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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 1, 2019 14:22:35 GMT
Was this podcast the Chicago TARDIS one?
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Post by mark687 on Dec 1, 2019 14:28:22 GMT
Was this podcast the Chicago TARDIS one? No and I'm not sure there'll be one this year Nick Bs not there
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 1, 2019 14:31:15 GMT
Nick missing Chicago is almost a news item unto itself.
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Post by captainpugwash on Dec 1, 2019 16:32:51 GMT
Not wishing to sound callous and I apologise if anyone thinks I am, but I wish they would just get on and recast. It really does not make sense to me to keep hanging round for years waiting for a respectable amount of time to pass. Someone will always feel that not enough time has past. And in the meantime the rest of the cast are twiddling their thumbs. Now I know the cast do not make a life changing amount of money but a wage is still a wage. I mean since Gareth died they haven’t been able to use Sally Knyvette so she has lost out on wages. Just get on and recast.
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Post by mark687 on Dec 8, 2019 11:44:43 GMT
This Weeks Live
www.bigfinish.com/podcasts/v/2019-12-08-santa-and-constance
From the E-mails
BF Originals
Human Frontier "should" be in studio in the New Year (though he's still not cleared it with his ideal cast! though he's composed and recorded some of the music for it)
Interesting his comment at the end about Paranoia on requests for updates is fair. (you had most people's money for this for over 2 years)
No Update on when but there will be more Sherlock Holmes
Oddly the 8th Doc Time War isn't meant to have an overall Arc
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 8, 2019 14:41:26 GMT
This Weeks Live
www.bigfinish.com/podcasts/v/2019-12-08-santa-and-constance
From the E-mails
BF Originals
Human Frontier "should" be in studio in the New Year (though he's still not cleared it with his ideal cast!)
Interesting his comment at the end about Paranoia on requests for updates is fair. (you had most people's money for this for over 2 years)
Could you elaborate please? Was this Nick being dismissive or Nick being apologetic & understanding of people's concerns about the delays?
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Post by mark687 on Dec 8, 2019 14:48:13 GMT
This Weeks Live
www.bigfinish.com/podcasts/v/2019-12-08-santa-and-constance
From the E-mails
BF Originals
Human Frontier "should" be in studio in the New Year (though he's still not cleared it with his ideal cast!)
Interesting his comment at the end about Paranoia on requests for updates is fair. (you had most people's money for this for over 2 years)
Could you elaborate please? Was this Nick being dismissive or Nick being apologetic & understanding of people's concerns about the delays? Well he feels Paranoid because he perceives any request for an update on it as criticism but he knows that makes no sense.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 8, 2019 14:53:04 GMT
Interesting reaction.
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Post by captainpugwash on Dec 8, 2019 19:53:44 GMT
Do they talk about Timeslip at all? Was hoping it would be on last weeks podcast. That’s the trouble when they record 3 or 4 together, it can take weeks for podcast to come around.
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Post by mark687 on Dec 8, 2019 20:28:44 GMT
Do they talk about Timeslip at all? Was hoping it would be on last weeks podcast. That’s the trouble when they record 3 or 4 together, it can take weeks for podcast to come around. No but as you say probably recorded Before Announcement
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 23:15:44 GMT
Could you elaborate please? Was this Nick being dismissive or Nick being apologetic & understanding of people's concerns about the delays? Well he feels Paranoid because he perceives any request for an update on it as criticism but he knows that makes no sense.
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Thanks for the update. That's one heck of a reaction.
It's been 1,307 days since I ordered Jekyll and Hyde. I better not ask for any information on it in case it makes Nick feel paranoid.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 23:22:42 GMT
Hate to seem rude, but maybe Mr Briggs should take this as constructive criticism and not announce things before they’re definitely confirmed?
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 9, 2019 0:18:37 GMT
Well he feels Paranoid because he perceives any request for an update on it as criticism but he knows that makes no sense.
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Thanks for the update. That's one heck of a reaction.
It's been 1,307 days since I ordered Jekyll and Hyde. I better not ask for any information on it in case it makes Nick feel paranoid. I still can’t believe they have not just canceled everyone’s order and refunded their money.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 0:54:19 GMT
Thanks for the update. That's one heck of a reaction.
