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Post by Digi on Jul 28, 2018 11:05:17 GMT
Personally, I’m happy for a bit of a break. I think Nicola Bryant is a lovely lady, but to my ear, her ‘generic American’ accent is a bit...er...in need of improvement, let’s say (to say nothing about her not sounding remotely like she’s from Baltimore). I find that it grates much more when I hear a lot of it in a short span of time, so I appreciate being able to step away from Peri for a little while. Absence makes the heart grow fonder, and all those lovely clichés Honest question: Does anybody know whether Nicola Bryant has made a conscious decision to keep her American accent accurate to how she played it on the TV series, rather than improve it? That would explain a great deal in my mind.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 11:14:55 GMT
Honest question: Does anybody know whether Nicola Bryant has made a conscious decision to keep her American accent accurate to how she played it on the TV series, rather than improve it? That would explain a great deal in my mind. Yes, it comes up on the commentary for I think Mindwarp where she says she could do it better now but she feels she has to play Peri as was when doing BF (which I think they just say "audios".)
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Post by Digi on Jul 28, 2018 11:30:15 GMT
Honest question: Does anybody know whether Nicola Bryant has made a conscious decision to keep her American accent accurate to how she played it on the TV series, rather than improve it? That would explain a great deal in my mind. Yes, it comes up on the commentary for I think Mindwarp where she says she could do it better now but she feels she has to play Peri as was when doing BF (which I think they just say "audios".) Aha, perfect!
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Post by barnabaslives on Jul 29, 2018 0:36:54 GMT
Personally, I’m happy for a bit of a break. I think Nicola Bryant is a lovely lady, but to my ear, her ‘generic American’ accent is a bit...er...in need of improvement, let’s say (to say nothing about her not sounding remotely like she’s from Baltimore). I find that it grates much more when I hear a lot of it in a short span of time, so I appreciate being able to step away from Peri for a little while. Absence makes the heart grow fonder, and all those lovely clichés Honest question: Does anybody know whether Nicola Bryant has made a conscious decision to keep her American accent accurate to how she played it on the TV series, rather than improve it? That would explain a great deal in my mind. Personally I think it tends to be the way the character is written rather than Peri's accent that can be occasionally grating. The accent sounds fine to this particular American - in fact I think Peri is a brilliant effort on Nicola's part, the only thing I could find that would give away Nicola not actually being American during her TV tenure was a couple of times she read "idears" for "ideas". The only other person I can think of who's done that good of a job making me think they're from the US is John Barrowman. I think maybe it's a giveaway that Peri might be somewhat traditionally written to be slightly annoying (same with TV Tegan) that I do sometimes find her slightly annoying, and yet I find nothing annoying about the delightful if animated Peri fest that is Peri and the Piscon Paradox. I also think of Peri as THE Classic Sixth Doctor TV companion - Five has already had 4 others, and now that Seven has absconded with Mel once again on audio (without whom TV Seven would only have Ace)... Ta da, it's all in the arithmetic :-) I love it that Peri's a botanist, at least that's something that stands between her and being just another pretty malcontent :-), but getting to identify a plant every 15 or 20 stories might not be all that much in the way of actual character development, even it lends a little bit of justification and jubilation to my fondness for Peri. It might be interesting to see what happened if Big Finish found occasion to perhaps write her character to a little bit wider range?
