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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Dec 15, 2016 13:52:32 GMT
This should be a legal requirement of Christmas Specials, otherwise calling them Christmas Specials is misleading. The government should have Ofcom regulate whether a special of anything is Christmassy enough and if it's not they should be simply referred to as 'Specials'. Does anyone else agree?
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Post by mark687 on Dec 15, 2016 14:10:40 GMT
This should be a legal requirement of Christmas Specials, otherwise calling them Christmas Specials is misleading. The government should have Ofcom regulate whether a special of anything is Christmassy enough and if it's not they should be simply referred to as 'Specials'. Does anyone else agree? I know you think in literal terms but maybe your stretching it a bit too far.
Its being broadcast at Christmas but that doesn't mean it has to have Santa, Mince Pies, Trees and Tinsel in every shot (if at all)
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Dec 15, 2016 14:17:23 GMT
I would love a Christmas Special that's more like the old MR James stories we used to get at Christmas
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Dec 15, 2016 14:54:56 GMT
This should be a legal requirement of Christmas Specials, otherwise calling them Christmas Specials is misleading. The government should have Ofcom regulate whether a special of anything is Christmassy enough and if it's not they should be simply referred to as 'Specials'. Does anyone else agree?
Its being broadcast Christmas Day but that doesn't mean it has to have Santa, Mince Pies, Trees and Tinsel in every shot (if at all)
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No, but it needs to be Christmassy. Not just mention Christmas.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 15:25:44 GMT
Christmassy is relative. On the planet of the turkey people Christmas will look very different
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 21:41:30 GMT
No. If it's a special episode of a TV show that is broadcast on Christmas Day, then it's a Christmas Special. Full stop! I don't need snow, snowmen, whirling Christmas trees or Santa's, but I do like an enjoyable story. Happy Christmas!
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Post by mrperson on Dec 15, 2016 22:23:23 GMT
I could do entirely without "Christmas Specials". I wouldn't even bother watching if it had to be about Christmas.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Dec 15, 2016 22:42:54 GMT
Yes, but Christmas in the U.K. is ice and snow, here's its hot as buggery. Dune is more Christmassy for Aussies than any of the Who Christmas Specials.
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Post by icecreamdf on Dec 19, 2016 5:15:56 GMT
Also, not everyone celebrates Christmas. I don't mind Doctor Who episodes being all about Christmas occassionally, but I don't think they should do it every year. A special for a non-Christian holiday also wouldn't be unwelcome.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 5:52:34 GMT
Also, not everyone celebrates Christmas. I don't mind Doctor Who episodes being all about Christmas occassionally, but I don't think they should do it every year. A special for a non-Christian holiday also wouldn't be unwelcome. I think you're making the mistake of supplanting American values onto the UK. It's not observed as a religious holiday by most - just over 10% of the country go to church and that figure drops annually - but you'd be hard pressed to find someone who isn't impacted by Christmas even if its just the time of year they see extended family or the like. It's a day off for for the entire country - there's no other day we all have off at the same time. There are no shops, no cinemas, no theatres,no sport, no supermarkets; the streets even of major cities are deserted so religious or not, gift-giving or not...I'd say most people indeed the vast majority celebrate it as the only guaranteed time off work each year regardless of faith and background. It's not really that much of a Christian thing in 2016. It's just what the nation does in December, shuts down for one lazy day. Doctor Who is just reflecting that every year, as does the rest of UK Christmas telly.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Dec 19, 2016 9:12:18 GMT
Also, not everyone celebrates Christmas. I don't mind Doctor Who episodes being all about Christmas occassionally, but I don't think they should do it every year. A special for a non-Christian holiday also wouldn't be unwelcome. There are no shops, no cinemas, no theatres,no sport, no supermarkets Actually, this year Odeon will be open on Christmas Day: www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/church-groups-accuse-odeon-ruining-9347180
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Post by omega on Dec 19, 2016 9:21:52 GMT
If it means trying to shoehorn Christmas elements to tick that box, I'm fine with the plot not screaming IT'S CHRISTMAS. SHUT UP SANTA! (line from Death in Blackpool). I recently took part in a Sci-Fi quiz with a Christmas theme, and so many of the episodes mentioned use the same stock plots. A Christmas Carol. It's a Wonderful Life. Kids teach the main character the meaning of Christmas. You can go all in a couple of times, but any more than that and it gets repetitive.
