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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 10:25:47 GMT
If that’s the case, then I guess it’s very unlikely we’ll hear from the likes of Frobisher ever again.
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Post by tuigirl on Jan 12, 2020 10:47:12 GMT
If that’s the case, then I guess it’s very unlikely we’ll hear from the likes of Frobisher ever again. Which would be sad. But Nick said he is not just following any vocal minority. Maybe if we all shouted „All hail the big talking bird“? This would actually be a great thing at a convention- team up, and one person asks the BF representative at a panel about Frobisher and the the whole room shouts „ All hail...“ Then they can talk about a vocal minority.
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Post by mbt66 on Jan 12, 2020 11:13:35 GMT
Is that a contradiction?
I read it as Nick saying there are lots of things they'd love to make, but there just isn't the market for.
That is how I understood it as well and also what Jason said at the convention. So in the next years we will be hearing less of the likes of Novel and Comic adaptions. I know that Nick said the novel adaptations didn’t sell well enough (I still cannot believe that applied to the Fourth Doctor as they were some of the very best audio releases IMHO), has he now said the same about the Comic Strip adaptions? (If so I might have to start accepting that the Fourth Doctor doesn’t sell as well as I thought) Perhaps that explains why we haven’t had any more Philip Hinchcliffe Presents...
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Post by tuigirl on Jan 12, 2020 11:43:21 GMT
That is how I understood it as well and also what Jason said at the convention. So in the next years we will be hearing less of the likes of Novel and Comic adaptions. I know that Nick said the novel adaptations didn’t sell well enough (I still cannot believe that applied to the Fourth Doctor as they were some of the very best audio releases IMHO), has he now said the same about the Comic Strip adaptions? (If so I might have to start accepting that the Fourth Doctor doesn’t sell as well as I thought) Perhaps that explains why we haven’t had any more Philip Hinchcliffe Presents... Well, in the emails he was asked about more COMIC strip adaptations and he said as fun as these adaptations are, they just do not sell well. He stated that this was also the case for the Tom Baker one.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Jan 12, 2020 11:47:48 GMT
If that’s the case, then I guess it’s very unlikely we’ll hear from the likes of Frobisher ever again.
I reckon the problem there was that they made the stories ABOUT Frobisher, sold on the appearance of Frobisher, and if people weren't interested in Frobisher, they weren't interested in the plays. Also, I think only one writer has had a crack at writing for Frobisher on audio.
Whereas if BF did a whole trilogy featuring the sixth Doctor and Peri, AND Frobisher, then Frobisher could be used in a variety of situations where he wasn't the main draw. I reckon Peri and Frobisher would play off each other rather well.
Think of it as Frobisher playing the Rory/Mickey/tin dog role.
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Post by mbt66 on Jan 12, 2020 12:06:08 GMT
I know that Nick said the novel adaptations didn’t sell well enough (I still cannot believe that applied to the Fourth Doctor as they were some of the very best audio releases IMHO), has he now said the same about the Comic Strip adaptions? (If so I might have to start accepting that the Fourth Doctor doesn’t sell as well as I thought) Perhaps that explains why we haven’t had any more Philip Hinchcliffe Presents... Well, in the emails he was asked about more COMIC strip adaptations and he said as fun as these adaptations are, they just do not sell well. He stated that this was also the case for the Tom Baker one.
Wow. That’s another illusion shattered! It is only Tom’s Doctor who has had a comic strip adaption, so I assume Nick is also referencing The Avengers comic strip adaptations as well or have an forgotten something else?
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Post by tuigirl on Jan 12, 2020 12:15:45 GMT
Well, in the emails he was asked about more COMIC strip adaptations and he said as fun as these adaptations are, they just do not sell well. He stated that this was also the case for the Tom Baker one.
Wow. That’s another illusion shattered! It is only Tom’s Doctor who has had a comic strip adaption, so I assume Nick is also referencing The Avengers comic strip adaptations as well or have an forgotten something else? I think the question was just about Who, and there was no reference made to the other ranges.
I know it is sad- I would REALLY love to get an adaptation with the 8th Doctor and Destrii (who I think is an amazing character).
However, so far, I have not even taken the plunge with the 4th Doctor comic strip adaptations, so I might be part of the problem. I just cannot stand the Meep. I found him unbearable in that freebie we got with the 6th Doctor.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jan 12, 2020 22:31:11 GMT
I listened to the email of the listener asking if having 500+ downloads is on the high side, looked at the 1066 in my account and just thought, "slacker."
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Post by tuigirl on Jan 13, 2020 7:42:06 GMT
I listened to the email of the listener asking if having 500+ downloads is on the high side, looked at the 1066 in my account and just thought, "slacker." I just thought this would make me decidedly average with my 450...
