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Post by bobod on Jun 21, 2017 17:17:39 GMT
Later on in Dark Shadows Alec Newman and Stephanie Ellyne were cast as the grown-up David Collins and Amy Jennings. There is no change of body, they are the same people in the same body but now played by different actors. ... AND THE NEW ACTORS FACES ARE USED ON THE COVERS... so there we have it - precedent set for this approach several years ago. Here's the new Amy... And the new David appeared on a cover with Barnabas and Trask... In this cover we have from left to right - an old character in a new body played by a new actor, a old character in the same body played by a new actor and a TV family character played by the original actor who always plays that family.
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Post by bobod on Jun 21, 2017 17:23:41 GMT
And finally...EXACTLY as the new Blakes 7 cover has done... we have the Survivors Series 6 cover featuring images of the original Abby, Jenny and Greg AND a recast Ruth. And when over in Collinsport David had both his female friends show up at the same time for the first time ever, Hallie was played by the original TV actress and David and Amy by the now established BF versions... and the cover pictured all three contributing perfomers.
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Post by bobod on Jun 21, 2017 17:25:48 GMT
So really if anything it's the Doctor Who range that is unusual in putting the original performers - your Mike Crazes and your Jacqueline Hills - on the cover when the part is played by someone else. Having said that, the Doctor Who range is no stranger to the other approach...
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Post by bobod on Jun 21, 2017 17:26:38 GMT
When it comes to the Mrs Peel stories though they both do and don't use the new cast The image for the second boxset worked far better for me than the first one. That's totally fair enough - but was the reason that they used the contributing actors or was it something else?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 21:31:02 GMT
None of those releases had original cast members, much less predominantly so, they were all full recasts, which is a different beast altogether. They weren't mixing pictures of Julian Wadham with Diana Rigg, or David Warner with Joanna Lumley, as if the former was actually part of the tv series alongside the latter. Just making a point, I'll go back to shutting up on the subject now, honest. Probably. Maybe. Edit - ...Or not. I was referring to the first several you posted, I don't follow, or much care about Dark Shadows, so that's none of my business and entirely a matter for the fans of that series to approve or disapprove of. I'd also argue that grown up or elderly versions of characters are a different beast as well, just for the record. Not everything is cut and dried, one size fits all. And I wasn't aware of the Ruth thing on Survivors, but on a core level I don't care for that much, personally, either, now that I am aware of it. But to be fair, at least it doesn't appear as glaringly out of place and obviously ill-matched, so while the actress that plays the new Ruth is on the cover, there's nothing that actually identifies her as Ruth, and it doesn't present as so glaringly anachronistic. In fact it's a very nice cover, all in all. Survivors on TV also had a habit of recasting roles (including Ruth), so there's that, too. She isn't a character that only had one definitive face and one performer. As for the Celestial Toymaker, I thought his physical change had been addressed in the Nightmare Fair, but I may well be misremembering. Regardless, as basically a God, physical changes are hardly beyond him, so are easier to accept. Particularly when we're used to various incarnations of the Master, the Monk, the Rani, Rassilon and so on. Justification? Maybe. But my view on why it didn't bother me, anyway. Regardless, no amount of pictures posted is going to change my own personal opinion on the matter. I'm a fan, we have passionate opinions and our own selective internal logic for why we feel certain ways about certain things, there's no definitive right and wrong to it, it just is. I was just expressing my view is all, never meant it to turn into a 'thing'. And as I have only stated my own view, and not tried to force it upon anyone else or made anyone agree, not sure why it seems to matter so much anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 4:30:34 GMT
Yeah, like Judgefish, I don't follow any of those ranges so wasn't aware of their approach to them.
Still doesn't change my view, but if others like the cover fair enough. To me this is like the argument over why they wouldn't put Jon Pertwee's face on the Third Doctor Adventures. Many people didn't like it many people thought it was absolutely appropriate. Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
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Post by shutupbanks on Jun 22, 2017 9:44:39 GMT
So really if anything it's the Doctor Who range that is unusual in putting the original performers - your Mike Crazes and your Jacqueline Hills - on the cover when the part is played by someone else. Having said that, the Doctor Who range is no stranger to the other approach... bobod: not all heroes wear capes.
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Post by omega on Jun 22, 2017 9:53:39 GMT
So really if anything it's the Doctor Who range that is unusual in putting the original performers - your Mike Crazes and your Jacqueline Hills - on the cover when the part is played by someone else. Having said that, the Doctor Who range is no stranger to the other approach... bobod : not all heroes wear capes.
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Post by bobod on Jun 22, 2017 10:30:17 GMT
You'll have to speak up omega, I have an ear infection.
