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Post by nucleusofswarm on Aug 25, 2017 23:33:42 GMT
Do you believe in the old addage of 'eye for an eye' in law, order and justice, or do you see this punishment as outdated and ineffective as a deterant?
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Post by barnabaslives on Aug 25, 2017 23:58:16 GMT
I guess I'm inclined to think that many of the people who we most want to deter with it, may be too out of touch to actually be deterred by it?
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Post by jasonward on Aug 26, 2017 2:53:53 GMT
There's no evidence to that the death penalty serves as deterrence, and the vast majority of criminologists believe it has no deterrence effect *. As for an eye for an eye, no I don't believe in that adage at all, indeed I find it morally reprehensible. * Google it
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Aug 26, 2017 3:27:31 GMT
Take aways peoples freedom and money.. if that doesn't work.. then yes (obviously depending on the crime of course)..
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Post by Timelord007 on Aug 26, 2017 7:15:11 GMT
No because how many innocent people have already died being unfairly convicted, the justice system isn't always right & evidence has turned up in cases that have freed wrongly convicted criminals, well if your sent to your death & evidence then turns up your innocent it proves the system is flawed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2017 13:48:49 GMT
Nay!
If capital punishment worked as a deterrent there wouldn't be thousands of people on Death Row in American prisons. Also, there is no way back if a person is wrongly convicted. (Derek Bentley being a good example.)
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Post by fingersmash on Aug 26, 2017 14:35:57 GMT
No crime is worth a person's life and the sooner we figure that out, the better off we are as a society.
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Post by sherlock on Aug 26, 2017 16:14:29 GMT
Nay. There's a fair amount of evidence out there that it doesn't act as a deterrent and there's more than enough cases of miscarriages of justices to justify worries about wrongful executions, it's just not worth the risk imo.
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Post by anothermanicmondas on Aug 26, 2017 16:58:00 GMT
No Miscarriages of justice happen -it is possible to try to make some form of restitution if the wrongly convicted person is still alive. To act as a deterrent you would need to the killer to think about the consequences to them and believe they will be caught and convicted. If they don't think (or don't care), or expect to get away with it there is no deterrence.
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Post by muckypup on Aug 26, 2017 19:22:09 GMT
No....but I do believe in punishment then rehabilitation.
Just removing people's freedom is no longer a deterrent
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Aug 26, 2017 20:06:51 GMT
I don't believe that the death penalty is a deterrence to crime. I do believe that some people commit some crimes so heinous that they take away their right to exist. I also believe that every avenue has to be exhausted before someone is put to death. Especially DNA testing. Frankly this is an issue I've struggled with for a long time and don't view it as being so clear cut as some people here.
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Post by escalus5 on Aug 26, 2017 20:36:36 GMT
There's no evidence to that the death penalty serves as deterrence, Really? Have you ever been to Singapore?
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Post by jasonward on Aug 26, 2017 21:55:46 GMT
There's no evidence to that the death penalty serves as deterrence, Really? Have you ever been to Singapore? Really. Have you been to Alpha-Centuri?
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Post by Digi on Sept 12, 2017 11:43:00 GMT
Strong nay.
But I do fully support getting medieval on rapists, child molesters, and people who talk during movies.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 11:58:41 GMT
Strong nay. But I do fully support getting medieval on rapists, child molesters, and people who talk during movies. Ah, those consigned to the special hell. Yay or nay? I can honestly say that don't know. There are strong and logical arguments for both sides. It's a very difficult decision to make.
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Post by lidar2 on Sept 13, 2017 12:44:05 GMT
Strong nay. But I do fully support getting medieval on rapists, child molesters, and people who talk during movies. Ah, those consigned to the special hell. Yay or nay? I can honestly say that don't know. There are strong and logical arguments for both sides. It's a very difficult decision to make. I tend to agree and can see the arguments on both sides. Only thing I would add, and what swings me to be against it on balance, is that if it were to be re-introduced, there would be so many safeguards / appeals built in that it would end up being horrendously expensive for the taxpayer and a gravy train for lawyers.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Sept 13, 2017 13:48:48 GMT
Why does this thread exist on our forum? Seriously guys, when this place was set up after the closure of BF's forum can any of us imagine that this is what we'd be talking about? I certainly can't. And there are others like it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 17:36:57 GMT
Do you believe in the old addage of 'eye for an eye' in law, order and justice, or do you see this punishment as outdated and ineffective as a deterant? No. Because an eye for an eye has nothing to do with law, order & justice. It is simple revenge.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Sept 13, 2017 18:04:58 GMT
Why does this thread exist on our forum? Seriously guys, when this place was set up after the closure of BF's forum can any of us imagine that this is what we'd be talking about? I certainly can't. And there are others like it. Because this is a part of the forum alloted to these discussions, and we should be able to have them, as long as they don't violate guidelines. Forgive me Charles, but I didn't see you complain in threads devoted to Trump, the war on terror, the trans debate or a myriad of other mature topics that don't concern a blue police box.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Sept 13, 2017 19:15:57 GMT
Ok. I am acting alone and ive never done this before so you must all know how serious this is.
I am locking this thread and asking you not to continue discussing this here.
This subject is too off topic and I'd basically click bate.
99.9% of people already have their opinion on this matter and it is fixed.
So... In the interests of sanity
Let's stop.
There are other places to talk about this.
Not here. We are nice people.
When I set up this place my only rule was
Play nice.
I still stand by that.
THREAD LOCKED
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