You want shoehorning in a seasonal element to remind the viewers it's a holiday special? Try the Tenth Doctor offering Lady Christina a chocolate egg. It comes out of nowhere, doesn't lead anywhere and is there just to remind us it's the Easter special.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Dec 19, 2016 10:06:13 GMT
You want shoehorning in a seasonal element to remind the viewers it's a holiday special? Try the Tenth Doctor offering Lady Christina a chocolate egg. It comes out of nowhere, doesn't lead anywhere and is there just to remind us it's the Easter special. I liked that. To me, it was a air-punching moment that Doctor Who acknowledged it was Easter.
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Post by omega on Dec 19, 2016 10:12:52 GMT
You want shoehorning in a seasonal element to remind the viewers it's a holiday special? Try the Tenth Doctor offering Lady Christina a chocolate egg. It comes out of nowhere, doesn't lead anywhere and is there just to remind us it's the Easter special. I liked that. To me, it was a air-punching moment that Doctor Who acknowledged it was Easter. But it was the only Easter reference in that episode. The Tenth Doctor could have offered a Christmas cracker if it were a Christmas special and it would make zero difference. As for Easter imagery, there's that moment in Voyage of the Damned where the Doctor is lifted by the Host, who resemble angels, to the deck to save the Titanic. There's also a resurrection of sorts.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Dec 19, 2016 10:20:50 GMT
I liked that. To me, it was a air-punching moment that Doctor Who acknowledged it was Easter. As for Easter imagery, there's that moment in Voyage of the Damned where the Doctor is lifted by the Host, who resemble angels, to the deck to save the Titanic. I'd say that's more Christmas then Easter.
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Post by omega on Dec 19, 2016 10:31:35 GMT
As for Easter imagery, there's that moment in Voyage of the Damned where the Doctor is lifted by the Host, who resemble angels, to the deck to save the Titanic. I'd say that's more Christmas then Easter. The Doctor's pose looks like Christ's Crucifixion pose. The cross is associated with Easter, specifically Black Friday when Christ was crucified. The Doctor comes back when no one expects it, like resurrection. He brings Astrid back, sort of, like Lazarus. The Doctor has himself been called Lazarus on different occasions. But always look on the bright side of life. *whistles*
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Post by bobod on Dec 19, 2016 10:44:23 GMT
You want shoehorning in a seasonal element to remind the viewers it's a holiday special? Try the Tenth Doctor offering Lady Christina a chocolate egg. It comes out of nowhere, doesn't lead anywhere and is there just to remind us it's the Easter special. No, not JUST to remind us of that. It's a joke. The whole point of the moment is that it's a shoe-horned in gag not going anywhere. It's *supposed* to be naff.
