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Post by Timelord007 on Dec 13, 2016 18:27:58 GMT
Yeah the crossover arc was a little misleading & I'm certainly missing Arthur Darvill as Rip Hunter, last season of the Flash Tony Todd voiced Zoom, this season Saw's Tobin Bell is voicing Doctor Alchemy or whoever it maybe, so I'm assuming Robert Englund or Doug Bradley are lined up to voice over villain next season. I just think shows like Daredevil & Jessica Jones have raised the bar & DC always seem to be a step behind playing catch up to Marvel. Oliver specifically mentioned recognising one of Prometheus' fighting techniques as one he'd only seen during his time in Russia so I doubt it's related to the Merlyns. The current threat always ties in to the flashbacks too so throwing Merlyn in now would just be very bad writing. Daredevil and JJ are doing such a different thing it's hard to compare. The CW is longer form TV for a much wider audience than Netflix who play mostly to the converts and *ahem* true believers. There's a lot more time to fill for Flash or Arrow, you can't tell one big story over 9 months without sidesteps as easily as Netflix can do releasing 13 eps in one day. The Netflix shows are amazing but they're much closer to films in terms of what they can do that any TV show can't. People will remember lots of plot details and callbacks for a show they've binged over a weekend...not so much if they're in May and need to remember the stinger from an episode the previous September like the CW shows. The CW also have the advantage that you really get to know these characters since they're with you year round. I've had as much emotional attachment to parts of Flash than any of the Netflix shows. I just need to hear Wells say "Run, Barry, Run" and it gets me The flip side? If a character isn't working...you're gonna be stuck with them for far too long.....I'm looking at you Felicity. I used to like Felicity as a character until last season when they turned her into a bitch, she is able to walk again & what does she do leave Oliver & shack up with a cop i think the writers have tanished the character, Curtis is annoying & the other new characters are bland, thank god Diggles back he's one of my favourite characters. I'm enjoying Flash more than Arrow at the minute & it's good the writers are addressing the consequences of Barrys actions from Flashpoint. Yeah Netflix are more relatable to a movie format like Daredevil, not once did i see that as a tv series more a 13 hour movie & Jessica Jones deals with some very mature themes. My cousin has a theory Damien Dark is Prometheus because Sarah blabbed about him being defeated & as he's working with reverse Flash he may have changed his timeline, i don't think Prometheus is Dolphs character although he could be connected somehow.
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Post by icecreamdf on Dec 15, 2016 4:33:12 GMT
Oliver specifically mentioned recognising one of Prometheus' fighting techniques as one he'd only seen during his time in Russia so I doubt it's related to the Merlyns. The current threat always ties in to the flashbacks too so throwing Merlyn in now would just be very bad writing. Daredevil and JJ are doing such a different thing it's hard to compare. The CW is longer form TV for a much wider audience than Netflix who play mostly to the converts and *ahem* true believers. There's a lot more time to fill for Flash or Arrow, you can't tell one big story over 9 months without sidesteps as easily as Netflix can do releasing 13 eps in one day. The Netflix shows are amazing but they're much closer to films in terms of what they can do that any TV show can't. People will remember lots of plot details and callbacks for a show they've binged over a weekend...not so much if they're in May and need to remember the stinger from an episode the previous September like the CW shows. The CW also have the advantage that you really get to know these characters since they're with you year round. I've had as much emotional attachment to parts of Flash than any of the Netflix shows. I just need to hear Wells say "Run, Barry, Run" and it gets me The flip side? If a character isn't working...you're gonna be stuck with them for far too long.....I'm looking at you Felicity. I used to like Felicity as a character until last season when they turned her into a bitch, she is able to walk again & what does she do leave Oliver & shack up with a cop i think the writers have tanished the character, Curtis is annoying & the other new characters are bland, thank god Diggles back he's one of my favourite characters. I'm enjoying Flash more than Arrow at the minute & it's good the writers are addressing the consequences of Barrys actions from Flashpoint. Yeah Netflix are more relatable to a movie format like Daredevil, not once did i see that as a tv series more a 13 hour movie & Jessica Jones deals with some very mature themes. My cousin has a theory Damien Dark is Prometheus because Sarah blabbed about him being defeated & as he's working with reverse Flash he may have changed his timeline, i don't think Prometheus is Dolphs character although he could be connected somehow. Well, to be fair, Oliver had a secret son who he didn't tell her about, and then sent her soon-to-be stepson away without discussing it with her. That would probably ruin most relationships. The way changes to history have been working so far, I don't think Oliver and the others would remember he events of last season if Sarah had changed history. Diggle doesn't remember baby Sarah, Cisco doesn't remember the timeline where his brother was alive, etc. Only the Legends, and anyone on another Earth would remember the previous version of history. That's why I also don't think that the returning character in the midseason finale was due to flashpoint. Besides, they probably won't want to make the plot of Arrow rely to heavily on Legends of Tomorrow. And, Prometheus isn't acting very much like Darkh. Prometheus seems to have something personal against Oliver, and wants to hurt him. Darkh would just want Oliver out of the way so he could continue with his plans uninterrupted. And he wouldn't wear a mask. I'm starting to think that Prometheus actually might be Quentin somehow. Apart from the fact that planting the throwing star on Quentin seems completely pointless if it was just to frame him, Prometheus' opinion of Oliver seems similar to Quentin's from the earlier seasons. Plus, he woudln't be the only character who is committing crimes while balcked out in the Arrowverse this season.