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Post by omega on Jul 29, 2018 0:54:44 GMT
Personally, I’m happy for a bit of a break. I think Nicola Bryant is a lovely lady, but to my ear, her ‘generic American’ accent is a bit...er...in need of improvement, let’s say (to say nothing about her not sounding remotely like she’s from Baltimore). I find that it grates much more when I hear a lot of it in a short span of time, so I appreciate being able to step away from Peri for a little while. Absence makes the heart grow fonder, and all those lovely clichés Honest question: Does anybody know whether Nicola Bryant has made a conscious decision to keep her American accent accurate to how she played it on the TV series, rather than improve it? That would explain a great deal in my mind. Personally I think it tends to be the way the character is written rather than Peri's accent that can be occasionally grating. The accent sounds fine to this particular American - in fact I think Peri is a brilliant effort on Nicola's part, the only thing I could find that would give away Nicola not actually being American during her TV tenure was a couple of times she read "idears" for "ideas". The only other person I can think of who's done that good of a job making me think they're from the US is John Barrowman. I think maybe it's a giveaway that Peri might be somewhat traditionally written to be slightly annoying (same with TV Tegan) that I do sometimes find her slightly annoying, and yet I find nothing annoying about the delightful if animated Peri fest that is Peri and the Piscon Paradox. I also think of Peri as THE Classic Sixth Doctor TV companion - Five has already had 4 others, and now that Seven has absconded with Mel once again on audio (without whom TV Seven would only have Ace)... Ta da, it's all in the arithmetic :-) I love it that Peri's a botanist, at least that's something that stands between her and being just another pretty malcontent :-), but getting to identify a plant every 15 or 20 stories might not be all that much in the way of actual character development, even it lends a little bit of justification and jubilation to my fondness for Peri. It might be interesting to see what happened if Big Finish found occasion to perhaps write her character to a little bit wider range? If the Doctor and Peri cross over into the DC 'verse, then Peri could be the archenemy of Poison Ivy. As shown in Trouble in Paradise, thrusting Peri into a moment of American history has loads of potential. Putting her in more historical periods could bring out something that's only in Peri, since she's got a perspective other companions wouldn't have. Wild West, Civil War, Salem Witch trials (would the Sixth Doctor's coat be a sign of the devil?) etc, even looking into early 20th century moments like the San Francisco earthquake, the Great Depression or the Industrial Revolution. I can imagine Peri sitting one of the cars produced by Henry Ford, saying something about her father (Henry Ford, that's a historical guest character right there!). Of course listeners would complain about the accents, that's one of the constants of the universe along with death and taxes. Erimem in the early 20th century would be interesting as well, the dawn of the machine as an irreplaceable aspect in human civilisation. Gangsters and Al Capone! The ideas are endless. I wouldn't be surprised if the idea to nab Capone via his tax records came from a glib remark by Peri, or Erimem repeating something she heard the Doctor or Peri say.
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Post by Digi on Jul 29, 2018 1:12:22 GMT
Personally, I’m happy for a bit of a break. I think Nicola Bryant is a lovely lady, but to my ear, her ‘generic American’ accent is a bit...er...in need of improvement, let’s say (to say nothing about her not sounding remotely like she’s from Baltimore). I find that it grates much more when I hear a lot of it in a short span of time, so I appreciate being able to step away from Peri for a little while. Absence makes the heart grow fonder, and all those lovely clichés Honest question: Does anybody know whether Nicola Bryant has made a conscious decision to keep her American accent accurate to how she played it on the TV series, rather than improve it? That would explain a great deal in my mind. Personally I think it tends to be the way the character is written rather than Peri's accent that can be occasionally grating. The accent sounds fine to this particular American - in fact I think Peri is a brilliant effort on Nicola's part, the only thing I could find that would give away Nicola not actually being American during her TV tenure was a couple of times she read "idears" for "ideas". The only other person I can think of who's done that good of a job making me think they're from the US is John Barrowman. I think maybe it's a giveaway that Peri might be somewhat traditionally written to be slightly annoying (same with TV Tegan) that I do sometimes find her slightly annoying, and yet I find nothing annoying about the delightful if animated Peri fest that is Peri and the Piscon Paradox. I also think of Peri as THE Classic Sixth Doctor TV companion - Five has already had 4 others, and now that Seven has absconded with Mel once again on audio (without whom TV Seven would only have Ace)... Ta da, it's all in the arithmetic :-) I love it that Peri's a botanist, at least that's something that stands between her and being just another pretty malcontent :-), but getting to identify a plant every 15 or 20 stories might not be all that much in the way of actual character development, even it lends a little bit of justification and jubilation to my fondness for Peri. It might be interesting to see what happened if Big Finish found occasion to perhaps write her character to a little bit wider range? I find that little things like that seem to happen quite a lot with Peri...it grates at me quite a lot. But as was said up above, Ms Bryant is (in her BF performances) doing it deliberately, to line up with how the character sounded on TV. Regarding Barrowman, however, that's his natural voice, he's not putting on an American accent.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 1:44:22 GMT
