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Post by Tim Bradley on Sept 15, 2016 11:06:32 GMT
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Post by Zagreus on Sept 15, 2016 15:45:12 GMT
I'd recommend moving In the Shadows up to where The Sin Eaters is, as it's framed as Gwen remembering a story from before Owen & Tosh's deaths, but other than that, looks good!
Quick question though, why is Tooth & Claw formatted like a cameo appearance rather than a full episode like the other Doctor Who episodes. I guess ditto for the Damaged Goods audio.
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Post by Zagreus on Sept 15, 2016 16:14:15 GMT
Okay more tidbits: Hidden should be after Broken, as Broken is where Ianto & Jack's relationship gets established, and that pops up in Hidden a bit.
Also, if you were to want to split it up, the 2007 portions of the Web of Lies, entitled "Missing Day" webcast either would I hazard be placed late Series 1, prior to Captain Jack/End of Days. The 2011 portions, entitled simply "Miracle Day", intersperse throughout the Miracle Day season. Web of Lies' episodes aired the day after each Miracle Day episode, so if you feel like inserting those that's where they go, more or less.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Sept 15, 2016 19:36:52 GMT
I'd recommend moving In the Shadows up to where The Sin Eaters is, as it's framed as Gwen remembering a story from before Owen & Tosh's deaths, but other than that, looks good! Quick question though, why is Tooth & Claw formatted like a cameo appearance rather than a full episode like the other Doctor Who episodes. I guess ditto for the Damaged Goods audio. Thanks srandom. Your tidbets of information have been very helpful. I've amended the timeline to match what you've suggested. I've also done the same with Captain Jack's Timeline. Regarding 'Tooth & Claw', I consider that the starting point of where Torchwood begins at the end of the episode. The Torchwood Institute isn't formed until the very end by Queen Victoria, so Torchwood doesn't really appear in the episode despite the house in Scotland being called Torchwood House anyway. Also with 'Damaged Goods', it's only a passing reference made to the Seventh Doctor by another character, so it doesn't have a full involvement of Torchwood in the actual story. It's also unclear which Torchwood it is, as it could be either One, Two, Three or Four. Originally in the novel, it wasn't Torchwood as it was something else entirely called The Brotherhood, I think. Thanks again. Tim.
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Post by avgjoefriday on Nov 20, 2016 16:03:55 GMT
The Torchwood Archive audio went all over the timeline and I am kind of lost where each piece fits in. Looking forward to how you place those events!
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Post by Tim Bradley on Nov 21, 2016 8:01:39 GMT
Hello everyone! If anyone can suggest placements for where 'The Torchwood Archive' goes in this version of 'The Torchwood Timeline', that would be much appreciated. Tim.
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Post by Zagreus on Nov 21, 2016 18:48:03 GMT
Hello everyone! If anyone can suggest placements for where 'The Torchwood Archive' goes in this version of 'The Torchwood Timeline', that would be much appreciated. Tim. I am actually in the process of putting together notes on this! Will hopefully have them compiled and inserted into my own timelines sometime soon. I'll post here when they're ready
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Post by Zagreus on Nov 22, 2016 3:01:07 GMT
Okay! Stuff from The Archive and Outbreak here:
1897 - Archie, head of Torchwood London, hooks up an alien biocomputer to a keyboard and begins The Torchwood Archive. The first object recorded, Object One, is a small locket, The Red Key, a present from the Czar.
1899 - later in the day after the events of The Victorian Age, Queen Victoria records a speech for the Torchwood Institute on its 20th anniversary
circa 1900 - Victoria records a message relating the origins of The Committee and their gift to Torchwood, The Red Key, relating how it was given to the Tsar of Russia, who gave it to her. She had it archived, and, when Jack told her what it was, she told him to get rid of it.
circa 1900 - Jack has been given the Red Key by Victoria, and is told to chuck in it The Rift. He doesn't. Instead he takes it back to Cardiff, hoping that its effects on local space-time will atract the attention of The Doctor. The Queen passes away a year or so later.
1902 - Archie is still archiving objects.
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1914 - Jack finds that horrible fetid creatures have been eating the sailors of Cardiff. They are called Weevils by the locals. Jack intimates that The Red Key had something to do with their coming, and chucks the Red Key into the Rift in an effort to stem The Weevil scourge. Jack feels responsible, for not having gotten rid of the thing when he was originally asked to.
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1924 - After pilfering the artifacts of Torchwood India, Jack is sent the Red Key as a malicious "gift" (he having intentionally left it behind), the Duchess being rather cross with him.
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1953 - Norton Folgate offloads the Red Key onto The Mandrake Organization in exchange for an alien interface device, making them think it was a Torchwood operation, when he was instead doing this for The Committee, who have some new drug product they want to test out... (this is after the events of Ghost Mission from Norton's POV)
1955 - Norton Fulgate and Jack Harkness are involved with the disastrous trial run of the Good Thinking Virus. The project is shelved. (Torchwood: Outbreak)
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1961 - Archie turns 100, and marvels at modern technology, and how it is quickly catching up to the biocomputer in the basement. He is still archiving.
