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Post by whiskeybrewer on Feb 21, 2019 15:10:22 GMT
I felt it was a great ending. And you could end it in one of two places, which i thought was quite clever i always saw it as {Spoiler} The story of the Novels is the penultimate run around the wheel as it were. He's grown more on this particular journey than he has on others. So when it starts up again at the very end, Gan has granted him the Horn of Eld he'd left behind every other time. And thats where the movie picks up. Although they could have done that better Yeah,
{Spoiler} King does very strongly foreshadow that the next is likely to be the final pass. I suppose this is all what the oblique references to feeling a thousand years old meant, as well as all the references to characters knowing things but not knowing how.
Though I'd really rather King write the last loop rather than leave it to a short movie. At any rate, I feel the same way I do after finishing any great epic (ie, LOTR): all emptied out and soaked in introspection. {Spoiler} I cant remember if the movie was planned when he finished the series (probably was). But i think he left it that way so that the reader could have hope that Roland would finally be able to rest, now that certain things were out the way. Like i think that Roland's Son and the Crimson King are gone and now Roland has the Horn he can make the sound rather than the roses
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Post by mrperson on Feb 21, 2019 16:30:49 GMT
Editing spoiler tags can get screwy in a hurry...
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Post by mrperson on Feb 21, 2019 16:32:01 GMT
Yeah,
{Spoiler} King does very strongly foreshadow that the next is likely to be the final pass. I suppose this is all what the oblique references to feeling a thousand years old meant, as well as all the references to characters knowing things but not knowing how.
Though I'd really rather King write the last loop rather than leave it to a short movie. At any rate, I feel the same way I do after finishing any great epic (ie, LOTR): all emptied out and soaked in introspection. {Spoiler} I cant remember if the movie was planned when he finished the series (probably was). But i think he left it that way so that the reader could have hope that Roland would finally be able to rest, now that certain things were out the way. Like i think that Roland's Son and the Crimson King are gone and now Roland has the Horn he can make the sound rather than the roses
{Spoiler} I would expect that all the same obstacles are there each run, but he can and does react differently. (ie, perhaps the last time he pauses to save jake, as apparently he did the horn).
Consider: if the Crimson King is out of the picture on the last run, then nobody has collected breakers to attack the beams. And if nobody is doing that, Roland never gets the vision in the glass, therefore never decides that he must make finding the Tower the primary goal of his life, etc. Yet we see him returned to the desert, which came so many years after he looked into the glass.
Which kind of begs the question: what did Eddie, Susannah, and Jake ever do to deserve being caught up in his time loop, unaware or not? Or is the final pass their only real pass, with Roland being the only in a loop, rewriting and rewriting the same stretch of history?
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Post by mrperson on Feb 21, 2019 19:51:36 GMT
Anyway, I'm continuing my long march through Pratchett with "Thud!"
After that, I'll try something my wife keeps suggesting, "The Raj Quartet" (I don't have the individual volumes named, but there are four....obviously)
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Feb 22, 2019 12:00:54 GMT
{Spoiler} I cant remember if the movie was planned when he finished the series (probably was). But i think he left it that way so that the reader could have hope that Roland would finally be able to rest, now that certain things were out the way. Like i think that Roland's Son and the Crimson King are gone and now Roland has the Horn he can make the sound rather than the roses
{Spoiler} I would expect that all the same obstacles are there each run, but he can and does react differently. (ie, perhaps the last time he pauses to save jake, as apparently he did the horn).
Consider: if the Crimson King is out of the picture on the last run, then nobody has collected breakers to attack the beams. And if nobody is doing that, Roland never gets the vision in the glass, therefore never decides that he must make finding the Tower the primary goal of his life, etc. Yet we see him returned to the desert, which came so many years after he looked into the glass.
Which kind of begs the question: what did Eddie, Susannah, and Jake ever do to deserve being caught up in his time loop, unaware or not? Or is the final pass their only real pass, with Roland being the only in a loop, rewriting and rewriting the same stretch of history? I didnt think of that. Hmmmm plenty to consider
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Post by mrperson on Feb 23, 2019 1:31:09 GMT
{Spoiler} I would expect that all the same obstacles are there each run, but he can and does react differently. (ie, perhaps the last time he pauses to save jake, as apparently he did the horn).
Consider: if the Crimson King is out of the picture on the last run, then nobody has collected breakers to attack the beams. And if nobody is doing that, Roland never gets the vision in the glass, therefore never decides that he must make finding the Tower the primary goal of his life, etc. Yet we see him returned to the desert, which came so many years after he looked into the glass.
Which kind of begs the question: what did Eddie, Susannah, and Jake ever do to deserve being caught up in his time loop, unaware or not? Or is the final pass their only real pass, with Roland being the only in a loop, rewriting and rewriting the same stretch of history? I didnt think of that. Hmmmm plenty to consider You know.....this might be the only time in my life I write a fan letter. I've got it down from about 6 pages to about half a page, and probably want to condense it more. It's basically a thank you and here's one single example of why. (My profession requires condensation in the extreme, so I like to think I'm pretty good at it. I do NOT practice this skill on this board. Here I ramble). After all, chances are that he won't see it but will rather get an email "X fans said they loved this **** today, but this other guy" (not me) "thinks you're a #$(*&".