Personally, I’m happy for a bit of a break. I think Nicola Bryant is a lovely lady, but to my ear, her ‘generic American’ accent is a bit...er...in need of improvement, let’s say (to say nothing about her not sounding remotely like she’s from Baltimore). I find that it grates much more when I hear a lot of it in a short span of time, so I appreciate being able to step away from Peri for a little while. Absence makes the heart grow fonder, and all those lovely clichés Honest question: Does anybody know whether Nicola Bryant has made a conscious decision to keep her American accent accurate to how she played it on the TV series, rather than improve it? That would explain a great deal in my mind. Personally I think it tends to be the way the character is written rather than Peri's accent that can be occasionally grating. The accent sounds fine to this particular American - in fact I think Peri is a brilliant effort on Nicola's part, the only thing I could find that would give away Nicola not actually being American during her TV tenure was a couple of times she read "idears" for "ideas". The only other person I can think of who's done that good of a job making me think they're from the US is John Barrowman. I think maybe it's a giveaway that Peri might be somewhat traditionally written to be slightly annoying (same with TV Tegan) that I do sometimes find her slightly annoying, and yet I find nothing annoying about the delightful if animated Peri fest that is Peri and the Piscon Paradox. I also think of Peri as THE Classic Sixth Doctor TV companion - Five has already had 4 others, and now that Seven has absconded with Mel once again on audio (without whom TV Seven would only have Ace)... Ta da, it's all in the arithmetic :-) I love it that Peri's a botanist, at least that's something that stands between her and being just another pretty malcontent :-), but getting to identify a plant every 15 or 20 stories might not be all that much in the way of actual character development, even it lends a little bit of justification and jubilation to my fondness for Peri. It might be interesting to see what happened if Big Finish found occasion to perhaps write her character to a little bit wider range? Well, let's see... *counts thoughtfully on fingers* Her mother and stepfather are archaeologists (maybe she picked up a little bit by osmosis?), her father died in a boating accident (she might have experience sailing?), they did a lot of international travel (there've got to be a few things you pick up jumping from country-to-country), lived in Baltimore for a time (what world events went on there when she was growing up?), she used to read Swamp Thing (comics buff?), did a lot of reading in high school and was a first-year university student at Cal State when she went to Lanzarote. On my seven fingers here (which I really should have looked at...), there's a wealth of things that writers could draw on these days to give the character a bit more texture. Much more than way back in 1985/86.
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Post by Ela on Jul 29, 2018 3:55:38 GMT
I've heard John Barrowman say that he lost his Scottish accent super quick after his family moved to the US and kids picked on him for his accent.
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Post by omega on Jul 29, 2018 4:32:08 GMT
Personally I think it tends to be the way the character is written rather than Peri's accent that can be occasionally grating. The accent sounds fine to this particular American - in fact I think Peri is a brilliant effort on Nicola's part, the only thing I could find that would give away Nicola not actually being American during her TV tenure was a couple of times she read "idears" for "ideas". The only other person I can think of who's done that good of a job making me think they're from the US is John Barrowman. I think maybe it's a giveaway that Peri might be somewhat traditionally written to be slightly annoying (same with TV Tegan) that I do sometimes find her slightly annoying, and yet I find nothing annoying about the delightful if animated Peri fest that is Peri and the Piscon Paradox. I also think of Peri as THE Classic Sixth Doctor TV companion - Five has already had 4 others, and now that Seven has absconded with Mel once again on audio (without whom TV Seven would only have Ace)... Ta da, it's all in the arithmetic :-) I love it that Peri's a botanist, at least that's something that stands between her and being just another pretty malcontent :-), but getting to identify a plant every 15 or 20 stories might not be all that much in the way of actual character development, even it lends a little bit of justification and jubilation to my fondness for Peri. It might be interesting to see what happened if Big Finish found occasion to perhaps write her character to a little bit wider range? Well, let's see... *counts thoughtfully on fingers* Her mother and stepfather are archaeologists (maybe she picked up a little bit by osmosis?), her father died in a boating accident (she might have experience sailing?), they did a lot of international travel (there've got to be a few things you pick up jumping from country-to-country), lived in Baltimore for a time (what world events went on there when she was growing up?), she used to read Swamp Thing (comics buff?), did a lot of reading in high school and was a first-year university student at Cal State when she went to Lanzarote. On my seven fingers here (which I really should have looked at...), there's a wealth of things that writers could draw on these days to give the character a bit more texture. Much more than way back in 1985/86. The archaeology thing was used in Roof of the World, where Peri took a plaster cast of a monster's footprint. Her best friend was studying medicine at university, or at least had aspirations in the medical field, so maybe Peri picked up some of the lingo (that'd be handy if the TARDIS lands in a hospital drama setting like ER or Grey's Anatomy, she'd be Doctor Sexy MD). Her best friend's brother, who she connected with over their weird names (Perpugilliam and Nathaniel) was a football player. A boyfriend she had, Davy Silverman, also played football but was more of the traditional jock than Nate was portrayed as (for more information listen to Peri and the Piscon Paradox). So Peri knows something about football at least by osmosis (she remembers Davy as not being interested in the world outside the Rosebowl stadium, and didn't like her spending time away from him), perhaps some teamwork skills could be extrapolated from that background at least. At school she was one of the popular kids, so she knows how to interact with people and perhaps identify social hierarchies. Combine that with the archaeology, some sort of social anthropology maybe, figuring out how a society works by observing it. She'd have the human perspective that could pick up on what the Doctor may overlook.