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Post by omega on Dec 15, 2016 5:20:00 GMT
I'm starting to think that Prometheus actually might be Quentin somehow. Apart from the fact that planting the throwing star on Quentin seems completely pointless if it was just to frame him, Prometheus' opinion of Oliver seems similar to Quentin's from the earlier seasons. Plus, he woudln't be the only character who is committing crimes while balcked out in the Arrowverse this season. Or previous seasons.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 5:41:16 GMT
I'm starting to think that Prometheus actually might be Quentin somehow. Apart from the fact that planting the throwing star on Quentin seems completely pointless if it was just to frame him, Prometheus' opinion of Oliver seems similar to Quentin's from the earlier seasons. Plus, he woudln't be the only character who is committing crimes while balcked out in the Arrowverse this season. Or previous seasons. I just hope she's not in his head somehow, a manifestation of his guilt over what happened at the end of the mid-season. We're already getting Mick seeing visions of Snart over on Legends, Stein recently seeing the mysterious young woman (at least there was a reason for that and not just his delusions) and I'm sure others I'm forgetting. I'm unsure how I feel about the returning character at the end of Arrow's latest ep, especially when the same episode has Felicity mocking the amount of times the dead return in the show. Just recognising and mocking your own tropes and cliches doesn't mean you should feel free to keep overusing them. I'm with Icecream on Prometheus - it won't be Merlyn or Dahrk. They're not involved in the stories either past or present and are tied up elsewhere in the Berlanti-verse right now. It would not only be lazy to use them again it would be downright bad writing as they'd be so out of left-field it would stretch credibility. Sorry Timelord, I think you and your cousins guesses are way off. I also know it won't be who the characters think it is, the son of the guy "The Hood" murdered from the list. That was thrown in too late to be anything but a red-herring. Unless the son is someone we already know but again, this universe surely can't do any more "but we trusted you" betrayals of the respective teams...can they? It was interesting that we got flashbacks to an untold Season 1-set story. If the show gets a Sixth series, is that the route they'll take to keep the flashbacks in the show? I'd be fine with losing them entirely, frankly. They've not been necessary for years. Oliver should really notice that the people he met and the lessons he learned in those five years have returned and been repeated in exact order since his return to Star City.
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Post by icecreamdf on Dec 15, 2016 5:56:35 GMT
I also know it won't be who the characters think it is, the son of the guy "The Hood" murdered from the list. That was thrown in too late to be anything but a red-herring. Unless the son is someone we already know but again, this universe surely can't do any more "but we trusted you" betrayals of the respective teams...can they? I don't think its him either. From what we know about Prometheus so far, giving the team clues that throw them way off is exactly the kind of thing he'd do. It could also be Billy. They did something similar with Jay Garrick and Zoom last season. Billy and Quentin both would have had access to the evidence when the Hood murdered that guy, so either one of them could have done some research and led Oliver on a false trail.
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Post by elkawho on Jan 6, 2017 2:36:43 GMT
Catching up with Legends Of Tomorrow. They did a terrible job with Jonah Hex.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jan 6, 2017 3:24:48 GMT
I think Prometheus is like Alchemy, a possessed person being used to attack Barry by neutralising Barry's allies.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jan 22, 2017 19:28:28 GMT
I'm not sure what I think about this new Powerless show. It could be funny, or it could be really stupid.
