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Post by Tim Bradley on Dec 6, 2016 12:07:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 13:08:10 GMT
Could we also possibly make an argument for The Cabinet of Light as well? The Doctor's identity there is certainly (and quite deliberately) left ambiguous, but I think there's enough in his physical descriptions and mannerisms to imply that he's the newly regenerated REG Doctor.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Dec 20, 2016 6:12:26 GMT
I think the REG Doctor is the Doctor from a universe where there is/was no Time War.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 13:33:04 GMT
I think the REG Doctor is the Doctor from a universe where there is/was no Time War. Not a bad theory actually, I always tend to go for the future undisclosed incarnation route myself. In hindsight, the throwaway line about Andy Warhol wanting to paint all nine of him could easily have been a reference to Eccleston's portrayal of the character rather than himself. Although there's nothing to prove it, I rather like the idea that the Doctor's unseen masters aren't the Time Lords as we might expect, but actually the Daleks who have gained a little wisdom about the nature of time.
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Post by constonks on Dec 20, 2016 15:19:56 GMT
I personally like that the REG Doctor is the lost incarnation that John Hurt replaced, but as for Cabinet of Light, I don't think it gels - the book says that the Doctor isn't a tall man, which REG most certainly is.
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Post by sailorhaumea on Dec 20, 2016 19:15:08 GMT
I personally like that the REG Doctor is the lost incarnation that John Hurt replaced, but as for Cabinet of Light, I don't think it gels - the book says that the Doctor isn't a tall man, which REG most certainly is. I feel that Shalka is just a middle-aged War Doctor, sometime after the events of The Dalek Factor, but before the audio dramas. "Dr. Smith" (from Cabinet of Light) is a future incarnation. Not an alternate universe version, as Eccleston randomly shows up in The Albino's Dancer, referred to as "the navvie", helps out, and then leaves, giving no indication he's traversed universes, not even in the presence of other time travellers.
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Post by sailorhaumea on Dec 20, 2016 19:21:00 GMT
I think the REG Doctor is the Doctor from a universe where there is/was no Time War. Not a bad theory actually, I always tend to go for the future undisclosed incarnation route myself. In hindsight, the throwaway line about Andy Warhol wanting to paint all nine of him could easily have been a reference to Eccleston's portrayal of the character rather than himself. Although there's nothing to prove it, I rather like the idea that the Doctor's unseen masters aren't the Time Lords as we might expect, but actually the Daleks who have gained a little wisdom about the nature of time. Thing is, there's an established backstory for Shalka. The Doctor marries the President's daughter. Someone attacks Gallifrey, so the Time Lords, with the exception of just a few, retreat into the Matrix, while the Master sacrifices himself to save them. The Doctor's impressed, and saves the Master by transferring his conscious to an android body. Unfortunately, the President's daughter is among the casualties. The Time Lords, now within the Matrix, send the Master/Doctor duo on missions. It's never specified WHO attacked Gallifrey, so I headcanon it as the Daleks - this is an attack that is part of the Last Great Time War. There are a few hints that Shalka happened in the main Doctor's past: -In The Time of the Doctor, Eleven mentions having an android boyfriend once. -The Twelfth Doctor mentions stealing the President's daughter. So, my opinion is that Shalka is just middle age for the War Doctor!
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Post by constonks on Dec 21, 2016 1:26:53 GMT
Is that backstory in the novelisation or is it just production info that never made it to a final product? Cause if so, it's not exactly established canon.
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Post by sailorhaumea on Dec 21, 2016 1:56:58 GMT
Is that backstory in the novelisation or is it just production info that never made it to a final product? Cause if so, it's not exactly established canon. I think it's in the novelization - I'd have to check.
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Post by sherlock on Dec 21, 2016 10:08:25 GMT
It was set out in a DWM feature on it and apparently the people behind Scream had actually told prospective writers never to refer to it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 10:16:07 GMT
Is that backstory in the novelisation or is it just production info that never made it to a final product? Cause if so, it's not exactly established canon. I'd argue that Shalka isn't established 'canon' anyway... so with unbound stuff people can add whatever they want too.