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Post by bobod on Jul 29, 2018 11:46:26 GMT
I've heard John Barrowman say that he lost his Scottish accent super quick after his family moved to the US and kids picked on him for his accent. Aye, indeed. He IS putting on the American accent. He's just not only putting it on *for Captain Jack*. It's one he has adopted. He reverts to his Scottish accent when he wants to. He always says he speaks in it when back home in Scotland. When Miracle Day sent Jack to Scotland I was expecting to hear Jack try the native tongue.
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Post by bobod on Jul 29, 2018 11:48:33 GMT
Well, let's see... *counts thoughtfully on fingers* Her mother and stepfather are archaeologists (maybe she picked up a little bit by osmosis?), her father died in a boating accident (she might have experience sailing?), they did a lot of international travel (there've got to be a few things you pick up jumping from country-to-country), lived in Baltimore for a time (what world events went on there when she was growing up?), she used to read Swamp Thing (comics buff?), did a lot of reading in high school and was a first-year university student at Cal State when she went to Lanzarote. On my seven fingers here (which I really should have looked at...), there's a wealth of things that writers could draw on these days to give the character a bit more texture. Much more than way back in 1985/86. The archaeology thing was used in Roof of the World, where Peri took a plaster cast of a monster's footprint. Her best friend was studying medicine at university, or at least had aspirations in the medical field, so maybe Peri picked up some of the lingo (that'd be handy if the TARDIS lands in a hospital drama setting like ER or Grey's Anatomy, she'd be Doctor Sexy MD). Her best friend's brother, who she connected with over their weird names (Perpugilliam and Nathaniel) was a football player. A boyfriend she had, Davy Silverman, also played football but was more of the traditional jock than Nate was portrayed as (for more information listen to Peri and the Piscon Paradox). So Peri knows something about football at least by osmosis (she remembers Davy as not being interested in the world outside the Rosebowl stadium, and didn't like her spending time away from him), perhaps some teamwork skills could be extrapolated from that background at least. At school she was one of the popular kids, so she knows how to interact with people and perhaps identify social hierarchies. Combine that with the archaeology, some sort of social anthropology maybe, figuring out how a society works by observing it. She'd have the human perspective that could pick up on what the Doctor may overlook. Nathaniel is a weird name???
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 11:49:28 GMT
I've heard John Barrowman say that he lost his Scottish accent super quick after his family moved to the US and kids picked on him for his accent. Aye, indeed. He IS putting on the American accent. He's just not only putting it on *for Captain Jack*. It's one he has adopted. He reverts to his Scottish accent when he wants to. He always says he speaks in it when back home in Scotland. When Miracle Day sent Jack to Scotland I was expecting to hear Jack try the native tongue. I think he tried the Scottish when auditioning for Jack as well. I still think we should have a Torchwood 2 audio - we know TW2 was run by one man in Glasgow from Series 1 - and have John do both parts in his fake and real accents.