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Post by Ela on Dec 20, 2016 16:51:34 GMT
Also, not everyone celebrates Christmas. I don't mind Doctor Who episodes being all about Christmas occassionally, but I don't think they should do it every year. A special for a non-Christian holiday also wouldn't be unwelcome. I think you're making the mistake of supplanting American values onto the UK. It's not observed as a religious holiday by most - just over 10% of the country go to church and that figure drops annually - but you'd be hard pressed to find someone who isn't impacted by Christmas even if its just the time of year they see extended family or the like. It's a day off for for the entire country - there's no other day we all have off at the same time. There are no shops, no cinemas, no theatres,no sport, no supermarkets; the streets even of major cities are deserted so religious or not, gift-giving or not...I'd say most people indeed the vast majority celebrate it as the only guaranteed time off work each year regardless of faith and background. It's not really that much of a Christian thing in 2016. It's just what the nation does in December, shuts down for one lazy day. Doctor Who is just reflecting that every year, as does the rest of UK Christmas telly. You may be underestimating how it feels to be a member of a minority religion and having symbols of Xmas everywhere for months prior to the holiday, while being given a hard time about taking time off for one's own religious holidays.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 17:40:58 GMT
I think you're making the mistake of supplanting American values onto the UK. It's not observed as a religious holiday by most - just over 10% of the country go to church and that figure drops annually - but you'd be hard pressed to find someone who isn't impacted by Christmas even if its just the time of year they see extended family or the like. It's a day off for for the entire country - there's no other day we all have off at the same time. There are no shops, no cinemas, no theatres,no sport, no supermarkets; the streets even of major cities are deserted so religious or not, gift-giving or not...I'd say most people indeed the vast majority celebrate it as the only guaranteed time off work each year regardless of faith and background. It's not really that much of a Christian thing in 2016. It's just what the nation does in December, shuts down for one lazy day. Doctor Who is just reflecting that every year, as does the rest of UK Christmas telly. You may be underestimating how it feels to be a member of a minority religion and having symbols of Xmas everywhere for months prior to the holiday, while being given a hard time about taking time off for one's own religious holidays. Perhaps, but I was born and raised a member of a minority religion too but yet know I can't supplant my cultural values onto another country in another continent. Doctor Who having Christmas specials is because of it's place in British culture where, as I say above, few people are practicing Christians. Christmas is less a religious event in 2016 and more a cultural one - at least in the UK. I don't pretend to speak to the experiences of anyone from another country but would hope you recognise that you can't do the same. The issues you face as Americans who aren't Christians are not always going to be relevant to the culture of a TV show made in Wales starring and produced by Scotsmen and paid for by largely English folk. As for taking time off for your own religious holidays - again, it's not something that's ever been a big issue here where we have 28 paid days holiday a year guaranteed by law. Once more - cultural differences. We're discussing a British show that is shown at a time of year that reflects the fact that's when British shows have "specials". We don't have Thanksgiving episodes, we don't have Halloween specials, we don't have Easter episodes - if you're getting a special for your UK show, it's going to be a Christmas one. Doctor Who having Christmas specials is only reflecting that.
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Post by muckypup on Dec 20, 2016 17:50:38 GMT
I think you're making the mistake of supplanting American values onto the UK. It's not observed as a religious holiday by most - just over 10% of the country go to church and that figure drops annually - but you'd be hard pressed to find someone who isn't impacted by Christmas even if its just the time of year they see extended family or the like. It's a day off for for the entire country - there's no other day we all have off at the same time. There are no shops, no cinemas, no theatres,no sport, no supermarkets; the streets even of major cities are deserted so religious or not, gift-giving or not...I'd say most people indeed the vast majority celebrate it as the only guaranteed time off work each year regardless of faith and background. It's not really that much of a Christian thing in 2016. It's just what the nation does in December, shuts down for one lazy day. Doctor Who is just reflecting that every year, as does the rest of UK Christmas telly. You may be underestimating how it feels to be a member of a minority religion and having symbols of Xmas everywhere for months prior to the holiday, while being given a hard time about taking time off for one's own religious holidays. not really......tolerance of others beliefs is respected despite what the press try to make out. But why should one religious symbol be offensive to another. Surely we have risen above that for all but the most extreme individuals. as to taking holidays i am afraid that's just a problem with modern life, majority rules. In the UK we are hard pressed to keep even Christmas day a holiday, there is always someone wanting to open a supermarket on the off chance someone cannot manage for 24 hours without buying something. our local church does not have a service on Christmas day anymore! they have a day off! and have a Christmas eve blessings & a boxing day thanks. but Christmas in the UK its more akin to your thanksgiving than a religious celebration. i have Muslim, Sikh, Jewish, atheist and christian friends we all celebrate in the same way, cards to your friends, presents to the ones you care most about, turkey dinner with family and friends and a few days off mostly watching TV & eating too much. maybe not how it should be but that's what it has become.
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