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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 20:49:06 GMT
Same energy...... No.
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Post by lidar2 on Nov 13, 2019 9:56:59 GMT
Go for Jo!
Seriously though, what a weird election. I am normally a diehards Tory yet I am hoping they lose because of brexit and, going by your comment, you are not a Tory supporter yet on this occasion you want them to win.
I tend to agree with the Michael Heseltine line of reasoning - any harm done by a Labour government will be short term and can be undone by a future government, whereas the harm caused by brexit will be long term and it will be a long time before it is undone (by rejoining the EU) so on balance Corbyn is the lesser of 2 evils.
Yet I agree with you Corbyn is terrible by almost every standard, that's why I'm urging people to vote Liberal in the hope they would keep him on a tight leash in a hung Parliament
I normally vote Lib Dem, but i want Brexit done lol even if i voted Remain Fair dos.
But keep in mind that leaving with BJ's deal will not get brexit done - the complete opposite in fact. As has been said before by many people the withdrawal agreement is only the end of phase 1 (supposedly the easy bit).
If we leave with BJ's deal the next brexit drama following soon after in 2020 will be will we / won't we extend the transition - with a non-extension effectively the same as no-deal. Then if we do extend we have to pay into the EU budget, which will be a case of the EU just making up a figure that we have no choice but to pay, with the alternative being no deal for GB (shortage of food & medicines, massive queues at Dover, instant recession and loss of GDP, etc).
And assuming the extension is sorted, there will be the negotiations over the trade deal / long term relationship which will be very thorny and in which the EU will (to borrow Michael Gove's phrase) "hold all the cards". The French will demand fishing rights in UK waters, the Spanish will demand more say over Gibraltar, the Irish will want to carve off another slice of NI, and the rest of the EU will want us to keep following all the EU rules that we left the EU to get away from. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the Scottish will likely be leaving the UK so the British government will be then be bogged not in not just one, but two, sets of extremely thorny negotiations that will go on for years. As you can see, although I am a Remainer, I have no great love for the EU but the alternative is far worse.
So I would argue that the only way to get brexit done this side of 2025 is to be done with brexit altogether - and cancel the whole thing via a 2nd referendum
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 10:10:47 GMT
I normally vote Lib Dem, but i want Brexit done lol even if i voted Remain Fair dos.
But keep in mind that leaving with BJ's deal will not get brexit done - the complete opposite in fact. As has been said before by many people the withdrawal agreement is only the end of phase 1 (supposedly the easy bit).
If we leave with BJ's deal the next brexit drama following soon after in 2020 will be will we / won't we extend the transition - with a non-extension effectively the same as no-deal. Then if we do extend we have to pay into the EU budget, which will be a case of the EU just making up a figure that we have no choice but to pay, with the alternative being no deal for GB (shortage of food & medicines, massive queues at Dover, instant recession and loss of GDP, etc).
And assuming the extension is sorted, there will be the negotiations over the trade deal / long term relationship which will be very thorny and in which the EU will (to borrow Michael Gove's phrase) "hold all the cards". The French will demand fishing rights in UK waters, the Spanish will demand more say over Gibraltar, the Irish will want to carve off another slice of NI, and the rest of the EU will want us to keep following all the EU rules that we left the EU to get away from. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the Scottish will likely be leaving the UK so the British government will be then be bogged not in not just one, but two, sets of extremely thorny negotiations that will go on for years. As you can see, although I am a Remainer, I have no great love for the EU but the alternative is far worse.
So I would argue that the only way to get brexit done this side of 2025 is to be done with brexit altogether - and cancel the whole thing via a 2nd referendum
Or we could threaten to walk away without a deal. No - wait - we promised we wouldn't do that/legislated against it. Wonder why the EU has 'all the cards'...