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Post by omega on Jul 29, 2018 11:52:08 GMT
The archaeology thing was used in Roof of the World, where Peri took a plaster cast of a monster's footprint. Her best friend was studying medicine at university, or at least had aspirations in the medical field, so maybe Peri picked up some of the lingo (that'd be handy if the TARDIS lands in a hospital drama setting like ER or Grey's Anatomy, she'd be Doctor Sexy MD). Her best friend's brother, who she connected with over their weird names (Perpugilliam and Nathaniel) was a football player. A boyfriend she had, Davy Silverman, also played football but was more of the traditional jock than Nate was portrayed as (for more information listen to Peri and the Piscon Paradox). So Peri knows something about football at least by osmosis (she remembers Davy as not being interested in the world outside the Rosebowl stadium, and didn't like her spending time away from him), perhaps some teamwork skills could be extrapolated from that background at least. At school she was one of the popular kids, so she knows how to interact with people and perhaps identify social hierarchies. Combine that with the archaeology, some sort of social anthropology maybe, figuring out how a society works by observing it. She'd have the human perspective that could pick up on what the Doctor may overlook. Nathaniel is a weird name??? Ask the writer, it’s in dialogue from The Reaping. I first saw the name in The Bartimaeus trilogy in 2005.
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Post by bobod on Jul 29, 2018 11:58:47 GMT
Nathaniel is a weird name??? Ask the writer, it’s in dialogue from The Reaping. I first saw the name in The Bartimaeus trilogy in 2005. It may have been me that suggested Joe used the name Nathaniel myself... I can't remember for sure. I'm 99% sure it was - when he wanted an old-fashioned but still believable name. I first heard the name in the 1970s whenever I was first told what my grandad and Uncle Nat's names were.
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Post by bobod on Jul 29, 2018 12:02:19 GMT
JNT was ahead of his time - getting Nicola to keep the accents up in public appearances. If this forum had been going in the 80s, as soon as someone said they didn't like her accent, someone would have linked to her on Breakfast Time and said 'No, look, it's her own accent!'.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 12:03:32 GMT
Nathaniel is a weird name??? Ask the writer, it’s in dialogue from The Reaping. I first saw the name in The Bartimaeus trilogy in 2005. I thought you watched the DC shows. Nathaniel is one of the main characters in Legends Of Tomorrow. Nathaniel Clyne is Liverpool's right back. Nat King Cole? The main character in Last Of The Mohicans? It's not a common name now but not all that rare either. Especially not in the same league as Perpugilliam which was I believe made up.
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Post by omega on Jul 29, 2018 12:08:49 GMT
Ask the writer, it’s in dialogue from The Reaping. I first saw the name in The Bartimaeus trilogy in 2005. I thought you watched the DC shows. Nathaniel is one of the main characters in Legends Of Tomorrow. Nathaniel Clyne is Liverpool's right back. Nat King Cole? The main character in Last Of The Mohicans? It's not a common name now but not all that rare either. Especially not in the same league as Perpugilliam which was I believe made up. The Arrowverse began in 2012 (Legends has only had three seasons so far, with Nate introduced in season 2), and I wasn't in a position to watch the DCAU until the past few years (it wasn't really on Indian television). Even then, I don't know if that version of the character was in the DCAU. I did say 2005. As for Perpugilliam, what book did JNT get that out of?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 12:12:12 GMT
I thought you watched the DC shows. Nathaniel is one of the main characters in Legends Of Tomorrow. Nathaniel Clyne is Liverpool's right back. Nat King Cole? The main character in Last Of The Mohicans? It's not a common name now but not all that rare either. Especially not in the same league as Perpugilliam which was I believe made up. The Arrowverse began in 2012 (Legends has only had three seasons so far, with Nate introduced in season 2), and I wasn't in a position to watch the DCAU until the past few years (it wasn't really on Indian television). Even then, I don't know if that version of the character was in the DCAU. I did say 2005. As for Perpugilliam, what book did JNT get that out of? No, no - I wasn't responding to the first time you remember the name but rather, as Bobod did, the notion it's a weird name in any way - certainly not in the same ballpark off oddity as Peri's was. And as I said I think Perpugilliam was made up. Could be wrong.
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Post by omega on Jul 29, 2018 12:22:00 GMT
Back to The Reaping, wasn't it implied that Nate had a thing for Peri? One of his strategies could have been to bond over their weird names (hormonal teenager/young adult, it happens), since the context of the dialogue is Peri trying to comfort Nate.
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Post by mark687 on Jul 29, 2018 14:18:25 GMT
Back to The Reaping, wasn't it implied that Nate had a thing for Peri? One of his strategies could have been to bond over their weird names (hormonal teenager/young adult, it happens), since the context of the dialogue is Peri trying to comfort Nate. Peri had a thing for Nate, for his part Nate sort of fancied Peri's Mum!
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