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Post by glutamodo on Oct 28, 2015 2:46:51 GMT
Bumbles, that's a very good point, something I didn't even consider!
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Post by acousticwolf on Oct 28, 2015 8:57:34 GMT
I'm really not sure how I feel about this (which might be caused by coming to the party late).
Its just a shame Nick didn't see (and respond) to the email at the time. If timings had been better it could have worked out in their favour. Announce 10th adventures, get all the hype out of the way and then shock everyone with John Hurt.
As for commenting on this type of thing, we should carry on (unless Nick specifically asks us not to) but I agree it should be under a spoiler heading (as the old rumour threads used to be when the Mirror leaked info).
Cheers
Tony
EDIT: that last paragraph isn't really relevant to this thread, I'm a bit out of sorts at the moment lol.
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Post by acousticwolf on Oct 28, 2015 9:14:23 GMT
Anyway to ramble on. Surely BF would have spoken to DT and CT separately (through agents) and if they were seen together at BF's offices wouldn't that be when they were actually recording? If that's the case, why would the project be put in jeopardy by that point? If anything it probably caused more hype than disappointment.
Cheers
Tony
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Post by brax on Oct 28, 2015 10:23:59 GMT
What has sadly been missed in the deletion of Nick's post is that he did correct the claim that Blogtor hadn't asked whether he should run the story.
Nick confirmed that he went back and looked, and that his initial memory (and therefore his post) was mistaken. Cam did ask whether he should or shouldn't run it, and Nick decided he was best served just not responding at all after his initial non comment.
So Cam was telling the truth, and Nick's recollection was incorrect. Nick suggested yesterday that perhaps Blogtor should have told them who his source was, which I just find completely off-the-beam. Cam is a journalist. Journalists don't reveal sources to the subjects of their stories. It's basic journalistic ethics.
In the end, everything worked out ok, and it seems with hindsight everyone could have handled things better. I enjoy both of their work, and will continue to do so.
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Post by jasonward on Oct 28, 2015 10:54:30 GMT
I wasn't aware of the Nick's correction, thank you for posting about it. To me, that means that the problems that existed were because of BF's lack of experience when handling high profile items, I guess in future they will be better placed after this experience, or perhaps, if they know they are going to continue to be the centre of press speculation they need to appoint some kind of press offices, or start working with a PR agency.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Oct 28, 2015 12:27:11 GMT
I've read Nick Briggs' statement and do concur with what he says. From my point of view, the news given online by said person got me excited. But I wasn't prepared to accept until BF officially confirmed since that's what I look for to know that it's certain the go-ahead for Ten/Donna was real. I think it was a mistake to unveil the news before BF actually confirmed it. It was too good to be true and I know that I would have been disappointed if the news had been false. But now it's officially confirmed, I can set my mind at rest and be happy that David Tennant and Catherine Tate are back to do more BF audios for BF. I thank Nick Briggs for being honest and sincere about this and for letting us know about how he felt regarding the leak. Tim.
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Post by satmanager on Oct 29, 2015 7:39:06 GMT
My view is that most actors and their agents are aware that the press are always looking for news to break and leaks are likely to occur. I don't think a leak in itself would derail the negotiations unless either BF or the other parties used it to gain advantage.
So all well that ends well. We get the start of the 10th Doctor era with BF, now to wait for next bombshell.
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Post by omega on Oct 29, 2015 8:23:10 GMT
Theory: the fact that the leak happened, regardless of content, and the mishandling of the situation, ie the retracted Facebook post, would have reflected poorly on Big Finish's marketing and PR. This would affect future potential projects of similar magnitude, where the marketing is a vital aspect. One idea I did have was that the news being out of Big Finish's hands prematurely affected both the intended marketing and the spread of the news. The most serious aspect of the leak, publicly at least, was the leak of the banner for the Tenth Doctor range, which surfaced on the internet a good couple of days at least before the official announcement. When I first saw it, I thought it was a clever photoshop. Since the incident was a one-off, hopefully, this shouldn't affect Big Finish's reputation.
I wonder if the decision to make the box set exclusive to the Big Finish website is related to the leak in any way.
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Post by barnabaslives on Oct 29, 2015 9:42:48 GMT
jbmasta, I think you're probably right on target that there may well be concerns about future projects and negotiations rather than the concern being just about the Tenth Doctor audio series. I could see why that, or the source of the leak, might be very troubling for Nick, or why he might feel responsible. I don't think he's at fault, though - and it sounds as if a huge part of this is that... someone... somehow took a lack of a reply as a green light.
Dunno if PR can help that, but also I can imagine that's really frustrating apart from any possible legal or contractual or marketing concerns - however well-meaning the leak might have been, everyone else has to keep their lip zipped even if they're bursting at the seams about it. I think David Richardson is quoted as saying they've had to keep 10 & Donna news under wraps for a whole year, that's got to be a very solemn, serious commitment that I respect and admire them for living up to.
I suppose it's not as if one can make such things go away by just ignoring them, but on the other hand I have a really hard time taking rumors seriously unless things are confirmed by Big Finish themselves, even the banner leak - making a banner with DT's picture is a very different thing than actually hiring him - so hopefully no harm was really done in that sense (other than me staying up way past my bedtime waiting for the announcement to actually appear on the BF News page). :-)
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Post by jasonward on Oct 29, 2015 11:12:05 GMT
Decent PR people help in so much as they know how to work with the press and almost certainly would have been able to get the early release held back or moulded in some way such that any damage was minimised.