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Post by sailorhaumea on Jan 14, 2017 7:21:54 GMT
Billy, I'd just treat Shalka Doctor as a future incarnation. Nothing in the three stories says he's the ninth incarnation...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 7:45:57 GMT
Billy, I'd just treat Shalka Doctor as a future incarnation. Nothing in the three stories says he's the ninth incarnation... The only bit that would is his off-the-cuff remark about Andy Warhol wanting to "paint all nine" of him and that's malleable enough to mean that he met him during that particular era of his life as the Sixth Doctor met Charles Darwin or the First Doctor met Richard the Lionheart.
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Post by sailorhaumea on Jan 25, 2017 22:14:34 GMT
Looking at the novelization, that outright says he's the ninth. When the Doctor arrives, it explains regeneration, then says: "This form was his ninth."
So, I guess all our fan theories are wrong...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 22:27:49 GMT
Looking at the novelization, that outright says he's the ninth. When the Doctor arrives, it explains regeneration, then says: "This form was his ninth." So, I guess all our fan theories are wrong... True, but then there's always the possibility of us treating it like the Target novelisations. According to The Doomsday Weapon, Jo never met the Doctor before the events on Uxarius, the First Doctor changed into the second using a sleep compressor in The Tenth Planet, Ben and Polly are from and Ian and Barbara met at a car crash on Barnes Common the night that Susan retreated to the TARDIS for The Daleks. That's not even getting into how that every single time the Ninth, Tenth or Eleventh Doctors were mentioned to be in such-and-such an incarnation, they're technically wrong now...
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Post by sailorhaumea on Jan 26, 2017 17:55:30 GMT
Looking at the novelization, that outright says he's the ninth. When the Doctor arrives, it explains regeneration, then says: "This form was his ninth." So, I guess all our fan theories are wrong... True, but then there's always the possibility of us treating it like the Target novelisations. According to The Doomsday Weapon, Jo never met the Doctor before the events on Uxarius, the First Doctor changed into the second using a sleep compressor in The Tenth Planet, Ben and Polly are from and Ian and Barbara met at a car crash on Barnes Common the night that Susan retreated to the TARDIS for The Daleks. That's not even getting into how that every single time the Ninth, Tenth or Eleventh Doctors were mentioned to be in such-and-such an incarnation, they're technically wrong now... But the Shalka novelization never contradicts. It just expands on what's in the webcast.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Jan 26, 2017 18:24:56 GMT
I feel that Shalka is just a middle-aged War Doctor, sometime after the events of The Dalek Factor, but before the audio dramas. " It's an interesting idea. If 'his' Gallifrey is from a period of the Time War that got undone, and if (say) he became a vampire temporarily to cement a Time Lord/undead alliance against the Time Lords causing him to adopt this weird look and manner that everybody who watched the webcast thought was vampiry.... yes, I reckon this could work.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 0:18:03 GMT
True, but then there's always the possibility of us treating it like the Target novelisations. According to The Doomsday Weapon, Jo never met the Doctor before the events on Uxarius, the First Doctor changed into the second using a sleep compressor in The Tenth Planet, Ben and Polly are from and Ian and Barbara met at a car crash on Barnes Common the night that Susan retreated to the TARDIS for The Daleks. That's not even getting into how that every single time the Ninth, Tenth or Eleventh Doctors were mentioned to be in such-and-such an incarnation, they're technically wrong now... But the Shalka novelization never contradicts. It just expands on what's in the webcast. Now that's true, it does more or less match up with what happened on screen. However, it does still leave us with the issue that he looks and acts almost nothing like John Hurt's incarnation. I don't think the Hurndell explanation is really going to cover this one.
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Post by sherlock on Jan 27, 2017 0:28:40 GMT
But the Shalka novelization never contradicts. It just expands on what's in the webcast. Now that's true, it does more or less match up with what happened on screen. However, it does still leave us with the issue that he looks and acts almost nothing like John Hurt's incarnation. I don't think the Hurndell explanation is really going to cover this one. One theory-He's an alternate timeline where the Time War never started. The circumstances of his eighth regeneration were without the Sisterhood's potion, hence the different body to the 'proper' ninth incarnation. Following whatever happened around his regeneration he's left moody, with TARDIS to match, and with the Master in an android body. This entire timeline was negated when the Time War kicked off (given its a Time War it's not too have of a stretch to suggest it completely altered time)
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Post by sailorhaumea on Jan 27, 2017 0:28:42 GMT
I'm no longer saying he's War. I'm saying he may be from a different timeline or universe.
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