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Post by mbt66 on Nov 7, 2015 21:51:43 GMT
The Eighth Doctor thought that one of the human monks was a time lord in the book of Kells and didn't recognise the timelord Monk.
So his recognition can not be perfect...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 2:05:59 GMT
People have speculated/begged about Big Finish doing a multi-Master story; or, rather, a Beevers/Macqueen story, since those are the only Masters that they've had access to recently. However, the fact that BF have admitted they have a licence right up to and including Matt Smith's era extends the possibilities somewhat. John Simm has, I believe, expressed a wish to play the Master again; and BF have worked with Derek Jacobi as well. For that matter, they could easily do Macqueen vs Hurt, or Jacobi vs Hurt. Or both. (But I'm still holding out for Beevers vs Jayston). I'd imagine Big Finish would probably want to focus on reintroducing Simm's Master before featuring him in any such release.
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Post by CookieMaster on Nov 8, 2015 5:24:46 GMT
To me, this seems like a perfect jumping on point for Simm Master stories post-EOT. He's clearly not supposed to be meeting Matt Smith's Doctor, but the idea of him breaking free of Gallifrey and seeking out a new way to regenerate seems irresistible to anyone who is a fan of the Beevers- type Master. There's also a tempting possibility whereby Simm's Master really could meet Smith's Doctor. In a sense, the linchpin of the Matt Smith era was that "Time can be rewritten", indeed if it were not for that sentiment then he would never have regenerated in 'Time of the Doctor', so before 'The Woman in the shop' there *could* have been a forgotten adventure yet to be told. Of course, this would rely on both Smith and Simm being willing to reprise their roles. But rewriting time doesn't affect the doctor's memory, so I can't see how a eleven/master encounter could work. I was thinking in the same fashion as 'The Light at the End', the finale could involve an eradication of a timeline. Nobody will remember that, and perhaps it could conveniently dovetail into the Master ending up on Karn or something.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 8:25:23 GMT
But rewriting time doesn't affect the doctor's memory, so I can't see how a eleven/master encounter could work. I was thinking in the same fashion as 'The Light at the End', the finale could involve an eradication of a timeline. Nobody will remember that, and perhaps it could conveniently dovetail into the Master ending up on Karn or something. OK yes, that could work for a one-off but I wouldn't want that to be overused.
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Post by CookieMaster on Nov 8, 2015 8:58:00 GMT
I was thinking in the same fashion as 'The Light at the End', the finale could involve an eradication of a timeline. Nobody will remember that, and perhaps it could conveniently dovetail into the Master ending up on Karn or something. OK yes, that could work for a one-off but I wouldn't want that to be overused. Yeah I completely agree, I can't imagine either Simm or Smith being around for tons of adventures anyway.
Saying that, I'd like to see the Simm Master vs Torchwood, the idea of the Master appearing in a spin-off series seems like something BF would do now. Perhaps they could work him into all that 'Three Families' business and conclude the Miracle Day arc.
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Post by ausir on Nov 12, 2015 13:02:34 GMT
He's appearing in a spin-off, but not in Torchwood. Beevers will appear as the Master in Jago & Litefoot series 11. As for the Three Families they were revealed in the BF audio to be controlled by the Committee of Erebus.
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Post by CookieMaster on Nov 12, 2015 13:22:10 GMT
He's appearing in a spin-off, but not in Torchwood. Beevers will appear as the Master in Jago & Litefoot series 11. That's why I hope that a new series Master might end up in a new series spin-off, seeing as we have a classic Master in a classic spin-off now, but I guess we'll see. I suppose we've had a wilderness Master in a wilderness spin-off already, in the form of MacQueen in UNIT Dominion. I am stretching the definition of 'wilderness' there though. Anyway, I wonder which Beevers Master it is in series 11, Traken, Dust or Mastermind?
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Post by ausir on Nov 12, 2015 13:29:21 GMT
And stretching the definition of "spin-off" a bit, given that "Dominion" is still a Doctor Who story.
As for which Master, I'd guess Traken, given J&L's connection to the Fourth Doctor era.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 13, 2015 17:10:41 GMT
He's appearing in a spin-off, but not in Torchwood. Beevers will appear as the Master in Jago & Litefoot series 11. That's why I hope that a new series Master might end up in a new series spin-off, seeing as we have a classic Master in a classic spin-off now, but I guess we'll see. I suppose we've had a wilderness Master in a wilderness spin-off already, in the form of MacQueen in UNIT Dominion. I am stretching the definition of 'wilderness' there though. I wouldn't be surprised if a new series Master appears in UNIT - The New Series. Can't imagine it happening in Torchwood though.
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Post by icecreamdf on Nov 14, 2015 0:54:24 GMT
He's appearing in a spin-off, but not in Torchwood. Beevers will appear as the Master in Jago & Litefoot series 11. That's why I hope that a new series Master might end up in a new series spin-off, seeing as we have a classic Master in a classic spin-off now, but I guess we'll see. I suppose we've had a wilderness Master in a wilderness spin-off already, in the form of MacQueen in UNIT Dominion. I am stretching the definition of 'wilderness' there though. Anyway, I wonder which Beevers Master it is in series 11, Traken, Dust or Mastermind?Traken seems to be the one they're using the most these days.
