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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 0:46:39 GMT
Now that's true, it does more or less match up with what happened on screen. However, it does still leave us with the issue that he looks and acts almost nothing like John Hurt's incarnation. I don't think the Hurndell explanation is really going to cover this one. One theory-He's an alternate timeline where the Time War never started. The circumstances of his eighth regeneration were without the Sisterhood's potion, hence the different body to the 'proper' ninth incarnation. Following whatever happened around his regeneration he's left moody, with TARDIS to match, and with the Master in an android body. This entire timeline was negated when the Time War kicked off (given its a Time War it's not too have of a stretch to suggest it completely altered time) The Time War is a very difficult thing to write a cohesive and digestible timeline for because it exists specifically to mess up any notion of continuity. My theory about the John Hurt incarnation was that he didn't exist until the events of The Name of the Doctor when his eleventh self entered his own timestream on Trenzalore and created an embolic "bubble" that caused what we saw in Night and was later resolved in Day. Basically, it's the next step to Interference where not only did the Doctor's place of death change, but the incarnation he changed into as well. I got it from a poem called Antigonish a.k.a The Little Man Who Wasn't There. The Shalka Doctor does strike me as having a much simpler explanation by comparison; i.e. that he is an Unbound Doctor like David Warner, Geoffrey Bayldon, David Collings. Tying that together, I reckon that during the Time War, the Doctor didn't have a properly stable timeline as we recognise it. I suspect that there were incarnations popping in and out at random depending on whatever piece of temporal weaponry was being used on the battlefield at the time. He could be another one of those quantum ghosts, existing in that split moment before the box was opened and the probability wave collapsed. Once the Moment was used, everything crashed down and we got a solid canon again, one which the REG incarnation wasn't a part of.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Sept 27, 2018 8:39:03 GMT
Hello everyone! I've added Alison's timeline with the Shalka Doctor's timeline. Tim.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Sept 27, 2018 9:07:08 GMT
I’d have suggested Shalka as being a future Warner, except he seems to be stuck in the “prime” universe now.
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Post by Ian McArdell on Sept 27, 2018 9:11:54 GMT
One theory-He's an alternate timeline where the Time War never started. The circumstances of his eighth regeneration were without the Sisterhood's potion, hence the different body to the 'proper' ninth incarnation. Following whatever happened around his regeneration he's left moody, with TARDIS to match, and with the Master in an android body. This entire timeline was negated when the Time War kicked off (given its a Time War it's not too have of a stretch to suggest it completely altered time) The Time War is a very difficult thing to write a cohesive and digestible timeline for because it exists specifically to mess up any notion of continuity. My theory about the John Hurt incarnation was that he didn't exist until the events of The Name of the Doctor when his eleventh self entered his own timestream on Trenzalore and created an embolic "bubble" that caused what we saw in Night and was later resolved in Day. Basically, it's the next step to Interference where not only did the Doctor's place of death change, but the incarnation he changed into as well. I got it from a poem called Antigonish a.k.a The Little Man Who Wasn't There. The Shalka Doctor does strike me as having a much simpler explanation by comparison; i.e. that he is an Unbound Doctor like David Warner, Geoffrey Bayldon, David Collings. Tying that together, I reckon that during the Time War, the Doctor didn't have a properly stable timeline as we recognise it. I suspect that there were incarnations popping in and out at random depending on whatever piece of temporal weaponry was being used on the battlefield at the time. He could be another one of those quantum ghosts, existing in that split moment before the box was opened and the probability wave collapsed. Once the Moment was used, everything crashed down and we got a solid canon again, one which the REG incarnation wasn't a part of. I like this... but I'm going with the notion that the REG Doctor temporarily popped into existence as the Great intelligence (wearing the countenance of Doctor Simeon) infected the Doctor's timestream - before Clara jumped in and undid everything. A sort of temporal cartoonish fever dream of the Eleventh Doctor's as he was being unwritten and was desperately trying to hold on to life and his friends were disappearing around him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 9:34:49 GMT
The Time War is a very difficult thing to write a cohesive and digestible timeline for because it exists specifically to mess up any notion of continuity. My theory about the John Hurt incarnation was that he didn't exist until the events of The Name of the Doctor when his eleventh self entered his own timestream on Trenzalore and created an embolic "bubble" that caused what we saw in Night and was later resolved in Day. Basically, it's the next step to Interference where not only did the Doctor's place of death change, but the incarnation he changed into as well. I got it from a poem called Antigonish a.k.a The Little Man Who Wasn't There. The Shalka Doctor does strike me as having a much simpler explanation by comparison; i.e. that he is an Unbound Doctor like David Warner, Geoffrey Bayldon, David Collings. Tying that together, I reckon that during the Time War, the Doctor didn't have a properly stable timeline as we recognise it. I suspect that there were incarnations popping in and out at random depending on whatever piece of temporal weaponry was being used on the battlefield at the time. He could be another one of those quantum ghosts, existing in that split moment before the box was opened and the probability wave collapsed. Once the Moment was used, everything crashed down and we got a solid canon again, one which the REG incarnation wasn't a part of. I like this... but I'm going with the notion that the REG Doctor temporarily popped into existence as the Great intelligence (wearing the countenance of Doctor Simeon) infected the Doctor's timestream - before Clara jumped in and undid everything. A sort of temporal cartoonish fever dream of the Eleventh Doctor's as he was being unwritten and was desperately trying to hold on to life and his friends were disappearing around him. Thanks, and that's an equally valid interpretation. I think nowadays my headcanon chalks up the REG Doctor as one of his future lives (the "all nine of me" comment about Warhol being about when he first met him). I've grown rather attached to the notion that there are tonnes of Doctors floating about space-and-time that we're not properly acquainted with just yet (e.g. two/three incarnations of Merlin, the AudioVisuals Doctor, Nick Scovill's Doctor, etc). Incarnations that tend to hang around on the older end of the timescale nearer to the 200th century than the 20th.