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Post by omega on Jan 24, 2017 9:01:02 GMT
Darren Criss is confirmed to be playing the Music Meister in the upcoming Flash/Supergirl musical crossover titled Duet. Those singing will include Grant Gustin (Barry Allen/The Flash), Melissa Benoist (Kara Danvers/Supergirl), Jesse L Martin (Joe West on Flash), Carlos Valdes (Cisco on Flash), Jeremy Jordan (Winn on Supergirl), Victor Garber (Prof. Stein on Legends of Tomorrow) and John Barrowman (Malcolm Merlyn/Dark Archer on Arrow). Supergirl's David Harewood and Chris Pine are also in the crossover episode, albeit in speaking roles only.
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Post by icecreamdf on Feb 9, 2017 5:35:46 GMT
I loved the newest Gotham episode. I didn't like Jerome much in his earlier appearances, but now he really feels like the Joker
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 13:15:04 GMT
I loved the newest Gotham episode. I didn't like Jerome much in his earlier appearances, but now he really feels like the Joker He's terrific. Very Ledger in the voice but he was also channelling Nicholson with the flailing arms while holding the gun. Giving him Joker-worthy stories, as they've failed to do until his resurrection, is what was missing in the first place. I was unsure about having the Death Of The Family-like face falling off but that level of grotesque works well in this show which has always been closer to Batman Returns in tone than anything else.
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Post by Timelord007 on Feb 10, 2017 9:26:43 GMT
I loved the newest Gotham episode. I didn't like Jerome much in his earlier appearances, but now he really feels like the Joker He's terrific. Very Ledger in the voice but he was also channelling Nicholson with the flailing arms while holding the gun. Giving him Joker-worthy stories, as they've failed to do until his resurrection, is what was missing in the first place. I was unsure about having the Death Of The Family-like face falling off but that level of grotesque works well in this show which has always been closer to Batman Returns in tone than anything else. Outstanding portrayal of The Joker, Cameron's just nailed the part unlike Jared Leto who was in my opinion abysmal. The Jokers a anarchist not a flipping gangster.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 10:23:07 GMT
He's terrific. Very Ledger in the voice but he was also channelling Nicholson with the flailing arms while holding the gun. Giving him Joker-worthy stories, as they've failed to do until his resurrection, is what was missing in the first place. I was unsure about having the Death Of The Family-like face falling off but that level of grotesque works well in this show which has always been closer to Batman Returns in tone than anything else. Outstanding portrayal of The Joker, Cameron's just nailed the part unlike Jared Leto who was in my opinion abysmal. The Jokers a anarchist not a flipping gangster. There have been certain Joker arcs where he is absolutely a gangster, though I agree it's not my preference for the character. I guess with Ledger still THE Joker for this generation they wanted to do something different. I don't blame Leto much - the part as written wasn't good and by all accounts his role was drastically reduced in the edit. I hate the tattoos though. Having him with ink? Fine - but they don't need to say "damaged" and "hahahaha". That's far too on the nose. Maybe Batman should get a tatt saying "brooding".
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Post by Timelord007 on Feb 10, 2017 12:06:57 GMT
Outstanding portrayal of The Joker, Cameron's just nailed the part unlike Jared Leto who was in my opinion abysmal. The Jokers a anarchist not a flipping gangster. There have been certain Joker arcs where he is absolutely a gangster, though I agree it's not my preference for the character. I guess with Ledger still THE Joker for this generation they wanted to do something different. I don't blame Leto much - the part as written wasn't good and by all accounts his role was drastically reduced in the edit. I hate the tattoos though. Having him with ink? Fine - but they don't need to say "damaged" and "hahahaha". That's far too on the nose. Maybe Batman should get a tatt saying "brooding". Or "i brand & kill bad guys" lol.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 4:17:48 GMT
Well, that musical Flash/Supergirl ep was absolutely fantastic - one of the most fun episodes of any superhero show live-action or animated. For all the music, the best part for me was Kara realising she'd made yet another Wizard Of Oz reference with "There's no place like home". Her reaction, the look she gives...hysterical. Melissa is a really gifted comedienne. Loved that the show made cheeky nods to its own ongoing plots like Barry saying "I'm not supposed to do that anymore" when Kara sings about turning back time. I've got this buddy Michael and every year we meet up and watch the Christmas classic Scrooged, get a bit....off our faces and end up singing along to Put A Little Love In Your Heart really loud at the end, so to hear the cast singing that was a bit of a treat. Not quite the same without Alfre Woodard and Bill Murray but hey. Victor Garber and Jesse L Martin singing More I Cannot Wish You from Guys And Dolls was really touching and gave a silly ep a real grounding. Absolutely fantastic. Garber's old school Broadway and it's great to hear him singing in these shows. He did Edelweiss is Legends this year too. It's a perfect episode really. Sure, you couldn't do it every week but it achieves everything it sets out to with gusto and, as with their first team up where they bonded over ice cream, it's wonderful to have these two Super-Friends team up a few times a year. I was smiling along the whole time.