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Post by icecreamdf on Nov 14, 2015 0:57:41 GMT
That's why I hope that a new series Master might end up in a new series spin-off, seeing as we have a classic Master in a classic spin-off now, but I guess we'll see. I suppose we've had a wilderness Master in a wilderness spin-off already, in the form of MacQueen in UNIT Dominion. I am stretching the definition of 'wilderness' there though. I wouldn't be surprised if a new series Master appears in UNIT - The New Series. Can't imagine it happening in Torchwood though. It could make sense, since he and Jack met in Doctor Who. Maybe they can have Saxon show up as Minster of Defense in a story set during season 1, and not have Jack ever learn that he is the Master.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 14, 2015 18:31:06 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if a new series Master appears in UNIT - The New Series. Can't imagine it happening in Torchwood though. It could make sense, since he and Jack met in Doctor Who. Maybe they can have Saxon show up as Minster of Defense in a story set during season 1, and not have Jack ever learn that he is the Master. I just can't imagine John Simm's Master fitting Torchwood's tone, unless they made him darker and more in the vein of how John Simm wanted to play the part.
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Post by icecreamdf on Nov 14, 2015 19:49:37 GMT
It could make sense, since he and Jack met in Doctor Who. Maybe they can have Saxon show up as Minster of Defense in a story set during season 1, and not have Jack ever learn that he is the Master. I just can't imagine John Simm's Master fitting Torchwood's tone, unless they made him darker and more in the vein of how John Simm wanted to play the part. Or if they experimented with Torchwood a bit, and tried using different kinds of villains.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 14, 2015 19:57:45 GMT
I just can't imagine John Simm's Master fitting Torchwood's tone, unless they made him darker and more in the vein of how John Simm wanted to play the part. Or if they experimented with Torchwood a bit, and tried using different kinds of villains. I can't see them doing that for a while: until Torchwood has had a few Big Finish audios under its belt.
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Post by CookieMaster on Nov 14, 2015 21:53:22 GMT
It could make sense, since he and Jack met in Doctor Who. Maybe they can have Saxon show up as Minster of Defense in a story set during season 1, and not have Jack ever learn that he is the Master. I just can't imagine John Simm's Master fitting Torchwood's tone, unless they made him darker and more in the vein of how John Simm wanted to play the part. I think I'd prefer that to be honest, let John play the Master how he wants to. He's a fine actor but often gets lambasted for his portrayal.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 1:37:14 GMT
I just can't imagine John Simm's Master fitting Torchwood's tone, unless they made him darker and more in the vein of how John Simm wanted to play the part. I think I'd prefer that to be honest, let John play the Master how he wants to. He's a fine actor but often gets lambasted for his portrayal. Yeah, I've got to admit his rabid Master wasn't exactly one of my favourites. I think it took the idea of the Master being the Doctor's foil a little too far and forgot that he could be a character in his own right. It'd be interesting to see a different side to him, one that's a little less energised and a little more calculating
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Post by seeley on Nov 15, 2015 2:38:22 GMT
I think I'd prefer that to be honest, let John play the Master how he wants to. He's a fine actor but often gets lambasted for his portrayal. Yeah, I've got to admit his rabid Master wasn't exactly one of my favourites. I think it took the idea of the Master being the Doctor's foil a little too far and forgot that he could be a character in his own right. Though even that would be preferable to his stupid-silly-maniac portrayal in the End of Time.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 15, 2015 14:43:10 GMT
I just can't imagine John Simm's Master fitting Torchwood's tone, unless they made him darker and more in the vein of how John Simm wanted to play the part. I think I'd prefer that to be honest, let John play the Master how he wants to. He's a fine actor but often gets lambasted for his portrayal. Same here. I prefer the Master to be operating sinisterly behind the scenes as opposed to a raving lunatic.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 2:23:41 GMT
I think I'd prefer that to be honest, let John play the Master how he wants to. He's a fine actor but often gets lambasted for his portrayal. Same here. I prefer the Master to be operating sinisterly behind the scenes as opposed to a raving lunatic. I have a theory about that. Considering the amount of time and effort it would have taken to orchestrate the whole Saxon conspiracy, maybe the increasingly lunatic behaviour we saw in the television stories came a bit later as everything started to pull together and his body begin to ravage itself. We don't really see him in that period following his regeneration or before he assassinates his cabinet of ministers, so it's possible he really is a much more restrained individual like the Roger Delgado Master was before the events of The Deadly Assassin.
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Post by icecreamdf on Nov 17, 2015 3:32:00 GMT
Delgado is, of course, my favorite Master, but I do like the more bananas incarnations. Gomez and Simm both play much crazier versions of the Master, and I enjoy both of their performances.
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