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Post by omega on Oct 6, 2016 1:06:52 GMT
The Flash S03E01 Flashpoint {Spoilers}As an episode of The Flash, it's a good one. Hopefully Barry gets some character development that sticks. As an adaptation of Flashpoint, it falls short for me. Even with just the Flash-centric characters there's wasted potential in the alternate versions of the characters that could easily have fueled another episode worth of story. What happened with Harrison Wells for example. I didn't really expect a direct adaptation of Flashpoint. For one thing, they already adapted one of the cooler scenes from Flashpoint last season. While it would be cool if they did stuff like having Barry hanging out with Robert Queen/Green Arrow, or having a version of the Aquaman/Wonder Woman war (Ra's Al Ghul/Vandal Savage maybe), that would all really have to be a season long arc. The problem is, that would mean setting the other Arrowverse shows in another timeline, and I'm sure that the other shows have their own plans for this season. My biggest complaint about this episode was that it wasn't on Hulu. Apparently the CW aren't putting their shows on Hulu anymore, so I had to watch it with commercials on the CW app. I wasn't expecting it to last all season, but another episode or so would have been interesting and mean one less metahuman of the week filler episode. I know there are tie-in comics for Arrow and Flash (as in set in that universe) that aren't widely known, that could have been a cool way to explore the DCLAU Flashpoint timeline like the Flashpoint tie-ins did for the 2011 comic event. The Arrow tie-in would of course be Robert Queen as the Arrow. It'd be an inversion of the comics, where Thomas Wayne was Batman in Flashpoint, and later in the New 52 Earth 2 title while Robert survived in his son's place in the DCLAU Earth-2 and would have been the Flashpoint Arrow.
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Post by icecreamdf on Oct 6, 2016 3:05:25 GMT
I didn't really expect a direct adaptation of Flashpoint. For one thing, they already adapted one of the cooler scenes from Flashpoint last season. While it would be cool if they did stuff like having Barry hanging out with Robert Queen/Green Arrow, or having a version of the Aquaman/Wonder Woman war (Ra's Al Ghul/Vandal Savage maybe), that would all really have to be a season long arc. The problem is, that would mean setting the other Arrowverse shows in another timeline, and I'm sure that the other shows have their own plans for this season. My biggest complaint about this episode was that it wasn't on Hulu. Apparently the CW aren't putting their shows on Hulu anymore, so I had to watch it with commercials on the CW app. I wasn't expecting it to last all season, but another episode or so would have been interesting and mean one less metahuman of the week filler episode. The problem is, there was another Arrow episode on tonight. They really had to get the timeline put (mostly) back to normal, so that tomorrow we can get a story with Oliver and whoever his team is these days.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 10:36:07 GMT
I wasn't expecting it to last all season, but another episode or so would have been interesting and mean one less metahuman of the week filler episode. The problem is, there was another Arrow episode on tonight. They really had to get the timeline put (mostly) back to normal, so that tomorrow we can get a story with Oliver and whoever his team is these days. Kevin Smith - who is returning to direct Ep 7 - says this is exactly why Flashpoint is only 1 ep. Otherwise we'd need Flashpoint Arrow and, next week, Supergirl and Legends. It would be very convoluted very quickly and Smith said they had to consider it would be unfair expecting people who don't watch Flash but watch the other shows have the episodes' status quo they watch completely changed by a show they don't watch. I can see that. Doing a Flashpoint one-off really was the only option if you want to keep the shows concurrent.