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Nov 13, 2019 11:02:58 GMT
I normally vote Lib Dem, but i want Brexit done lol even if i voted Remain OMG. Can't believe that bizarre phrase, 'Brexit done' is being used by normal people! Its in the lexicon now
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 11:14:39 GMT
OMG. Can't believe that bizarre phrase, 'Brexit done' is being used by normal people! Its in the lexicon now Not in mine. It's a meaningless phrase.
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Post by lidar2 on Nov 13, 2019 12:12:50 GMT
Fair dos.
But keep in mind that leaving with BJ's deal will not get brexit done - the complete opposite in fact. As has been said before by many people the withdrawal agreement is only the end of phase 1 (supposedly the easy bit).
If we leave with BJ's deal the next brexit drama following soon after in 2020 will be will we / won't we extend the transition - with a non-extension effectively the same as no-deal. Then if we do extend we have to pay into the EU budget, which will be a case of the EU just making up a figure that we have no choice but to pay, with the alternative being no deal for GB (shortage of food & medicines, massive queues at Dover, instant recession and loss of GDP, etc).
And assuming the extension is sorted, there will be the negotiations over the trade deal / long term relationship which will be very thorny and in which the EU will (to borrow Michael Gove's phrase) "hold all the cards". The French will demand fishing rights in UK waters, the Spanish will demand more say over Gibraltar, the Irish will want to carve off another slice of NI, and the rest of the EU will want us to keep following all the EU rules that we left the EU to get away from. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the Scottish will likely be leaving the UK so the British government will be then be bogged not in not just one, but two, sets of extremely thorny negotiations that will go on for years. As you can see, although I am a Remainer, I have no great love for the EU but the alternative is far worse.
So I would argue that the only way to get brexit done this side of 2025 is to be done with brexit altogether - and cancel the whole thing via a 2nd referendum
Or we could threaten to walk away without a deal. No - wait - we promised we wouldn't do that/legislated against it. Wonder why the EU has 'all the cards'... The Benn Act has now expired as it related only to 31st October departure. If BJ won a majority he could in theory tear up his own deal and leave with no deal, although I don't for one moment think he would do that.
The reality is that the EU had all the cards from the day and hour the UK voted to leave in 2016. That is the inescapable reality. Only delusional fantasists like Farage and the ERG are unable to see it, and cynical opportunists like Boris are unwilling to contradict them. Threatening to leave with no deal is like the Sherriff in Blazing Saddles threatening to shoot himself - funny in a movie, pitiful in real life.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 12:58:51 GMT
Not in mine. It's a meaningless phrase. Is 'Do Brexit' more meaningful to you?
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Post by Timelord007 on Nov 13, 2019 13:03:49 GMT
Same energy...... No. Jeremy reminds me of the Doctor Who story The Face Of Evil, got as much charm & sensibility as Coco the Clown on Red Bull. Horrid man.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 13:20:42 GMT
Jeremy reminds me of the Doctor Who story The Face Of Evil, got as much charm & sensibility as Coco the Clown on Red Bull. Horrid man. Not as horrid as a Tory.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 4:46:47 GMT
Jeremy reminds me of the Doctor Who story The Face Of Evil, got as much charm & sensibility as Coco the Clown on Red Bull. Horrid man. Oh the man is a complete shambles, can you image that representing this country. Absolute vile individual.
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Post by Timelord007 on Nov 14, 2019 7:58:23 GMT
Jeremy reminds me of the Doctor Who story The Face Of Evil, got as much charm & sensibility as Coco the Clown on Red Bull. Horrid man. Oh the man is a complete shambles, can you image that representing this country. Absolute vile individual. I can't stand him bloody scruffy hobo.
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Post by Timelord007 on Nov 14, 2019 8:00:06 GMT
Jeremy reminds me of the Doctor Who story The Face Of Evil, got as much charm & sensibility as Coco the Clown on Red Bull. Horrid man. Not as horrid as a Tory. There all as bad as each other, there's not one politician I'd trust.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Nov 14, 2019 13:23:20 GMT
I don't have an issue with JC.
He has spoken to terrorists in the past and I have more issues with people not willing to talk at all.