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Post by polly on Jan 14, 2020 0:02:57 GMT
I listened to the email of the listener asking if having 500+ downloads is on the high side, looked at the 1066 in my account and just thought, "slacker." I just thought this would make me decidedly average with my 450... I thought at 700 I had developed a bit of an addiction. Funny enough, I've been buying a lot less now that I've been making an effort to actually listen to the darn things. As for the adaptations, it's a real shame. I wonder if low sales have anything to do with BF's big market being the hardcore fan and said fans already read the originals and don't need an audio version? I'm really curious about how the adaptations have differed enough from the myriad other Doctor Who ranges to be noted for low sales. I was under the impression that Tom Baker sold no matter what range it was.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jan 14, 2020 0:22:58 GMT
I was under the impression that Tom Baker sold no matter what range it was. I do believe that the adaptations feature larger casts and you have the added expense of having to pay a fee to the writer of the story you are adapting. I'm guessing here that a good but not great selling item would get more a pass without those two factors but with them it seems reasonable to think BF didn't make much of a profit or just broke even.
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Post by tuigirl on Jan 14, 2020 8:49:37 GMT
I just thought this would make me decidedly average with my 450... I thought at 700 I had developed a bit of an addiction. Funny enough, I've been buying a lot less now that I've been making an effort to actually listen to the darn things. As for the adaptations, it's a real shame. I wonder if low sales have anything to do with BF's big market being the hardcore fan and said fans already read the originals and don't need an audio version? I'm really curious about how the adaptations have differed enough from the myriad other Doctor Who ranges to be noted for low sales. I was under the impression that Tom Baker sold no matter what range it was. Well... of course I cannot speak for other "hardcore" fans and I also do not know if I count as such. I admit I have read most of the novels BEFORE I bought the audios. And in general, I liked the novels enough that I thought- awesome, I wonder what BF does with it, let's check it out. So exactly the opposite of what you propose. And I have to say that at least all the Fourth Doctor stories were done very well by BF and were perfectly adapted with the right bits trimmed down and of course Tom and the cast were doing a great job. I really liked Nightshade as a book, but could not really get into the adaptation. Somehow, things were not coming together for me. And I disliked "Love and War" as a book, with the Doctor being really despicable in there, so I held off a long time before I decided to get the adaptation. I also disliked the adaptation.
I have not read Cold Fusion, but it is, hands down, my favorite of the novel adaptations...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 10:11:14 GMT
I thought at 700 I had developed a bit of an addiction. Funny enough, I've been buying a lot less now that I've been making an effort to actually listen to the darn things. As for the adaptations, it's a real shame. I wonder if low sales have anything to do with BF's big market being the hardcore fan and said fans already read the originals and don't need an audio version? I'm really curious about how the adaptations have differed enough from the myriad other Doctor Who ranges to be noted for low sales. I was under the impression that Tom Baker sold no matter what range it was. Well... of course I cannot speak for other "hardcore" fans and I also do not know if I count as such. I admit I have read most of the novels BEFORE I bought the audios. And in general, I liked the novels enough that I thought- awesome, I wonder what BF does with it, let's check it out. So exactly the opposite of what you propose. And I have to say that at least all the Fourth Doctor stories were done very well by BF and were perfectly adapted with the right bits trimmed down and of course Tom and the cast were doing a great job. I really liked Nightshade as a book, but could not really get into the adaptation. Somehow, things were not coming together for me. And I disliked "Love and War" as a book, with the Doctor being really despicable in there, so I held off a long time before I decided to get the adaptation. I also disliked the adaptation.
I have not read Cold Fusion, but it is, hands down, my favorite of the novel adaptations...
I love Cold Fusion. It was able to bring out something completely new in both versions of the text. In prose, it was the first multi-Doctor story told from the earlier incarnation's perspective. In the audio, we get an entirely new dimension to the Fifth Doctor via Patience. There's a tenderness and familiarity that Davison weaves elegantly into his personality. A rawness borne of tragedy that explains his more detached nature for the rest of his run. Publishers when rifling through manuscripts are always on the look out for something called "lift". No one can really describe what it is beyond an indefinable magic. Something that raises the story and connects with the reader. Adaptations are always tricky because that singular "lift" is difficult to replicate, it's why we have pastiches like All-Consuming Fire to begin with. It's not impossible, The Lost Stories range throve on it, but it's a great deal more difficult to realise as it relies on creating a soundtrack to an era that never existed. We don't really knew what mid-90s Doctor Who sounded like outside of people's imaginations (and the occassional special release like Cybertech's Radiophonic-style albums or 30 Years in the TARDIS). Say, for example, there was a desire to do Ben Aaronovitch's Transit. Okay... My experience of that book was that it was a combination of William Gibson's Sprawl trilogy, The Ballad of Halo Jones, a John Carpenter film and late-80s anime (e.g. Bubblegum Crisis). That's fine. That's its own portraiture. But, that might look completely different from someone else's reading of Transit. Another thing is not only what I read, but how I read it. Did I think of it in two seventy-minute parts or did I parcel it out as a four-parter out of habit? Two is what the book suggests, but that's only for Transit. What about Blood Heat which is separated into six "episodes" and told like one of Malcolm Hulke's Target novelisations? Are the rules the same or have they changed dramatically? It feels as though it would've been a massive undertaking and it was good that they tried. However, I think the books themselves had to be approached on a case-by-case basis. What was guaranteed to work for one, absolutely didn't for another, and that makes a range terribly difficult to gauge. I think they're likely to get more traction on the Comic Adaptations (fingers crossed) because: a) It's all about filling in the blanks rather than distilling/removing content, and; b) They are blessed with writers like Alan Barnes (who seems to have studied the Mills/Wagner stories for his own run), John Dorney (who's championed the big talkin' bird) and Jonathan Morris (who pointed to Time Bomb in the Sixth Doctor comics as inspiration for his own work). All of which seem familiar with the work already.