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Post by mark687 on Oct 6, 2016 10:56:44 GMT
Slightly related question for the proper fans Regarding Legends of Tomorrow Are Eps set in the future featuring characters from the other shows all classed as possible or true futures EDIT The Synopsis for the season 2 Premier points to the answer becoming complicated? Regards mark687
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Post by icecreamdf on Oct 6, 2016 18:20:59 GMT
The problem is, there was another Arrow episode on tonight. They really had to get the timeline put (mostly) back to normal, so that tomorrow we can get a story with Oliver and whoever his team is these days. Kevin Smith - who is returning to direct Ep 7 - says this is exactly why Flashpoint is only 1 ep. Otherwise we'd need Flashpoint Arrow and, next week, Supergirl and Legends. It would be very convoluted very quickly and Smith said they had to consider it would be unfair expecting people who don't watch Flash but watch the other shows have the episodes' status quo they watch completely changed by a show they don't watch. I can see that. Doing a Flashpoint one-off really was the only option if you want to keep the shows concurrent. I think Supergirl could probably avoid getting involved, since it is set in another universe that has only had one crossover with the Arrowverse so far. Legends might also be able to just have their premiere set before Barry's mother was suppossed to die. Arrow is the one it would really be a problem for.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Oct 7, 2016 5:14:16 GMT
The Flash S03E01 Flashpoint {Spoilers}As an episode of The Flash, it's a good one. Hopefully Barry gets some character development that sticks. As an adaptation of Flashpoint, it falls short for me. Even with just the Flash-centric characters there's wasted potential in the alternate versions of the characters that could easily have fueled another episode worth of story. What happened with Harrison Wells for example. I think we're going to discover that Wells is alive, and Thawne killed and imitated Iris (which is why she and Joe have such a fraught relationship now). Thawne's a bastard who hate Barry, and just before going back to kill Barry's mum he met Iris.
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Post by omega on Oct 7, 2016 6:44:47 GMT
The Flash S03E01 Flashpoint {Spoilers}As an episode of The Flash, it's a good one. Hopefully Barry gets some character development that sticks. As an adaptation of Flashpoint, it falls short for me. Even with just the Flash-centric characters there's wasted potential in the alternate versions of the characters that could easily have fueled another episode worth of story. What happened with Harrison Wells for example. I think we're going to discover that Wells is alive, and Thawne killed and imitated Iris (which is why she and Joe have such a fraught relationship now). Thawne's a bastard who hate Barry, and just before going back to kill Barry's mum he met Iris. During the Flashpoint comic event there was a Reverse-Flash one-shot that explored Thawne's perspective of the antagonistic relationship he has with Barry, working out ways to mess with Barry without endangering his own existence. It's a good way of showing Thawne's limitations and how they make him even more sadistic than if he was able to simply murder Barry.
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Post by icecreamdf on Oct 7, 2016 14:06:52 GMT
The Flash S03E01 Flashpoint {Spoilers}As an episode of The Flash, it's a good one. Hopefully Barry gets some character development that sticks. As an adaptation of Flashpoint, it falls short for me. Even with just the Flash-centric characters there's wasted potential in the alternate versions of the characters that could easily have fueled another episode worth of story. What happened with Harrison Wells for example. I think we're going to discover that Wells is alive, and Thawne killed and imitated Iris (which is why she and Joe have such a fraught relationship now). Thawne's a bastard who hate Barry, and just before going back to kill Barry's mum he met Iris. I don't think they are going to rewrite the entire first season. Besides, Thawne still needed to turn into Wells to blow up the particle accelerator. Whatever Thawne did to Iris and Joe, I'm guessing it's much more subtle.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Oct 7, 2016 22:13:19 GMT
I think we're going to discover that Wells is alive, and Thawne killed and imitated Iris (which is why she and Joe have such a fraught relationship now). Thawne's a bastard who hate Barry, and just before going back to kill Barry's mum he met Iris. I don't think they are going to rewrite the entire first season. Besides, Thawne still needed to turn into Wells to blow up the particle accelerator. Whatever Thawne did to Iris and Joe, I'm guessing it's much more subtle. Thawne said the explosion was always going to happen - he just made it happen earlier. So if he looked like Iris Thawne could have still made it go boom, speed in, cause reaction, speed out.
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Post by icecreamdf on Oct 8, 2016 0:13:24 GMT
I don't think they are going to rewrite the entire first season. Besides, Thawne still needed to turn into Wells to blow up the particle accelerator. Whatever Thawne did to Iris and Joe, I'm guessing it's much more subtle. Thawne said the explosion was always going to happen - he just made it happen earlier. So if he looked like Iris Thawne could have still made it go boom, speed in, cause reaction, speed out. Its been a while since I've seen the first season, but wasn't the explosion not supposed to have happened until several years later? Also wasn't Thawne missing his speed at the time.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Oct 8, 2016 5:44:34 GMT
Thawne said the explosion was always going to happen - he just made it happen earlier. So if he looked like Iris Thawne could have still made it go boom, speed in, cause reaction, speed out. Its been a while since I've seen the first season, but wasn't the explosion not supposed to have happened until several years later? Also wasn't Thawne missing his speed at the time. I thought Thawne lost his speed because of the way he ended up in the past, this time he had a chance to build in his reserves before running backwards again.
