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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2015 1:05:12 GMT
Hey everyone,
How do you feel about the depiction of Rassilon from Zagreus onwards and the more distinctive characteristics Big Finish gave him?
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Oct 20, 2015 14:22:56 GMT
I love how Don Warrington plays him. You can definitely see how it would lead into Timothy Dalton's performance in The End of Time
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Post by aztec on Oct 20, 2015 17:38:17 GMT
I'm not familiar with Rassilon outside The 8 Doctors, EOT and Big Finish so I can't comment on how faithful Warrington's performance was to the characters roots, but I thought Warrington was excellent in the role, eccentric, imposing, arrogant and at times, genuinely creepy, he really sold the idea of a ancient (and slighty insane) lost timelord meddling in the Doctor's adventures (Warrington's voice works very well on audio), he and McGann played off each other very well, and I'd happily listen to future audios with him returning to the part.
I'm not quite as invested in Timothy Dalton's incarnation (though that's largely down to only watching End of Time once...personally I thought that story was overblown nonsense and I'm not sure I could face it again...) but Dalton's a great character actor who was equally imposing in his limited screentime, there's definitely alot of potential for Rassilon in the time war stories at least(Just picture it, Hurt, Dalton and Jacobi in one story...)...
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Post by mrperson on Oct 20, 2015 18:02:57 GMT
I much prefer Warrington's performance, but that also has to do with the way they wrote Dalton for EoT....stereotypical tyrant; no reason for him to have been Rassilon in particular as opposed to any other corrupted Timelord.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2015 18:40:15 GMT
In terms of being faithful to the characters roots, his only previous appearance was in five doctors, where they bizarrely decided to portray him as a cross between the stereotypical genie in a bottle, and fu manchu. Definitely not a classic.
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Post by mrfuggleboppins on Oct 21, 2015 20:59:00 GMT
Engines of War seems to cast doubt on the legitimacy of Warrington's incarnation though given the focus on the Tomb of Rassilon within the story.
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Post by constonks on Oct 22, 2015 1:25:58 GMT
The thing about Warrington is he's a projection in the Matrix in his first appearance and then he's "the incarnation of Rassilon who faked his death and went the Divergent Universe" afterwards.
I expect his apparent resurrection implied in Engines of War is a bit more complicated if he wasn't really dead - in the same way that The Five Doctors gets a lot more complicated under the same circumstances.
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Post by elgranto on Oct 22, 2015 4:18:13 GMT
The thing about Warrington is he's a projection in the Matrix in his first appearance and then he's "the incarnation of Rassilon who faked his death and went the Divergent Universe" afterwards. That's what confuses me about Rassilon in Zagreus. If he's a Matrix projection then how exactly was he able to leave the Matrix into the Dark Tower? Was he able to create a new body? If so, how? And if he isn't a projection, and is in fact the real Rassilon who somehow faked his death and hid in the Dark Tower prior to his banishment in the DU, then who the hell is the guy in the tomb? Arrghhh... Zagreus... Whatever the case, I get the impression that Don Warrington's Rassilon is meant to be a copy of an incarnation that existed before the dead body seen in The Five Doctors, since The Doctor and several other Time Lords recognize the Warrington version quite easily in Neverland. The copy of his mind in the Matrix, that Rassilon uploaded prior to his death, may have taken the form of one of his "old favourites" prior to reconstituting his body.
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Post by constonks on Oct 22, 2015 21:56:39 GMT
The thing about Warrington is he's a projection in the Matrix in his first appearance and then he's "the incarnation of Rassilon who faked his death and went the Divergent Universe" afterwards. That's what confuses me about Rassilon in Zagreus. If he's a Matrix projection then how exactly was he able to leave the Matrix into the Dark Tower? Was he able to create a new body? If so, how? And if he isn't a projection, and is in fact the real Rassilon who somehow faked his death and hid in the Dark Tower prior to his banishment in the DU, then who the hell is the guy in the tomb? It's quite possible that Fu Manchu is something similar to a Matrix projection himself. Or a mental trickery performed by the real Rassilon, hiding away somewhere else. I forgot the Matrix projection was the one who actually physically stepped out into the Tower. I remember that bugging me, but I assume we're supposed to believe that he was the Real Deal.
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Post by icecreamdf on Oct 23, 2015 1:53:23 GMT
That's all that confuses you about Zagreus?
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Post by elgranto on Oct 23, 2015 3:07:50 GMT
That's all that confuses you about Zagreus? That's all that confuses me about Rassilon. Zagreus in itself is a whole different ball game.
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Post by constonks on Oct 24, 2015 4:37:34 GMT
Haha I like Zagreus but what immediately came to mind was that the insinuation that the TARDIS has a back door. Which raises far more questions than anything else said in the whole three hours.
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Post by elgranto on Oct 24, 2015 7:04:32 GMT
Haha I like Zagreus but what immediately came to mind was that the insinuation that the TARDIS has a back door. Which raises far more questions than anything else said in the whole three hours. No kidding. I just pass it off as another "Zagreus anomaly" that shouldn't be taken too seriously. Though one could argue, of course, that the whole story is one big anomaly that shouldn't be taken too seriously. To get back on topic, I think BF's take on Rassilon was an inspired idea. And RTD must have thought so too based on The End of Time. A character that powerful and influential must have had one hell of an ego, so it makes sense for him to go corrupt.
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Post by mbt66 on Oct 24, 2015 13:26:09 GMT
Haha I like Zagreus but what immediately came to mind was that the insinuation that the TARDIS has a back door. Which raises far more questions than anything else said in the whole three hours. Isn't the "back door" what the Doctor uses to get back into his Tardis in SHADA?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2015 18:05:59 GMT
Haha I like Zagreus but what immediately came to mind was that the insinuation that the TARDIS has a back door. Which raises far more questions than anything else said in the whole three hours. Isn't the "back door" what the Doctor uses to get back into his Tardis in SHADA? And what they came out of in episode 1 of logopolis
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Post by constonks on Oct 24, 2015 19:41:43 GMT
Funny that I remembered it from Zagreus and not either of those. Proof I need to rewatch both posthaste.
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