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Post by omega on Dec 9, 2015 8:22:37 GMT
Also, I'd rather we got Flash and Arrow stories. So much of the respective seasons so far have been nothing but set up for Legends Of Tomorrow. Not really. The Flash has built up on the breaches to Earth-2, the Earth-2 versions of characters we know and how that ties into the threat of Zoom (and yes, he is a very big threat). Arrow isn't quite up to it's glory days but it's a lot more focused than the previous season and we know who the big bad guy is and the team dynamic is much better. At the very least there's an effort made to avoid keeping secrets, allowing the issues to be dealt with head-on instead of after they've festered and cause problems between people. Yes, there have been episodes and storylines on both shows (Firestorm and Kendra/Hawkgirl for Flash, the resurrection and restoration of Sara and rescuing Ray for Arrow) setting up Legends of Tomorrow, with the crossover episodes being the most blatant, but each show does have its own developing arc, which should flourish with the LoT set-up done.
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Post by omega on Dec 9, 2015 8:25:08 GMT
My biggest worry out of the Flash/Arrow crossover is the storyline with Oliver's son. It was shoehorned into the Arrow episode and will only introduce tension between Oliver and Felicity. It's especially odd considering Oliver was making a huge effort to avoid secrets precisely to avoid the inevitable fireworks.
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Post by icecreamdf on Dec 10, 2015 20:43:49 GMT
Last night's Arrow was predictable, but sad. Its too bad Nyssa destroyed the Lazarus pits.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jan 29, 2016 21:58:07 GMT
So, what does everyone think about Legends of Tomorrow? I think its pretty fun, even if it is a bit weird seeing Rory as a Time Lor...Master.
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Post by omega on Jan 29, 2016 22:10:13 GMT
So far Legends of Tomorrow is a bit clunky and expository, but it's only the first episode and pilots are usually like this. Things that need improvement are the Kendra/Carter relationship, which looks so far to be another case of two characters written as love interests without any chemistry (like Oliver/Laurel in Arrow and Barry/Iris in Flash) and how Jax is written.
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Post by randomjc on Jan 29, 2016 22:28:05 GMT
The best moments of the first part is the very end, where the characters talk to each other, and you get the real reason they were chosen.
and Snart is great to watch, period.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jan 30, 2016 1:48:30 GMT
So far Legends of Tomorrow is a bit clunky and expository, but it's only the first episode and pilots are usually like this. Things that need improvement are the Kendra/Carter relationship, which looks so far to be another case of two characters written as love interests without any chemistry (like Oliver/Laurel in Arrow and Barry/Iris in Flash) and how Jax is written. Well, I think that's kind of the point. Carter considers Kendra his love interest because they have been together in every previous life, but Kendra isn't actually that interested in him. {Spoiler} Now that Carter's dead, I don't think much will change in their relationship. Though, I wouldn't be surprised if Kendra meets another incarnation of him at some point.
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Post by kurumais on Feb 3, 2016 22:09:00 GMT
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Post by omega on Feb 3, 2016 22:27:45 GMT
There'd better be singing involved. Both leads were on Glee, though I don't think they were on the show at the same time. I think I can guess how Barry ends up in National City, {Spoiler} he goes through one of the breaches, with the Supergirl continuity being Earth-3 or something. Point of interest, Melissa's husband and former Glee co-star Blake Jenner (where they played love interests) guest starred in a couple of Supergirl episodes. Naturally his character was a love interest.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 22:35:11 GMT
I'd imagine Supergirl will be one of the 52 Earths from Flash's POV? That would make sense given they're exploring that part of the mythos quite heavily this year with Earth 2. Maybe Smallville can be retconned as one of the 52 as well
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Post by omega on Feb 3, 2016 22:39:12 GMT
I'd imagine Supergirl will be one of the 52 Earths from Flash's POV? That would make sense given they're exploring that part of the mythos quite heavily this year with Earth 2. Maybe Smallville can be retconned as one of the 52 as well The 52's Flash is so fond of using have popped up in Supergirl. I bet that the official line will be that the Justice League movie is another of the Earths (Earth-5?), with Gotham potentially another Earth as well (Earth-6?). It's clear at the moment that the movies and the TV shows are fully independent of each other though, with Gotham not being related at all to the Arrowverse or Supergirl. The crossover does blur the lines between Flash and Supergirl.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 22:52:42 GMT
I'd imagine Supergirl will be one of the 52 Earths from Flash's POV? That would make sense given they're exploring that part of the mythos quite heavily this year with Earth 2. Maybe Smallville can be retconned as one of the 52 as well The 52's Flash is so fond of using have popped up in Supergirl. I bet that the official line will be that the Justice League movie is another of the Earths (Earth-5?), with Gotham potentially another Earth as well (Earth-6?). It's clear at the moment that the movies and the TV shows are fully independent of each other though, with Gotham not being related at all to the Arrowverse or Supergirl. The crossover does blur the lines between Flash and Supergirl. Metas seem to be the first powered people in the Arrowverse, so I'm certain Supergirl will be explaine as being one of the alternate Earths. For another show it would be cheap but the explanation is built into Flash so I think we'd all be cool with it. They did it a few times in Justice League ad it worked. Supergirl has the same showrunners as Arrow/Flash/Legends so even when they said they wouldn't be part of the same Universe, we all pretty much assumed something this would happen at some point. They've proven they love a crossover plenty already and no network is going to turn down rating grabbers. Gotham would maybe be a harder sell. Obviously different networks and showrunners entirely but also with a more explicit rating (is it TV-14?) which wouldn't sit as easily with the family-friendly Flash. Though Season 1 Arrow would have worked crossing with Gotham, before Arrow got watered down massively. Eventually we'll need "Crisis On Infinite TV Shows"!