And if we are to resort to physical references then the one who looks and walks like a tramp is boris.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 15:57:28 GMT
Phew! Thank goodness that voting in an election is still based on the wacky idea of registering our approval of the policies of a particular candidate / party rather than on looks and personality alone.
Just imagine...
We have three candidates in a general election - we can call them candidate A, B and C. Let's pretend for a moment that it's common knowledge that candidate A has a very tenuous grasp on the truth and his policies after withdrawing the country from...let's call it a 'union'.. would more than likely make that country poorer.
Let's pretend that candidate B has pretty much straddled the fence on the biggest issue to hit the country in decades since becoming leader of his party and has failed miserably to deal with a charge of prejudice against a particular branch of the British community.
Let's pretend that candidate C lacks experience in the leadership of a political party having held the role for less than six months and holds a voting record whilst her party was in a coalition with candidate A's party that was far from impressive.
Forget all that.
Imagine if we thought candidate A looked like 'a tramp' or, to borrow from the real world for a moment - a buffoon or an idiot - so candidate B and C were the better choice? Or if we thought candidate B looked like 'Coco the Clown on Red Bull', a 'complete shambles' or had the 'same energy' as a Cyberman from the defunct Dark Dimension storyline so candidate A and C received our vote instead? And what about candidate C? Do we vote for her because we like her ambition, against her because we think she is deluded in her ambition or just how high we rate her on the 'phwoar!' scale compared to candidates A and B?
I mean, how utterly ****** would the country be if it voted without thinking what the consequences would be? 🤔
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 16:19:19 GMT
Oh the man is a complete shambles, can you image that representing this country. Absolute vile individual. I can't stand him bloody scruffy hobo. He's an absolute disgrace, did you see him last year at the Sunday memorial service in London, all the leaders smartly dressed in black wool dress coats and that old tramp was in an old blue hooded anorak, looked like had just turned up from his allotment, a complete insult to those that died.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Nov 14, 2019 16:46:07 GMT
I normally vote Lib Dem, but i want Brexit done lol even if i voted Remain Fair dos.
the Irish will want to carve off another slice of NI
Nope. Nada. Ireland aint' Spain. Ireland was happy with the UK being in the EU and like yourself wants it to remain there, because that's the sanest solution for all. Besides the fact that Spain simply wants a land grab and pretty much no one in Gibraltar wants to be in Spain. Though Gibraltar could tone down the WE'RE BRITISH effect actually. In that climate I would sometimes like some tapas rather than egg and chips!
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Nov 14, 2019 16:48:23 GMT
I can't stand him bloody scruffy hobo. He's an absolute disgrace, did you see him last year at the Sunday memorial service in London, all the leaders smartly dressed in black wool dress coats and that old tramp was in an old blue hooded anorak, looked like had just turned up from his allotment, a complete insult to those that died. Was his appearance so bad that the BBC had to use an image of him from a previous year? No, didn't think so. There are a few disgraces in parliament, and Corbyn isn't one of them however much you dislike his politics.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 17:25:22 GMT
He's an absolute disgrace, did you see him last year at the Sunday memorial service in London, all the leaders smartly dressed in black wool dress coats and that old tramp was in an old blue hooded anorak, looked like had just turned up from his allotment, a complete insult to those that died. Was his appearance so bad that the BBC had to use an image of him from a previous year? No, didn't think so. There are a few disgraces in parliament, and Corbyn isn't one of them however much you dislike his politics. It was so bad that he was picked up on it in the tabloids and on TV yes. Corbyn is a disgrace no matter how you look at him. Just look at the state of that, completely disrespectful !!
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Post by sherlock on Nov 14, 2019 17:31:03 GMT
To lighten the mood...this is either a really bizarre photo or a photoshop which fooled two newspapers...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 18:23:16 GMT
To lighten the mood...this is either a really bizarre photo or a photoshop which fooled two newspapers... A gift from Nabil Shaban, apparently. Does this qualify as a political donation?
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