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Post by Timelord007 on Mar 22, 2017 8:14:21 GMT
Well, that musical Flash/Supergirl ep was absolutely fantastic - one of the most fun episodes of any superhero show live-action or animated. For all the music, the best part for me was Kara realising she'd made yet another Wizard Of Oz reference with "There's no place like home". Her reaction, the look she gives...hysterical. Melissa is a really gifted comedienne. Loved that the show made cheeky nods to its own ongoing plots like Barry saying "I'm not supposed to do that anymore" when Kara sings about turning back time. I've got this buddy Michael and every year we meet up and watch the Christmas classic Scrooged, get a bit....off our faces and end up singing along to Put A Little Love In Your Heart really loud at the end, so to hear the cast singing that was a bit of a treat. Not quite the same without Alfre Woodard and Bill Murray but hey. Victor Garber and Jesse L Martin singing More I Cannot Wish You from Guys And Dolls was really touching and gave a silly ep a real grounding. Absolutely fantastic. Garber's old school Broadway and it's great to hear him singing in these shows. He did Edelweiss is Legends this year too. It's a perfect episode really. Sure, you couldn't do it every week but it achieves everything it sets out to with gusto and, as with their first team up where they bonded over ice cream, it's wonderful to have these two Super-Friends team up a few times a year. I was smiling along the whole time. Glad you enjoyed it mate, but I'll be skipping these episodes next week, I'm a grumpy analogue signal in a digital world type of guy who just loathes musicals, think because growing up my dad watched em non-stop or I'm just a complex p..sed off person. I enjoyed The Flash this week, nice to see John Wesley Shipp cameo as Jay Garrick.
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Post by omega on Mar 22, 2017 8:32:36 GMT
Well, that musical Flash/Supergirl ep was absolutely fantastic - one of the most fun episodes of any superhero show live-action or animated. For all the music, the best part for me was Kara realising she'd made yet another Wizard Of Oz reference with "There's no place like home". Her reaction, the look she gives...hysterical. Melissa is a really gifted comedienne. Loved that the show made cheeky nods to its own ongoing plots like Barry saying "I'm not supposed to do that anymore" when Kara sings about turning back time. I've got this buddy Michael and every year we meet up and watch the Christmas classic Scrooged, get a bit....off our faces and end up singing along to Put A Little Love In Your Heart really loud at the end, so to hear the cast singing that was a bit of a treat. Not quite the same without Alfre Woodard and Bill Murray but hey. Victor Garber and Jesse L Martin singing More I Cannot Wish You from Guys And Dolls was really touching and gave a silly ep a real grounding. Absolutely fantastic. Garber's old school Broadway and it's great to hear him singing in these shows. He did Edelweiss is Legends this year too. It's a perfect episode really. Sure, you couldn't do it every week but it achieves everything it sets out to with gusto and, as with their first team up where they bonded over ice cream, it's wonderful to have these two Super-Friends team up a few times a year. I was smiling along the whole time. Glad you enjoyed it mate, but I'll be skipping these episodes next week, I'm a grumpy analogue signal in a digital world type of guy who just loathes musicals, think because growing up my dad watched em non-stop or I'm just a complex p..sed off person. I enjoyed The Flash this week, nice to see John Wesley Shipp cameo as Jay Garrick. The best comparison I'd make is to one of the Trickster episodes of Supernatural (like I'd need an excuse to rewatch Changing Channels or Tall Tales, with the slow dancing alien), or the 200th episode (where there are only two songs). There are probably only five or six two minute numbers you can fastforward through.
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Post by omega on Mar 22, 2017 8:33:38 GMT
Also, Merlyn's musical counterpart's son (played by Supergirl's Mon-El) is called Tommy.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Mar 23, 2017 9:33:00 GMT
I think he was less Music Meister and more OTT Phantom Stranger.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 3:30:53 GMT
Glad you enjoyed it mate, but I'll be skipping these episodes next week, I'm a grumpy analogue signal in a digital world type of guy who just loathes musicals, think because growing up my dad watched em non-stop or I'm just a complex p..sed off person. I enjoyed The Flash this week, nice to see John Wesley Shipp cameo as Jay Garrick. I'd still watch it, if I were you bud. It resolves a couple of plots from both Supergirl and Flash - involving the personal lives of Barry and Kara - that have been going on for a good few weeks. It's not just a musical ep, it's also a really great celebration of the optimism, fun and friendship of both shows. A really lovely piece.
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