It's been 1,307 days since I ordered Jekyll and Hyde. I better not ask for any information on it in case it makes Nick feel paranoid. I still can’t believe they have not just canceled everyone’s order and refunded their money. It’s really an unfortunate situation at the moment. I think it’s safe to say that Mr Briggs (as much as we all love him) does tend to get rather overambitious in terms of what he can do with his workload. There’s honestly no shame in just cutting back, getting a few scripts done on such things as Jekyll and Hyde, Human Frontier and Charley Pollard Series Three before announcing new stuff. A new Dalek Empire can wait after all.
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Post by lidar2 on Dec 9, 2019 9:45:07 GMT
Not wishing to sound callous and I apologise if anyone thinks I am, but I wish they would just get on and recast. It really does not make sense to me to keep hanging round for years waiting for a respectable amount of time to pass. Someone will always feel that not enough time has past. And in the meantime the rest of the cast are twiddling their thumbs. Now I know the cast do not make a life changing amount of money but a wage is still a wage. I mean since Gareth died they haven’t been able to use Sally Knyvette so she has lost out on wages. Just get on and recast. I disagree, I am not opposed to recasts, but I think it is disrespectful to do it too quickly. At least wait a respectable amount of time until someone is cold in their grave. Otherwise it just comes across as cynical and money-grabbing.
The difference between BF and their customers and say the BBC or ITV and the general audience is that BF are a very niche product sold to dedicated fans. The general public may not really care too much if the BBC or ITV recasts someone in a soap opera - it happens often enough - because they are really only interested in the character and the story line, but sci-fi fans are a bit different. To a greater or lesser extent, most of us have read interviews with the actors, followed their careers, watched them in other stuff just because it was them, maybe met them at conventions, etc, and the actor means as much to us as the character. This is not true for every fan, but it is true for some and even if it is only true for (say) a quarter of fans BF probably can't afford to lose that quarter of their customers.
ps I wasn't aware Sally Knyvette was on the bread line, but there's nothing stopping BF from using her in Liberator Chronicles or other non-B7 roles if she needs the money.
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It's tangerine....not orange
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Post by ljwilson on Dec 9, 2019 18:24:29 GMT
Could you elaborate please? Was this Nick being dismissive or Nick being apologetic & understanding of people's concerns about the delays? Well he feels Paranoid because he perceives any request for an update on it as criticism but he knows that makes no sense.
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mark687
Well maybe he should start thinking the paranoia does make sense, because people who have paid up front aren't exactly happy.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 10, 2019 4:22:51 GMT
Not wishing to sound callous and I apologise if anyone thinks I am, but I wish they would just get on and recast. It really does not make sense to me to keep hanging round for years waiting for a respectable amount of time to pass. Someone will always feel that not enough time has past. And in the meantime the rest of the cast are twiddling their thumbs. Now I know the cast do not make a life changing amount of money but a wage is still a wage. I mean since Gareth died they haven’t been able to use Sally Knyvette so she has lost out on wages. Just get on and recast. I disagree, I am not opposed to recasts, but I think it is disrespectful to do it too quickly. At least wait a respectable amount of time until someone is cold in their grave. Otherwise it just comes across as cynical and money-grabbing.
Disrespectful to whom? The only person who would be entitled to feel any sense of disrespect is Paul Darrow and he is no longer with us. And what is a respectable amount of time? Who decides it? Do we all get together and say 1 year, 3 months, 2 weeks, 3 days and 37 minutes and then it is okay? And what if one person disagrees and thinks it should 42 minutes? or 5 months? This chasing our tail to try and achieve some unobtainable "respectful" amount of time is and always has been, something of a fool's errand that we fans engage in. The simple truth remains that as of right now Blake's 7 is missing its 2 primary protagonists, its primary antagonist and two of its supporting players...ie Gan and the original Dayna. Not having Blake also means you lose doing any stories with Jenna. So if Big Finish wants to produce full cast audios, they effectively have two options. Recast or do some kind of spin-off series that would no longer be Blake's 7. I'm just being pragmatic here.
