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Post by frisby78 on Jan 27, 2020 23:40:52 GMT
True, true but we don't know what goes on behind the scenes. Also, sadly, I don't think Michael Craze would be that concerned... Well yeah, I realize he's too busy being deceased to mind one way or the other, but I understand wanting to respect the legacy and not overtaking him as the longest-serving Ben Jackson, is what I was trying to say lol. Oh I was just joshing. It just seems an odd decision to me.
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Post by mark687 on Jan 30, 2020 16:03:13 GMT
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Post by frisby78 on Jan 30, 2020 16:17:03 GMT
I think everyone guessed it!! 😂
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Post by slithe on Jan 31, 2020 20:22:23 GMT
Hmm... Subterfuge looks quite interesting and is very 7th Doctorish. Reeks of intrigue and mystery which will be a great one for McCoy to get his teeth into. I think BF are playing their cards close to their chests with the releases now - notice that only March's details were given out and not the others (as would have been the case previously). I will probably resubscribe but a few more details would have been nice for the next few releases - even if just sketchy ones at this stage.
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Post by lidar2 on Jan 31, 2020 21:47:01 GMT
I think everyone guessed it!! 😂 So will this now be known officially as the "Evil Timelord Trilogy"
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Post by Whovitt on Jan 31, 2020 22:56:11 GMT
I think everyone guessed it!! 😂 So will this now be known officially as the "Evil Timelord Trilogy" I like the idea of the "Renegades Trilogy", in line with the Omega/ Davros/ Master "Villains Trilogy"
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Post by Zagreus on Jan 31, 2020 22:58:46 GMT
Odd that they haven't had Redmond back in to face off against McCoy. Would have been a perfect time for it.
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Post by Whovitt on Jan 31, 2020 23:06:09 GMT
Odd that they haven't had Redmond back in to face off against McCoy. Would have been a perfect time for it. I seem to recall hearing that the Rani rights are a bit of a problem at the moment (I know no more than that). It's a shame, as I recently listened to The Rani Elite for the first time and thought she was terrific.
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Post by number13 on Feb 1, 2020 0:51:50 GMT
Odd that they haven't had Redmond back in to face off against McCoy. Would have been a perfect time for it. I seem to recall hearing that the Rani rights are a bit of a problem at the moment (I know no more than that). It's a shame, as I recently listened to The Rani Elite for the first time and thought she was terrific. Me too - and in 'Planet of the Rani' which I much preferred as a story.
Agree on 'The Renegades Trilogy', because the Monk isn't really evil is he? Can be greedy and selfish, meddles incompetently (sometimes while genuinely trying to 'help') but he's not Master/Rani/Eleven style evil.
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Post by Zagreus on Feb 1, 2020 5:16:57 GMT
I'm still intrigued that when Seven was namechecking renegades in Dark Universe, and comparing their individual brands of evil to The Eleven, he listed The Master, The Rani, The Monk... and The Player. You know, from The Plague of Dreams.
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Post by cwm on Feb 1, 2020 9:24:20 GMT
I'm still intrigued that when Seven was namechecking renegades in Dark Universe, and comparing their individual brands of evil to The Eleven, he listed The Master, The Rani, The Monk... and The Player. You know, from The Plague of Dreams. Both stories are by Guy Adams, so I presume he just thought it was a fun link back to his earlier story.
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Post by frisby78 on Feb 1, 2020 9:32:13 GMT
I seem to recall hearing that the Rani rights are a bit of a problem at the moment (I know no more than that). It's a shame, as I recently listened to The Rani Elite for the first time and thought she was terrific. Me too - and in 'Planet of the Rani' which I much preferred as a story.
Agree on 'The Renegades Trilogy', because the Monk isn't really evil is he? Can be greedy and selfish, meddles incompetently (sometimes while genuinely trying to 'help') but he's not Master/Rani/Eleven style evil.
You could say he wasn't evil but I could say 'To The Death'.
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Post by tuigirl on Feb 1, 2020 10:15:41 GMT
Me too - and in 'Planet of the Rani' which I much preferred as a story.
Agree on 'The Renegades Trilogy', because the Monk isn't really evil is he? Can be greedy and selfish, meddles incompetently (sometimes while genuinely trying to 'help') but he's not Master/Rani/Eleven style evil.
You could say he wasn't evil but I could say 'To The Death'. I thought that one was a bit out of character, personally.