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Post by xlozdob on Sept 27, 2018 9:35:05 GMT
One theory-He's an alternate timeline where the Time War never started. The circumstances of his eighth regeneration were without the Sisterhood's potion, hence the different body to the 'proper' ninth incarnation. Following whatever happened around his regeneration he's left moody, with TARDIS to match, and with the Master in an android body. This entire timeline was negated when the Time War kicked off (given its a Time War it's not too have of a stretch to suggest it completely altered time) The Time War is a very difficult thing to write a cohesive and digestible timeline for because it exists specifically to mess up any notion of continuity. My theory about the John Hurt incarnation was that he didn't exist until the events of The Name of the Doctor when his eleventh self entered his own timestream on Trenzalore and created an embolic "bubble" that caused what we saw in Night and was later resolved in Day. Basically, it's the next step to Interference where not only did the Doctor's place of death change, but the incarnation he changed into as well. I got it from a poem called Antigonish a.k.a The Little Man Who Wasn't There. The Shalka Doctor does strike me as having a much simpler explanation by comparison; i.e. that he is an Unbound Doctor like David Warner, Geoffrey Bayldon, David Collings. Tying that together, I reckon that during the Time War, the Doctor didn't have a properly stable timeline as we recognise it. I suspect that there were incarnations popping in and out at random depending on whatever piece of temporal weaponry was being used on the battlefield at the time. He could be another one of those quantum ghosts, existing in that split moment before the box was opened and the probability wave collapsed. Once the Moment was used, everything crashed down and we got a solid canon again, one which the REG incarnation wasn't a part of. Now I need a Time War multi-Doctor story with a young War (played by Sam Riley, of course), REG (played by Richard E. Grant) and an EDA Eight Doctor (played by McGann). Throw in some Daleks, Faction Paradox and Time Lords for good measure and we'd have a solid six-parter right there
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 9:38:57 GMT
The Time War is a very difficult thing to write a cohesive and digestible timeline for because it exists specifically to mess up any notion of continuity. My theory about the John Hurt incarnation was that he didn't exist until the events of The Name of the Doctor when his eleventh self entered his own timestream on Trenzalore and created an embolic "bubble" that caused what we saw in Night and was later resolved in Day. Basically, it's the next step to Interference where not only did the Doctor's place of death change, but the incarnation he changed into as well. I got it from a poem called Antigonish a.k.a The Little Man Who Wasn't There. The Shalka Doctor does strike me as having a much simpler explanation by comparison; i.e. that he is an Unbound Doctor like David Warner, Geoffrey Bayldon, David Collings. Tying that together, I reckon that during the Time War, the Doctor didn't have a properly stable timeline as we recognise it. I suspect that there were incarnations popping in and out at random depending on whatever piece of temporal weaponry was being used on the battlefield at the time. He could be another one of those quantum ghosts, existing in that split moment before the box was opened and the probability wave collapsed. Once the Moment was used, everything crashed down and we got a solid canon again, one which the REG incarnation wasn't a part of. Now I need a Time War multi-Doctor story with a young War (played by Sam Riley, of course), REG (played by Richard E. Grant) and an EDA Eight Doctor (played by McGann). Throw in some Daleks, Faction Paradox and Time Lords for good measure and we'd have a solid six-parter right there Oh, the anarchy that could be unleashed in the span of six-parts... Could call it The Why of the Warrior.
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Post by xlozdob on Sept 27, 2018 10:15:45 GMT
Now I need a Time War multi-Doctor story with a young War (played by Sam Riley, of course), REG (played by Richard E. Grant) and an EDA Eight Doctor (played by McGann). Throw in some Daleks, Faction Paradox and Time Lords for good measure and we'd have a solid six-parter right there Oh, the anarchy that could be unleashed in the span of six-parts... Could call it The Why of the Warrior. Now that is just plain and simple genius!
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