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New Year's Eve 1999 - Alex Hopkins, head of Torchwood Three, is given the Red Key by a mysterious little girl (who later shows up in Dead Man Walking). It reveals to him visions of Children of Earth, Miracle Day, and beyond. He kills his team, in an effort to spare them the horrors he has seen.
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2004 - Suzie Costello calls Yvonne Hartman after finding The Red Key in a weird sex doll factory in Aber Falls, Wales. The factory belonged to Ovid, and was run by one Miss Trent. Suzie (and Jack) trick Yvonne into taking The Red Key to Torchwood London. Yvonne remarks that this was probably the beginning of the fall of Torchwood (small prologue to Before the Fall, perhaps?)
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2007 - during the events of Doomsday, Ianto is given The Red Key by a dying coworker as he desperately searches for his girlfriend Lisa. It is implied that The Red Key may have contributed to the catastrophe.
2007 - A week after the events of The Committee (the audio), Gwen goes and has a talk with Madeline, a journalist who has a committee member trapped in a tumor in her head, in an effort to figure out what Jack was on about.
2007 - sometime after the events of Uncanny Valley, Eve Trent calls Torchwood to confess about Ovid and their dealings with The Committee. She asks Jack to look after her dog as Committee agents come to silence her.
2007 - prior to the events of Zone 10, but after Uncanny Valley, Ivan Putin, agent of the KVI (the Russian equivalent of Torchwood), complains about having to go tell some influential people that their lovers are Ovid sex dolls controlled by The Committee.
2007 - A week or so after the events of Zone 10, Toshiko Sato gets smashed at a bar and recounts her experiments with The Red Key before tossing it into an alternate dimension and retconning her and the barman's memories away.
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2008 - During the events of Prose: The Twilight Streets (I think?), Archie is still archiving, now at Torchwood Two, when he is interrupted by a call from Owen.
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2009 - PC Andy has a date, and fails to impress a woman with stories of his Torchwood contacts. (her own story may be a reference to a book or audio that I'm just not getting right now)
2009 - a bit prior to the events of Ghost Train, Rhys doesn't know he's doing a job for The Committee, as shipments of fridge parts keep coming in for some reason.
2009 - The Good Thinking Virus gets out, causing an epidemic in Cardiff. The city comes under quarentine. (Outbreak)
(as far as the 2009 stuff goes, I'd set Outbreak between Ghost Mission and The Lost Files, personally)
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2017 - Mr Colchester, of Torchwood, makes a report about visiting The Committee in an old people's home on Cathedral Rode
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sometime in the far future - Jeremiah Bash Henderson visits the Torchwood Archive, asking about its history, and the history of The Red Key.
There's one or two other small scenes, but they're hard to place, as there's not much context.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Nov 22, 2016 10:57:49 GMT
Hello everyone! If anyone can suggest placements for where 'The Torchwood Archive' goes in this version of 'The Torchwood Timeline', that would be much appreciated. Tim. I am actually in the process of putting together notes on this! Will hopefully have them compiled and inserted into my own timelines sometime soon. I'll post here when they're ready Thanks SRandom for your helpful suggestions on where scenes from 'The Torchwood Archive' and 'Outbreak' audios takes place in 'The Torchwood Timeline'. There are certainly a lot of them, aren't there?
I've added your suggestions to the timeline as best as I can on my blog. Let me know if you have any queries about the placements I've made to your suggestions on the timeline.
Tim.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 23:02:05 GMT
Tim Bradley, I think Torchwood One: Before The Fall Takes place before Alien's of London/World War 3 and The Christmas Invasion on the timeline, as there is a mention of christmas shopping in one of the episodes. Cheers.
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Post by Digi on Jan 22, 2017 23:52:53 GMT
Tim Bradley , I think Torchwood One: Before The Fall Takes place before Alien's of London/World War 3 and The Christmas Invasion on the timeline, as there is a mention of christmas shopping in one of the episodes. Cheers. It most definitely does. In the audio it's repeatedly said that the year is 2005. When Rose and Nine return to "today" in Aliens of London, the year is 2006. What I'm not 100% clear on is when Before the Fall falls relative to One Rule, which is also set in 2005. Although I am inclined to think it comes after, as One Rule Yvonne is in the field, while BTF Yvonne is (at least at the start) a desk-jockey administrator.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 6:43:37 GMT
The Conspiracy and Fall to Earth seem to go just after Cyberwoman. I've just listened to Fall to Earth and Ianto is trying to get the team to trust him again after his actions in Cyberwoman. He also references Jack being missing so the two could even be concurrent.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Jan 23, 2017 8:17:16 GMT
Tim Bradley , I think Torchwood One: Before The Fall Takes place before Alien's of London/World War 3 and The Christmas Invasion on the timeline, as there is a mention of christmas shopping in one of the episodes. Cheers. Thanks Masterdoctor!
Tim.
