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Post by icecreamdf on Oct 24, 2015 19:37:50 GMT
That just isn't the type of scifi that Doctor Who is though. The TARDIS and regeneration and all of the most important aspects of the show have nothing to do with real science. Doctor Who has always been more science-fantasy than science fiction.
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Post by kimalysong on Oct 24, 2015 20:00:16 GMT
Late reply I liked Maisie Williams character but I am a bit tired of the anachronistic silky history stories with aliens thrown in.
The last good historical we got in my opinion was Vincent & the Doctor. Okay it still had an alien but it focused more on Vincent and that is why it worked.
I actually did kind of like the Robin Hood story last year too because of the meta nature of it.
But can't we have a real historical story. Even if they have to have aliens can't I at least believe I am actually back in that time period not at a Reniassance Faire.
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Post by mrperson on Oct 26, 2015 16:17:09 GMT
That just isn't the type of scifi that Doctor Who is though. The TARDIS and regeneration and all of the most important aspects of the show have nothing to do with real science. Doctor Who has always been more science-fantasy than science fiction. I also tend to agree with the criticism of episodes like Kill The Moon, so I'll attempt to draw a distinction to explain. Talk of "time rotors" is perfectly fine because it doesn't directly contradict actual established physics; it's not that time travel is possible because the conservation of mass/energy is simply wrong. It's that there's more to the picture that we don't know about it. Meanwhile, lines like "reversing the polarity of the neutron flow" help give a sense that the character is doing something specific and technical to accomplish whatever the goal is, to stop it from feeling like it's just magic. It's "science fiction" in the sense of involving fictional scientific principles on top of the ones already known about. But then you have episodes like Kill the Moon which directly contradict established physics without any sort of explanation. It is simply impossible for the moon (egg) to simply gain mass. It is simply impossible for wings to work in space, yet, the hatched creature just plain flew away, wings beating. It is simply impossible for a creature to give birth to an egg larger than itself, immediately after hatching from an egg of that size. It's where the show fails to make any sense even on its own terms. Those are the kind of things that rub me the wrong way.
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Post by mrperson on Oct 26, 2015 16:18:22 GMT
Late reply I liked Maisie Williams character but I am a bit tired of the anachronistic silky history stories with aliens thrown in. The last good historical we got in my opinion was Vincent & the Doctor. Okay it still had an alien but it focused more on Vincent and that is why it worked. I actually did kind of like the Robin Hood story last year too because of the meta nature of it. But can't we have a real historical story. Even if they have to have aliens can't I at least believe I am actually back in that time period not at a Reniassance Faire. I'd love to see a straight historical like The Marian Conspiracy on the show, but I think Moffat is on record saying he thinks there should always be some sort of "monster" to fight....
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Post by Ela on Oct 26, 2015 18:42:33 GMT
Reversing the polarity of the neutron flow makes no sense scientifically. None. Just saying.
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Post by mrperson on Oct 26, 2015 20:21:54 GMT
Reversing the polarity of the neutron flow makes no sense scientifically. None. Just saying. Perhaps not the best example. But at worst, it's a throwaway line that isn't supposed to mean anything to begin with. =
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Post by icecreamdf on Oct 26, 2015 22:22:35 GMT
That just isn't the type of scifi that Doctor Who is though. The TARDIS and regeneration and all of the most important aspects of the show have nothing to do with real science. Doctor Who has always been more science-fantasy than science fiction. I also tend to agree with the criticism of episodes like Kill The Moon, so I'll attempt to draw a distinction to explain. Talk of "time rotors" is perfectly fine because it doesn't directly contradict actual established physics; it's not that time travel is possible because the conservation of mass/energy is simply wrong. It's that there's more to the picture that we don't know about it. Meanwhile, lines like "reversing the polarity of the neutron flow" help give a sense that the character is doing something specific and technical to accomplish whatever the goal is, to stop it from feeling like it's just magic. It's "science fiction" in the sense of involving fictional scientific principles on top of the ones already known about. But then you have episodes like Kill the Moon which directly contradict established physics without any sort of explanation. It is simply impossible for the moon (egg) to simply gain mass. It is simply impossible for wings to work in space, yet, the hatched creature just plain flew away, wings beating. It is simply impossible for a creature to give birth to an egg larger than itself, immediately after hatching from an egg of that size. It's where the show fails to make any sense even on its own terms. Those are the kind of things that rub me the wrong way. Maybe the moon is bigger on the inside.
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Post by Ela on Oct 26, 2015 22:33:32 GMT
Ha! That's a good one.
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Post by mrperson on Oct 27, 2015 2:23:20 GMT
mmmpfff!
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