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Post by frisby78 on Feb 1, 2020 10:35:18 GMT
You could say he wasn't evil but I could say 'To The Death'. I thought that one was a bit out of character, personally. True, true, but he is certainly capable of evil acts.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 13:20:59 GMT
I thought that one was a bit out of character, personally. True, true, but he is certainly capable of evil acts. Our more sinister renegades do seem to operate on a fairly wide spectrum of what qualifies as evil. They're all self-serving, in one manner or another, but how they express that tends to vary from being-to-being. The Master's cruelty and need for control, the Rani's deeply unapologetic self-interest, the Monk... There's an almost wilful naiveté to him. All of it is a game where the consequences don't really apply to him. Time travel is a parlour trick to him. Almost as if being a Time Lord is his excuse for his meddling. The Time Lords often criticise the Doctor for being irresponsible, but... Mmn, I think the Monk's a much better fit for that. Someone who truly treats space-and-time like his own personal playground.
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Post by number13 on Feb 1, 2020 13:26:41 GMT
You could say he wasn't evil but I could say 'To The Death'. I thought that one was a bit out of character, personally. Also, 'The Black Hole'. I love the story but I don't think they always get the Monk right in the script - his actions are too violent. Of course I'm looking back to the Butterworth Monk and every incarnation will be different, but the fundamentals shouldn't change imo. Now they seem to be trying to make him into a 'greedy businessman' type, which is OK but I thought his original motivation of trying to change history to 'improve' things in the wider sense (and cash in on the results, of course!) was much better.
To me 'The Time Meddler' is still the perfect Monk story: help England, save many lives and prevent years of oppression by stopping the invasions of 1066, who could object to that? And collect rich rewards from grateful King Harold! Ruin the timelines of course, but hey that's his m.o. and I'm sure he thought it would all work out in Time... if not he could give history another tweak and then... A total menace to history, always on the make and bound to cause disaster, but not evil.
My favourite BF Monk story is easily John Dorney's 'Divorced, Beheaded, Regenerated' in Missy. It's glorious, riotous fun and he's terrified when they meet - as he should be; he's a pain in the temporal posterior, she's a killer - or maybe not, depends on her mood...
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Post by tuigirl on Feb 1, 2020 14:19:49 GMT
I thought that one was a bit out of character, personally. Also, 'The Black Hole'. I love the story but I don't think they always get the Monk right in the script - his actions are too violent. Of course I'm looking back to the Butterworth Monk and every incarnation will be different, but the fundamentals shouldn't change imo. Now they seem to be trying to make him into a 'greedy businessman' type, which is OK but I thought his original motivation of trying to change history to 'improve' things in the wider sense (and cash in on the results, of course!) was much better.
To me 'The Time Meddler' is still the perfect Monk story: help England, save many lives and prevent years of oppression by stopping the invasions of 1066, who could object to that? And collect rich rewards from grateful King Harold! Ruin the timelines of course, but hey that's his m.o. and I'm sure he thought it would all work out in Time... if not he could give history another tweak and then... A total menace to history, always on the make and bound to cause disaster, but not evil.
My favourite BF Monk story is easily John Dorney's 'Divorced, Beheaded, Regenerated' in Missy. It's glorious, riotous fun and he's terrified when they meet - as he should be; he's a pain in the temporal posterior, she's a killer - or maybe not, depends on her mood...
I also like The Black Hole, but I agree to your thoughts on the Monk.
And yes, Divorced, Beheaded, Regenerated is just pure awesome. They work perfectly together.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Feb 2, 2020 15:59:39 GMT
I mean, I have no doubt Subertfuge will be a lot of fun and Hound will as good as ever, but then the cover... Ooph, Hound's head does not belong on that body. The proportions just look wrong, which is a shame - I think a lot of BF's recent covers have been really solid.
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Post by mbt66 on Feb 2, 2020 17:05:21 GMT
I mean, I have no doubt Subertfuge will be a lot of fun and Hound will as good as ever, but the the cover... Ooph, Hound's head does not belong on that body. The proportions just look wrong, which is a shame - I think a lot of BF's recent covers have been really solid. I just don’t recognise the centre character as Rufus Hound. Have they tried to make him look younger? But I love the Monk holding the Doctor’s umbrella!
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Post by fitzoliverj on Feb 2, 2020 17:27:24 GMT
I just don’t recognise the centre character as Rufus Hound. Have they tried to make him look younger? Possibly it's a recent photo with the moustache drawn on. A month or so back he was on Dave Gorman's tv show and was cleanshaven. I really struggled to 'see' him as himself.
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