As for the banner, the only banner I saw was on BF's site, so almost certainly not a fake.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Oct 29, 2015 15:10:10 GMT
Theory: the fact that the leak happened, regardless of content, and the mishandling of the situation, ie the retracted Facebook post, would have reflected poorly on Big Finish's marketing and PR. This would affect future potential projects of similar magnitude, where the marketing is a vital aspect. One idea I did have was that the news being out of Big Finish's hands prematurely affected both the intended marketing and the spread of the news. The most serious aspect of the leak, publicly at least, was the leak of the banner for the Tenth Doctor range, which surfaced on the internet a good couple of days at least before the official announcement. When I first saw it, I thought it was a clever photoshop. Since the incident was a one-off, hopefully, this shouldn't affect Big Finish's reputation. I wonder if the decision to make the box set exclusive to the Big Finish website is related to the leak in any way. If you're right and this were the situation, I hope it wouldn't mean no 11th or 12th Doctor audio dramas in the future. 9th Doctor ones are never going to happen anyway but I'm sure Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi would be more than keen to return for audio.
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Post by jasonward on Oct 29, 2015 15:34:03 GMT
...9th Doctor ones are never going to happen... You seem insistent on repeating this, so be it, but could you perhaps find a way of expressing it as an opinion and not an apparent fact?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Oct 29, 2015 21:56:36 GMT
...9th Doctor ones are never going to happen... You seem insistent on repeating this, so be it, but could you perhaps find a way of expressing it as an opinion and not an apparent fact? I don't see why I should have to add 'In my opinion' onto the end of everything I say. I'd have thought it obvious it's my opinion they're never going to happen. The likelihood is slim.
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Post by jasonward on Oct 29, 2015 22:54:58 GMT
But it is only your opinion, I happen to hold a different opinion, but if everyone goes around stating their opinions as if they are factual reports, newbies will get confused and almost without doubt arguments will erupt.
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Post by Polar Bear on Oct 30, 2015 15:37:22 GMT
You seem insistent on repeating this, so be it, but could you perhaps find a way of expressing it as an opinion and not an apparent fact? I don't see why I should have to add 'In my opinion' onto the end of everything I say. I'd have thought it obvious it's my opinion they're never going to happen. The likelihood is slim. Here are some alternatives: ..., IMO. ..., AFAIK. I'll bet .... It seems unlikely 9th Doctor ... It seems impossible 9th Doctor... It seems improbable... It looks unlikely 9th Doctor... It looks impossible 9th Doctor... It looks improbable 9th Doctor... I'd be surprised if 9th Doctor... I'd be shocked if 9th Doctor ... This is a partial list, written in 4-5 minutes, all showing opinion instead of making a statement as if it were fact.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Oct 30, 2015 16:14:30 GMT
Release the cat into the pigeons....
We have the ninth doctor... Though he seems to want.to call himself the war doctor...
Aye right.
The 10th doctor... The Eccleston one... Is unlikely to appear being played by the original actor...
But the same was true of Tom... For years.
We are fans of who... We live in a state of perpetual disappointed and hope...
This is our crime and our punishment
And as for PR?
I've never met one who wasn't a self serving idiot.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Oct 30, 2015 20:25:48 GMT
I don't see why I should have to add 'In my opinion' onto the end of everything I say. I'd have thought it obvious it's my opinion they're never going to happen. The likelihood is slim. Here are some alternatives: ..., IMO. ..., AFAIK. I'll bet .... It seems unlikely 9th Doctor ... It seems impossible 9th Doctor... It seems improbable... It looks unlikely 9th Doctor... It looks impossible 9th Doctor... It looks improbable 9th Doctor... I'd be surprised if 9th Doctor... I'd be shocked if 9th Doctor ... This is a partial list, written in 4-5 minutes, all showing opinion instead of making a statement as if it were fact. Language. Love it. Embrace it. Use it.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Oct 30, 2015 20:28:25 GMT
The 10th doctor... The Eccleston one... Is unlikely to appear being played by the original actor... But the same was true of Tom... For years. I always get the impression from Tom Baker whenever you see interviews with him that like William Hartnell he simply WAS the Doctor in his mind. I've never got that from Christopher Eccleston. I may be wrong but he always seems like he wants to ignore his time in the role and that he'd be happy if he was never asked about the show again.
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Post by grazey on Oct 31, 2015 2:28:54 GMT
Let us remember the days when seemed like Janet fielding would never do big finish but alas it happened. Same with Adric and same with Tom. If anybody could do it big finish can. If he truly hated doctor who as much as dalekbuster seems to think he would never have did the intro for the bfi for the 9th doctor cinema screening in 2013 or helped some fans get engaged or the numerous times I've heard he is willing to talk to young fans In passing about the time on the show. The issues with the show boils down to the people who were on top rather than the show itself. With big finish not being part of the bbc the situation is different. Never say never right even if it takes 20 years
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Oct 31, 2015 7:50:29 GMT
dalekbuster seems to think he would never have did the intro for the bfi for the 9th doctor cinema screening in 2013 or helped some fans get engaged or the numerous times I've heard he is willing to talk to young fans In passing about the time on the show. I must admit I'm surprised he does any of them, although he may be paid a lot to do it. Still, I said John Hurt would never do Big Finish so I'd love to be wrong.
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