s18 would follow the events or last episode pretty closely. Odd that they would put these between hive and meglos, or meglos and full circle. Either way I don't care, I just listen to enjoy and don't worry too much, but the 'gap' these fit into isn't really a gap.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jan 13, 2017 23:59:58 GMT
I loved K9's terrible jokes. There is just something hilarious about hearing bad puns delivered in K9's voice.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 8:16:38 GMT
Daft question but does it really matter about linking the TV series and the Doctor's persona and mood with the audios? I dont really care for continuity, what comes before and after what, etc. I just like a good adventure. Just asking and hopefully not seeming rude. It really matters to me. If you're going to go to the effort of confirming a story is set in season eighteen it should invoke the feel of that series. I absolutely adore stories where the soundscape mirrors the relevant TV stories. If it sounds like season 17 then why on earth not just set it then. In my head-canon this is a transitional story between Shada and Leisure Hive.
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Post by shallacatop on Jan 14, 2017 19:10:50 GMT
I thought the story itself was perfectly good, fun and certainly one of the better 4DAs.
However, why wasn't it part of last year's run? It's completely against everything season 18 is and it's utterly baffling how it managed to make the grade of a story from that high concept season! There's no justification whatsoever.
It'll have to be a transition story from Shada to The Leisure Hive. It can't be anything else.
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Post by barnabaslives on Jan 14, 2017 20:49:06 GMT
I share somewhat in a sense of awkwardness about placement - my experience of the story was that it didn't very comfortably feel like season 18 or 17 to me (almost more like J&L brought a wee air of season 14/15 with them) but then Shada really doesn't either, so next to Shada might well be a good place to set it as far as I'm concerned.
On the other hand, maybe it's not as out of place as I seem to think - sometimes season 18 feels a touch stuffy to me so maybe a departure provides some welcome variety if I can manage to regard it in the right light. (I probably can, because I'd think I could easily have had similar problems with Justice of Jalxar, so perhaps it's best if I try not to think about these things too much). As for the Doctor's mood, could it be he's simply cheered a bit at meeting with some old friends in The Beast of Kravenos?
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Post by icecreamdf on Jan 14, 2017 22:27:01 GMT
I don't get why people feel like the stories need to fit the tone of a specific season. This isn't a story from season 18 of Doctor Who. Its a story from season 6 of the Fourth Doctor Adventures. As long as the tone is right for the Fourth Doctor, it should be fine.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jan 15, 2017 4:33:14 GMT
Is it a well written & engaging story? Is it produced & directed to the highest possible standard? Is it well performed? Did the listener enjoy themselves? If the answer to those questions is yes, then the question of did the piece feel like season 18 is pretty much picking at nits. IMO of course.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 9:08:38 GMT
The problem when it comes to Big Finish slotting stories in to gaps - be they real gaps, possible gaps or non-existent gaps - is that people still need to enjoy the story for what it is without worrying too much about the placement. There isn't really a gap between Planet of Fire and Caves of Androzani but Big Finish still put a lot of Doctor Who stories in there! It doesn't mean that those stories with Peri and Erimem are any less enjoyable. I liked the Beast of Kravenos, I thought it was fun. The actual story was probably a bit lightweight, although with Tom that's ok as he is able to bring the best out of an average story. However, I couldn't care less what TV season it is supposed to be part of.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jan 15, 2017 9:35:44 GMT
Tom Baker as the Doctor, Lalla Ward as Romana in a adventure with Jago & Litefoot...enough said.
Loved it, 60 minutes of pure adventurous hokum with excellent performances all round, i just wish these stories were 75 minutes long to just add more to the drama.
Omit the CD extras & have them as a bonus disc on the last release of the season which would allocate a longer run time.
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Post by dorney on Jan 15, 2017 11:04:48 GMT
Tom Baker as the Doctor, Lalla Ward as Romana in a adventure with Jago & Litefoot...enough said. Loved it, 60 minutes of pure adventurous hokum with excellent performances all round, i just wish these stories were 75 minutes long to just add more to the drama. Omit the CD extras & have them as a bonus disc on the last release of the season which would allocate a longer run time. Wouldn't really work like that. The stories aren't as long as they are in order to make space for the extras, they're as long as they are because that's what's possible and practical to record and make in the time-frame. Move the extras to a bonus CD and you wouldn't have more story, you'd just have empty disc (see the box-sets - each Doom Coalition 3 story is about an hour, for example, even with a bonus disc).
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