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Post by polly on Jan 14, 2020 18:24:00 GMT
Well... of course I cannot speak for other "hardcore" fans and I also do not know if I count as such. I admit I have read most of the novels BEFORE I bought the audios. And in general, I liked the novels enough that I thought- awesome, I wonder what BF does with it, let's check it out. So exactly the opposite of what you propose. And I have to say that at least all the Fourth Doctor stories were done very well by BF and were perfectly adapted with the right bits trimmed down and of course Tom and the cast were doing a great job. I really liked Nightshade as a book, but could not really get into the adaptation. Somehow, things were not coming together for me. And I disliked "Love and War" as a book, with the Doctor being really despicable in there, so I held off a long time before I decided to get the adaptation. I also disliked the adaptation.
I have not read Cold Fusion, but it is, hands down, my favorite of the novel adaptations...
That opposite possibility did cross my mind, but only after I'd posted. L'esprit de l'escalier. Between that and Audio Watchdog's explanation about the added fees of an adaptation, I suppose my curiosity is more or less satisfied. Although, if familiarity were an incentive, it appears it wasn't enough of one, or for not enough people at any rate.
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Post by tuigirl on Jan 14, 2020 19:09:33 GMT
Well... of course I cannot speak for other "hardcore" fans and I also do not know if I count as such. I admit I have read most of the novels BEFORE I bought the audios. And in general, I liked the novels enough that I thought- awesome, I wonder what BF does with it, let's check it out. So exactly the opposite of what you propose. And I have to say that at least all the Fourth Doctor stories were done very well by BF and were perfectly adapted with the right bits trimmed down and of course Tom and the cast were doing a great job. I really liked Nightshade as a book, but could not really get into the adaptation. Somehow, things were not coming together for me. And I disliked "Love and War" as a book, with the Doctor being really despicable in there, so I held off a long time before I decided to get the adaptation. I also disliked the adaptation.
I have not read Cold Fusion, but it is, hands down, my favorite of the novel adaptations...
That opposite possibility did cross my mind, but only after I'd posted. L'esprit de l'escalier. Between that and Audio Watchdog's explanation about the added fees of an adaptation, I suppose my curiosity is more or less satisfied. Although, if familiarity were an incentive, it appears it wasn't enough of one, or for not enough people at any rate. Well, as another example- I have heard only positive things about the 4th Doctor comics that got adapted and people here are agreeing that the adaptations are really fun. I have at least the comic with the Meep sitting about here somewhere, but I hated the Meep so much in that one freebie we got, I could not make myself neither read the thing nor buy the adaptations. Maybe next week, when the 4th Doctor is up, maybe they have it on sale...
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Post by frisby78 on Jan 15, 2020 0:17:56 GMT
Hell I'd love a Transit adaption...
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Post by mbt66 on Jan 15, 2020 2:09:31 GMT
Wow. That’s another illusion shattered! It is only Tom’s Doctor who has had a comic strip adaption, so I assume Nick is also referencing The Avengers comic strip adaptations as well or have an forgotten something else? I think the question was just about Who, and there was no reference made to the other ranges.
I know it is sad- I would REALLY love to get an adaptation with the 8th Doctor and Destrii (who I think is an amazing character).
However, so far, I have not even taken the plunge with the 4th Doctor comic strip adaptations, so I might be part of the problem. I just cannot stand the Meep. I found him unbearable in that freebie we got with the 6th Doctor.
I know what you mean regarding the Meep. Perhaps Big Finish should have split the comic strip adaptions into two separate releases. I also think it came out too close to the FDA sets which had probably already satisfied a lot of listeners. Having now listened to the podcast it didn’t sound as final as their stance on the novel adaptations, but a follow up does sound a long way off. Oh well, I cannot complain that I don’t have enough Fourth Doctor to look forward to.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jan 15, 2020 2:28:48 GMT
Oh well, I cannot complain that I don’t have enough Fourth Doctor to look forward to. I know what you mean. I just hope I live long enough to enjoy all the 4th Doctor audios I have pre-ordered.
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Post by mark687 on Jan 18, 2020 12:52:16 GMT
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Post by shutupbanks on Jan 19, 2020 2:08:04 GMT
The Rat is one of my favourite series. BF would do a magnificent job, although a lot of the comedy is visual.
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