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Post by davidxbrunt on Jun 23, 2017 21:34:03 GMT
None of those releases had original cast members, much less predominantly so, they were all full recasts, which is a different beast altogether. They weren't mixing pictures of Julian Wadham with Diana Rigg, or David Warner with Joanna Lumley, as if the former was actually part of the tv series alongside the latter. Just making a point, I'll go back to shutting up on the subject now, honest. Probably. Maybe. Edit - ...Or not. I was referring to the first several you posted, I don't follow, or much care about Dark Shadows, LE GASP! You are missing out. You'd be as insane as Judge Cal not to check out the DS audios. They're astonishingly good.
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Post by omega on Jun 24, 2017 5:35:09 GMT
None of those releases had original cast members, much less predominantly so, they were all full recasts, which is a different beast altogether. They weren't mixing pictures of Julian Wadham with Diana Rigg, or David Warner with Joanna Lumley, as if the former was actually part of the tv series alongside the latter. Just making a point, I'll go back to shutting up on the subject now, honest. Probably. Maybe. Edit - ...Or not. I was referring to the first several you posted, I don't follow, or much care about Dark Shadows, LE GASP! You are missing out. You'd be as insane as Judge Cal not to check out the DS audios. They're astonishingly good. Seconded (get away from me with at blade Yaeger!). At its heart Dark Shadows is about people and that's what makes it great. It's about love, it's about loss and tragedy, not to mention the odd frubbed line and visible boom mike.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2017 8:43:19 GMT
I'm glad people enjoy Dark Shadows, but I'm not missing out at all because it is something that I have zero interest in. The world is full of great stories, but as no one can enjoy them all, you have to stick with the ones that intrigue and appeal to you most, and while fans of anything will always view non fans as missing out, I'll continue to spend my time on that which I personally value most and find a connection to. And for me Dark Shadows just doesn't make the cut. Thanks for the recommendations all the same, though.
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Post by mark687 on Jun 30, 2017 23:13:02 GMT
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Post by pawntake on Jul 1, 2017 7:13:30 GMT
I have ordered the bundle so will give this a miss and wait for the 1st boxset to be released.Love the artwork though!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 9:37:49 GMT
So really if anything it's the Doctor Who range that is unusual in putting the original performers - your Mike Crazes and your Jacqueline Hills - on the cover when the part is played by someone else. Having said that, the Doctor Who range is no stranger to the other approach... I forgot how regal David Bailie looked on these covers. No disrespect whatosoever to late great Michael Gough, but there's something about Bailie's Toymaker that seems almost transcendental. A chance to once again dig into the Series C of Blake's 7 and the aftermath of the War? Yes, please.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 13:22:18 GMT
So really if anything it's the Doctor Who range that is unusual in putting the original performers - your Mike Crazes and your Jacqueline Hills - on the cover when the part is played by someone else. Having said that, the Doctor Who range is no stranger to the other approach... I forgot how regal David Bailie looked on these covers. No disrespect whatosoever to late great Michael Gough, but there's something about Bailie's Toymaker that seems almost transcendental. A chance to once again dig into the Series C of Blake's 7 and the aftermath of the War? Yes, please. Absolutely agree about David Bailie, I wish we could hear more from him. Terrific voice and BF's very own Celestial Toymaker. He deserves another run! I have failed to resist the free download for Spoils of War. It's like they've never been away. {Spoiler} Suddenly Blakes 7 is back, and the new Dayna is very good. Her dialogue with Vila is terrific - very authoritative. As an appetite whetter, it does the job very well (nice to see Steve Lyons' name in the credits after a long time as well).
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Post by Ela on Jul 2, 2017 21:20:54 GMT
I have ordered the bundle so will give this a miss and wait for the 1st boxset to be released.Love the artwork though!!! No free preview for me, either, same reason.
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Post by coldlazarou on Jul 4, 2017 16:48:47 GMT
I take it that this, the third BF full-cast series, is set earlier (chronology-wise) than the second full-cast series? The second series is usually placed right near the end of season C, but i assume with the references to the aftermath of the war this is towards the beginning of C?
Just trying to get this straight in my head.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 17:35:52 GMT
Don't quote me, because I try to stay as spoiler free as I can before listening to any new releases, but I was under the impression that the different stories in this first box set were all set at different points during series C. Where exactly each slots in, that I couldn't tell you, at least not yet, though the first Dayna centric story I believe is set soon after the first episode that introduced her character.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jul 5, 2017 5:57:03 GMT
I take it that this, the third BF full-cast series, is set earlier (chronology-wise) than the second full-cast series? The second series is usually placed right near the end of season C, but i assume with the references to the aftermath of the war this is towards the beginning of C? Just trying to get this straight in my head. The impression I got was something set around Powerplay and Volcano - maybe after Incentive so they're not looking for Blake and Jenna.
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