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Post by TommyP on Jan 23, 2017 11:04:14 GMT
Tim Bradley , I think Torchwood One: Before The Fall Takes place before Alien's of London/World War 3 and The Christmas Invasion on the timeline, as there is a mention of christmas shopping in one of the episodes. Cheers. It most definitely does. In the audio it's repeatedly said that the year is 2005. When Rose and Nine return to "today" in Aliens of London, the year is 2006. What I'm not 100% clear on is when Before the Fall falls relative to One Rule, which is also set in 2005. Although I am inclined to think it comes after, as One Rule Yvonne is in the field, while BTF Yvonne is (at least at the start) a desk-jockey administrator.
Yeah Before The Fall, Is very much set after One Rule, as there is a conversation between Yvonne & Ianto that happens on Track 6 of New Girl. Where Yvonne asks Ianto if they have had any word from a Mr Jackson! hmm, before going on to say that she my have to pay him another visit... Maybe she needs to stick a knife in his other leg...
For Queen And Country TommyP
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Post by kastoniago on Jan 23, 2017 23:35:26 GMT
Is it ever established in More Than This or Made You Look that Jack has returned to Earth? I've not read them, but I'm assuming that World Without Time comic involves Jack Harkness returning to Earth and re-establishes Torchwood with Gwen. My assumption was that Gwen was on the way to reforming Torchwood in the former audios, and the timeline has the comics coming after with Jack rejoining Torchwood. Can anyone shed any light on this?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 12:07:55 GMT
Is it ever established in More Than This or Made You Look that Jack has returned to Earth? I've not read them, but I'm assuming that World Without Time comic involves Jack Harkness returning to Earth and re-establishes Torchwood with Gwen. My assumption was that Gwen was on the way to reforming Torchwood in the former audios, and the timeline has the comics coming after with Jack rejoining Torchwood. Can anyone shed any light on this? I've not heard those titles, but in the BBC audiobook Mr Invincible, Jack has been spending time off-world post Miracle Day and returns to Earth to save Gwen.
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Post by kastoniago on Jan 29, 2017 11:56:29 GMT
Is it ever established in More Than This or Made You Look that Jack has returned to Earth? I've not read them, but I'm assuming that World Without Time comic involves Jack Harkness returning to Earth and re-establishes Torchwood with Gwen. My assumption was that Gwen was on the way to reforming Torchwood in the former audios, and the timeline has the comics coming after with Jack rejoining Torchwood. Can anyone shed any light on this? I've not heard those titles, but in the BBC audiobook Mr Invincible, Jack has been spending time off-world post Miracle Day and returns to Earth to save Gwen. I'm aware of that. Mr Invincible takes place not too long after Miracle Day. My assumption is the chronology of stories post-Miracle Day is: Army of One - Fallout - Red Skies - Mr Invincible. Then followed by the BBC book, Exodus Code.
What I'm asking is, do the Titan comics take place before or after the aforementioned Big Finish audios, which involve Gwen re-establishing Torchwood?
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jan 30, 2017 13:18:09 GMT
I've not heard those titles, but in the BBC audiobook Mr Invincible, Jack has been spending time off-world post Miracle Day and returns to Earth to save Gwen. I'm aware of that. Mr Invincible takes place not too long after Miracle Day. My assumption is the chronology of stories post-Miracle Day is: Army of One - Fallout - Red Skies - Mr Invincible. Then followed by the BBC book, Exodus Code.
What I'm asking is, do the Titan comics take place before or after the aforementioned Big Finish audios, which involve Gwen re-establishing Torchwood?
Well the Titan Comics take place after Exodus Code as the characters from that appear in the comics
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Post by nitronine on Jan 30, 2017 20:33:20 GMT
Is it ever established in More Than This or Made You Look that Jack has returned to Earth? I've not read them, but I'm assuming that World Without Time comic involves Jack Harkness returning to Earth and re-establishes Torchwood with Gwen. My assumption was that Gwen was on the way to reforming Torchwood in the former audios, and the timeline has the comics coming after with Jack rejoining Torchwood. Can anyone shed any light on this? I've only read the first issue (I'm waiting for the collected edition), but in it Gwen is said to be the acting head of Torchwood Cardiff so it's at least after Forgotten Lives. I don't remember Jack being mentioned as back in More Than This or Made You look so it's likely after them as well but I could be wrong.
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Post by kastoniago on Feb 4, 2017 19:56:59 GMT
Is it ever established in More Than This or Made You Look that Jack has returned to Earth? I've not read them, but I'm assuming that World Without Time comic involves Jack Harkness returning to Earth and re-establishes Torchwood with Gwen. My assumption was that Gwen was on the way to reforming Torchwood in the former audios, and the timeline has the comics coming after with Jack rejoining Torchwood. Can anyone shed any light on this? I've only read the first issue (I'm waiting for the collected edition), but in it Gwen is said to be the acting head of Torchwood Cardiff so it's at least after Forgotten Lives. I don't remember Jack being mentioned as back in More Than This or Made You look so it's likely after them as well but I could be wrong. Thanks, that is what I suspected, but I just wanted confirmation.
Also, shouldn't Torchwood One: Before the Fall come between One Rule and Moving Targets (and Owen's Fragment flashback)? Moving Target takes place on November 2006, whereas Before the Fall is in 2005, after One Rule. And I'm sure Owen joined earlier in 2006 than November!
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