I once did the same with Moffat, but decided not to send it. Never even bothered trying to compose another.
We shall see. As strange as the tale is and as unlike other masterpieces I love (in terms of the eloquence of prose, which I love), it is compelling.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Feb 23, 2019 11:58:30 GMT
Warriors of the Storm by Bernard Cornwell
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There’s a horror movie called Alien? That’s really offensive. No wonder everyone keeps invading you.
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Post by shutupbanks on Feb 23, 2019 12:27:49 GMT
I've been ploughing through The Collected Letters by Dylan Thomas (edited by Paul Ferris) for the last couple of weeks. Under Milk Wood is my favourite play and possibly my favourite book and several of his poems are sublime but you could make a drinking game out of the number of times he begs someone for money, is unfaithful to his wife or talks about getting drunk. One of the most frustrating individuals in all of literature and one that is only remembered because other people saw his brilliance and cared enough about him and his family to ensure that he didn't starve.
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Post by melkur on Feb 24, 2019 0:54:00 GMT
Over the past couple of days I've been reading 'Torchwood: Exodus Code' (written by John Barrowman & his sister) aaaaaaaand it's alright, I guess?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 22:33:58 GMT
The Five by Hallie Rubenhold. A brilliant book that examines & gives voice to the lives of the women murdered by Jack the Ripper, rather than the usual conspiracy nonsense about the killer's identity.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Mar 8, 2019 19:35:30 GMT
Double Down by John Heilemann and Mark Halperin
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Post by Hieronymus on Mar 10, 2019 21:28:03 GMT
Now reading Wolves of the Calla (Dark Tower v.5) by Stephen King. I read the first four volumes about 12 years ago, and decided it was about time I finished the series.
Stephen King can certainly weave an engrossing yarn.
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Post by Hieronymus on Mar 10, 2019 21:34:57 GMT
So.....I'd read the first four installments of The Dark Tower series by Stephen King when I was younger... So anyway, I just found out there are now 8.5 (and I think complete...but don't answer to tell me if he's not done, please). Oddly, I didn't see this until I posted that I was reading vol. 5, so the coincidence is uncanny.
King wrote seven Dark Tower novels, and called the series complete, then afterwards wrote a "prequel" volume of stories and an in-between volume that slots between 4 & 5.
I'm told by my friends who've read the whole series that you can read the seven, without the latter additions, and that's what I'm doing.
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Post by newt5996 on Mar 10, 2019 23:29:49 GMT
Decided it was time to continue Discworld so I’m reading Small Gods. About 100 page in, I have to admit it’s a bit slower than the others but still has Pratchett’s charm and philosophical dissections.
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Post by aemiliapaula on Mar 10, 2019 23:55:21 GMT
Decided it was time to continue Discworld so I’m reading Small Gods. About 100 page in, I have to admit it’s a bit slower than the others but still has Pratchett’s charm and philosophical dissections. My favourite memory of that book is how the greatest mathematician in the Discworld is {Spoiler} A camel named You Bastard
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There’s a horror movie called Alien? That’s really offensive. No wonder everyone keeps invading you.
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Post by shutupbanks on Mar 11, 2019 11:26:02 GMT
Decided it was time to continue Discworld so I’m reading Small Gods. About 100 page in, I have to admit it’s a bit slower than the others but still has Pratchett’s charm and philosophical dissections. My favourite memory of that book is how the greatest mathematician in the Discworld is {Spoiler} A camel named You Bastard He's in Pyramids. #speakhisname
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Post by aemiliapaula on Mar 11, 2019 22:52:01 GMT
My favourite memory of that book is how the greatest mathematician in the Discworld is {Spoiler} A camel named You Bastard He's in Pyramids. #speakhisname I knew it was one of those earlier ones, well they're all good.
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Post by newt5996 on Mar 12, 2019 0:25:12 GMT
He's in Pyramids. #speakhisname I knew it was one of those earlier ones, well they're all good. It’s funny because I thought Pyramids was a weaker book
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There’s a horror movie called Alien? That’s really offensive. No wonder everyone keeps invading you.
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Post by shutupbanks on Mar 12, 2019 9:49:43 GMT
I knew it was one of those earlier ones, well they're all good. It’s funny because I thought Pyramids was a weaker book It's a weaker Discworld but a great book: as aemiliapaula said, they're all good.
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Post by Digi on Mar 12, 2019 11:51:33 GMT
Last week I read Star Wars: Queen’s Shadow by E.K. Johnston—a book set several years after Episode I and before Episode II, chronicling Padmé ending her reign as Queen of Naboo and transitioning into the role of Senator. Yesterday I started Margaret Atwood’s The Handmaid’s Tale, for the first time. I was actually supposed to read it as part of a university course years ago, but I was young and stupid, and drinking and partying often took priority over studies, so I just read a bit online and faked my way through that part of the course. Whoops.
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