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Post by omega on Feb 3, 2016 23:03:19 GMT
The 52's Flash is so fond of using have popped up in Supergirl. I bet that the official line will be that the Justice League movie is another of the Earths (Earth-5?), with Gotham potentially another Earth as well (Earth-6?). It's clear at the moment that the movies and the TV shows are fully independent of each other though, with Gotham not being related at all to the Arrowverse or Supergirl. The crossover does blur the lines between Flash and Supergirl. Metas seem to be the first powered people in the Arrowverse, so I'm certain Supergirl will be explaine as being one of the alternate Earths. For another show it would be cheap but the explanation is built into Flash so I think we'd all be cool with it. They did it a few times in Justice League ad it worked. Supergirl has the same showrunners as Arrow/Flash/Legends so even when they said they wouldn't be part of the same Universe, we all pretty much assumed something this would happen at some point. They've proven they love a crossover plenty already and no network is going to turn down rating grabbers. Gotham would maybe be a harder sell. Obviously different networks and showrunners entirely but also with a more explicit rating (is it TV-14?) which wouldn't sit as easily with the family-friendly Flash. Though Season 1 Arrow would have worked crossing with Gotham, before Arrow got watered down massively. Eventually we'll need "Crisis On Infinite TV Shows"! I'll watch it on my computer, on an Anti-Monitor. I can't see Gotham crossing over with the other DC shows, not just because there's no people the they have in common but because Gotham has a distinctly different tone. It's not fantastical like Flash, Legends of Tomorrow or even recent Arrow, and has a distinctly Nolan grittiness to it that the Arrowverse happily avoids for the most part.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 23:13:37 GMT
I can't see Gotham crossing over with the other DC shows, not just because there's no people the they have in common but because Gotham has a distinctly different tone. It's not fantastical like Flash, Legends of Tomorrow or even recent Arrow, and has a distinctly Nolan grittiness to it that the Arrowverse happily avoids for the most part. As I said Arrow Season 1 is the only time a crossover could have worked, tonally. It was the closest to Gotham in feel. by far. Though Gotham to me feels much more influenced by the freakery of Tim Burton's 1989 film. Not the sequel though. Gotham disappointing me more often than not. I was hoping for something like GCPD, one of the best bat-books ever, and instead they just want to be an origin story show.
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Post by icecreamdf on Feb 3, 2016 23:59:07 GMT
So, will this be a Flash episode or a Supergirl episode?
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Post by omega on Feb 4, 2016 0:03:34 GMT
So, will this be a Flash episode or a Supergirl episode? Supergirl episode featuring the Flash.
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Post by icecreamdf on Feb 4, 2016 0:39:18 GMT
So, will this be a Flash episode or a Supergirl episode? Supergirl episode featuring the Flash. Cool. I would think that a Flash episode featuring Supergirl would make more sense, since the multiverse has been established in The Flash, but I'm sure they'll make it work.
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Post by elkawho on Feb 4, 2016 2:36:10 GMT
Anyone else really disappointed in the Felicity storyline in Arrow? What was the point of her being paralyzed? They did nothing with it. A lame storyline about a pseudo-conflict with her subconscious self that was over in one episode and then all of a sudden she's the ultimate wheelchair girl. No therapy, no difficulty with anything. Why put her in a wheelchair if they're not going to do anything interesting with it?
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Post by omega on Feb 4, 2016 4:11:14 GMT
Anyone else really disappointed in the Felicity storyline in Arrow? What was the point of her being paralyzed? They did nothing with it. A lame storyline about a pseudo-conflict with her subconscious self that was over in one episode and then all of a sudden she's the ultimate wheelchair girl. No therapy, no difficulty with anything. Why put her in a wheelchair if they're not going to do anything interesting with it? At least it's better than the inevitable conflict between her and Oliver over his son that he isn't telling her about. Based on the listings for the upcoming episodes, that'll come into play in a few weeks. And the lack of secrets between the members of Team Arrow was going so well. Things are far better resolved when out in the open, not festering in Oliver's guilt or Merlyn's scheming.
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Post by randomjc on Feb 4, 2016 14:58:19 GMT
I still don't get why he hasn't told Felicity. What loyalty does he have to the mother that supersedes loyalty to Felicity? It's not like he cheated on her, and frankly if only one kid exists from Oli before the Island he's pretty lucky. It's not like Felicity wouldn't understand (maybe an initial outburst of anger, or hurt, because that's human). But this is just Oli keeping secrets because Oli needs a secret that will blow up his mayoral campaign.
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