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Post by icecreamdf on Oct 8, 2016 16:12:20 GMT
Its been a while since I've seen the first season, but wasn't the explosion not supposed to have happened until several years later? Also wasn't Thawne missing his speed at the time. I thought Thawne lost his speed because of the way he ended up in the past, this time he had a chance to build in his reserves before running backwards again. You might be right. I don't remember how he lost his speed.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Oct 8, 2016 21:26:18 GMT
I thought Thawne lost his speed because of the way he ended up in the past, this time he had a chance to build in his reserves before running backwards again. You might be right. I don't remember how he lost his speed. IIRC neither did he, although there is the theory (based on the comics) that Barry creates the Speed Force, so no speedster Barry means no Speed Force. although, didn't he have his speed to kill the real Wells? Maybe he lacked the speed to go back to the future.
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Post by icecreamdf on Oct 8, 2016 22:07:20 GMT
You might be right. I don't remember how he lost his speed. IIRC neither did he, although there is the theory (based on the comics) that Barry creates the Speed Force, so no speedster Barry means no Speed Force. although, didn't he have his speed to kill the real Wells? Maybe he lacked the speed to go back to the future. I don't think he did use his speed to kill Wells. Didn't he just cause a car crash?
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Oct 8, 2016 22:42:18 GMT
IIRC neither did he, although there is the theory (based on the comics) that Barry creates the Speed Force, so no speedster Barry means no Speed Force. although, didn't he have his speed to kill the real Wells? Maybe he lacked the speed to go back to the future. I don't think he did use his speed to kill Wells. Didn't he just cause a car crash? Just wiki'd it, he lost his speed because of travelling back in it. Previously, he spent a few days in the present before running back further, now he's spent 15 odd years recouperating, its possible he's not lost his speed this time. Alternatively, he helped Wells out as Eobard Thawne (or someone else) and triggered the explosion thusly. He knows he needs Barry in order to get back to his own time.
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Post by icecreamdf on Oct 8, 2016 22:44:32 GMT
I don't think he did use his speed to kill Wells. Didn't he just cause a car crash? Just wiki'd it, he lost his speed because of travelling back in it. Previously, he spent a few days in the present before running back further, now he's spent 15 odd years recouperating, its possible he's not lost his speed this time. Alternatively, he helped Wells out as Eobard Thawne (or someone else) and triggered the explosion thusly. He knows he needs Barry in order to get back to his own time. Wouldn't he have spent 15 years recuperating in the original timeline (the whole time he was Wells) and only an extra few months in this timeline (the time Barry had him locked in that box?
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Oct 9, 2016 7:33:45 GMT
Exactly, he had his speed back within weeks of Barry waking up (in fact, some of his actions in the pilot indicate he EXEPCTS to be able to use the Speed Force - such as him getting ready to get out of his chair in order to save Barry from the missiles).
He lost his speed just after killing Barry's mum. Barry had lost his speed for a time, but recharged.
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Post by Ela on Oct 21, 2016 19:10:54 GMT
Been reading Bernice Summerfield books. Over the last couple of weeks I finished The Dead Men Diaries and The Doomsday Manuscript. Those books have gotten me thinking a lot about Benny's and Brax's timelines relative to each other. Confusing, since they meet out of order.
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Post by icecreamdf on Oct 21, 2016 20:21:46 GMT
So, does anybody know why Vixen is a member of the JSA. Is she the other Vixen's grandmother or something?
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Oct 26, 2016 7:27:02 GMT
So, does anybody know why Vixen is a member of the JSA. Is she the other Vixen's grandmother or something? It's her Grandmother according to the producers.
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