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Post by nucleusofswarm on Mar 12, 2017 18:47:52 GMT
Thing is, I really do think SJWs as described in the first post barely exist. The term is more often used to label anyone who attempts to speak out about an injustice online. It's a term that people against equality use to try to discredit them. A woman who feels like she's not being taken seriously at work? Labeled an SJW. A person of color doesn't like all the police brutality that's going on? Labeled an SJW. On and on and on. So, no, I do not believe SJWs are equality's greatest threat. Sure there's a few who get a too riled up, but the number of people trying to shut down the movement for social justice and equality is far greater and far more dangerous. I would agree, but I've seen a lot of things in popular media and discussion that show these are not some tiny sub-minority on some subreddit. These guys are often the ones stealing attention from actual progress by complaining about trivial things that, literally, affect no one in any meaningful way. Ironically, Mary Whitehouse must be laughing from beyond the grave at these people. Swap out christianity with their warped version of political correctness, and it's like she never left.
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Post by christmastrenzalore on Mar 12, 2017 20:53:30 GMT
I don't really like lumping people into groups, including labelling people as SJW. Real tolerance should be engaging each other as individuals, rather than arguing past them with a preconceived notion of who they are and what they think. I do have some issues with political correctness and mass knee-jerk reactions; while often pragmatic, they're still inherently reductive broad ways of treating people. I find thoughtlessness and stubbornness are the route of the real problem, regardless of what views you hold. Its disheartening to see discussions where people make well-reasoned arguments, only to have it all shoved aside and reduced to crumby buzzwords as an easy way to disregard it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 1:51:43 GMT
I don't really like lumping people into groups, including labelling people as SJW. Real tolerance should be engaging each other as individuals, rather than arguing past them with a preconceived notion of who they are and what they think. I do have some issues with political correctness and mass knee-jerk reactions; while often pragmatic, they're still inherently reductive broad ways of treating people. I find thoughtlessness and stubbornness are the route of the real problem, regardless of what views you hold. Its disheartening to see discussions where people make well-reasoned arguments, only to have it all shoved aside and reduced to crumby buzzwords as an easy way to disregard it. Laziness seems a legitimate factor, although I think they've extended beyond buzzwords and have become thought-terminating clichés. The mind switches off and they retreat into this nonsense stock phrase that allows them to gorge on their own complacency. You can see it in those who think using a slur somehow empowers them against the victim. I roll my eyes because it's essentially just another repetition of wingnut, moonbat, hippie, elitist, etc; words that allow individuals to paint a large swathe of other individuals in a certain light and because that individual has a word for it, they're suddenly okay. It's all just terribly silly.
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There’s a horror movie called Alien? That’s really offensive. No wonder everyone keeps invading you.
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Post by shutupbanks on Mar 13, 2017 8:58:05 GMT
Thing is, I really do think SJWs as described in the first post barely exist. The term is more often used to label anyone who attempts to speak out about an injustice online. It's a term that people against equality use to try to discredit them. A woman who feels like she's not being taken seriously at work? Labeled an SJW. A person of color doesn't like all the police brutality that's going on? Labeled an SJW. On and on and on. So, no, I do not believe SJWs are equality's greatest threat. Sure there's a few who get a too riled up, but the number of people trying to shut down the movement for social justice and equality is far greater and far more dangerous. I would agree, but I've seen a lot of things in popular media and discussion that show these are not some tiny sub-minority on some subreddit. These guys are often the ones stealing attention from actual progress by complaining about trivial things that, literally, affect no one in any meaningful way. Ironically, Mary Whitehouse must be laughing from beyond the grave at these people. Swap out christianity with their warped version of political correctness, and it's like she never left. I react exactly the same to their opposite numbers on the far right whom I - personally, subjectively - find more worrisome in their attitudes towards some groups in our society. Extreme "SJW-types" only make me roll my eyes in frustration and annoyance, while those on the far right are far scarier in how they view those regard as "other." As I said earlier in the thread, I'll take annoying over dangerous any day.
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Post by jasonward on Mar 13, 2017 11:20:33 GMT
It is impossible to judge today how people campaigning for change will be seen in the future. It is often said one mans terrorists is another mans freedom fighter, but at some point todays terrorists will become historys story book villains and heros. I am reminded of the fact that although the suffragettes, amongst other violent acts, used arson and bombings as means to their end, yet less than 100 years later, are regarded as heros with a just cause that today seems inconceivable anyone was ever against.
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