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Post by barnabaslives on Dec 10, 2019 8:24:02 GMT
Well, for what it's worth, maybe "respectful period of time" means respectful to an audience, because I want to say the same thing but what I think I really mean is how hard it can be to adjust to a recast, and the more I associate a particular actor with a particular character, the harder it can be. Gareth and Paul were so iconic that the only B7 audio I haven't bought yet is Rebellion Reborn, and I don't know if I ever will, for that very reason.
I think the only thing that got me through the major Dark Shadows recasts was the body-swapping premise with both of them plus how long it had been since we had heard from the characters, and I'm sure how little of the Third Doctor that Pertwee had done since I was a kid played a big role in how willing and able I was to accept Tim Treloar. I'm still teetering wildly on the fence over Culshaw as the Brig.
I imagine I'm likely to get outvoted, but I'd so much rather they find another way to move forward with Blake's 7, like lots more Liberator Chronicles or maybe something like them only a bit more full cast, or some sort of full cast story arc that affords them absence. I know we certainly don't want to see available talent squandered and big kudos to Big Finish on a remarkably palatable and successful recasting of Dayna, but I'm really not sure I'm ready to accept anyone else as Rog or Avon just yet.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Dec 10, 2019 10:09:27 GMT
Disrespectful to whom? The only person who would be entitled to feel any sense of disrespect is Paul Darrow and he is no longer with us.The answer to the question is disrespectful to the memory of Darrow and his performance as Avon. And if that memory means anything to you, then you won't want to recast too soon because you need a bit of time to process his passing - grieve is probably too strong a word for someone most of us didn't know personally - and you won't be ready to accept a replacement straight away. If it means nothing to you, then fair enough, recast away. The memory of someone who has meant something to us is important and needs to be respected. The best comparison I can give is when a friend or family member passes away and their spouse remarries. No one would say the widow(er) is wrong to remarry and no one would begrudge them finding happiness, but if it happens too quickly then it can look like they have moved on a bit too quickly and, by implication, that the deceased didn't really mean very much to them if they were able to get over their death so quickly. Now Darrow's passing didn't mean as much to B7 fans as a spouse's would have (at least I hope not!) but it still meant something to a lot of us. And that something needs to be respected. I will accept a recast in due course if that is what BF do, but just not right away.BF continue to credit Paul Spragg on CDs as a mark of respect even though it is very unlikely that he had any actual involvement in their current (2019) output, but no one in their right mind would dream of emailing the podcast to tell Nick that Paul's been dead 5 years, time to get over it and stop crediting him on CDs. And the reason why no one would dream of doing so is because we understand and accept that Paul meant a lot to his colleagues at BF and if they want to honour him in this way then that is fair enough. So we are respecting his BF colleagues and their feelings about his memory as much as we are respecting Paul himself. And what is a respectable amount of time? Who decides it? Do we all get together and say 1 year, 3 months, 2 weeks, 3 days and 37 minutes and then it is okay? And what if one person disagrees and thinks it should 42 minutes? or 5 months?That's good as a rhetorical point, but not really a sensible argument. The generally accepted social norm is that when someone dies you ought to wait a bit of time before replacing them. We need a bit of time to grieve and process their passing before we move on. Of course, if it is someone you had a purely professional relationship with, e.g. your dentist, then you are probably happy to accept a replacement straight away but if it was someone who meant something more to you than a purely professional relationship, then you need a bit of time. Not necessarily a lot of time, but a bit. I'm just being pragmatic here. So am I, BF need enough customers to accept the recast in order to get the critical mass of sales needed to make a release commercially viable. Recasting too quickly and the risk of looking like uncaring money grabbers makes that harder to achieve. You just have to look at some of the comments on this forum to see how fans initially react to suggestions of an immediate recast. Waiting a respectable amount of time actually makes the recast likely to be more widely accepted, so I would argue that avoiding immediate recasts is actually the pragmatic option. PS For some reason the formatting on this post has gone a bit haywire - apologies, I was probably being over-ambitious in the way I tried to set it out - so I have put audio watchdog's comments in bold italics to try and make it clear whose words are whose
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 23:18:04 GMT
A new Dalek Empire can wait after all. Steady on ... a joke is a joke an all that but we don't need to blaspheme!
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