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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 13:52:09 GMT
I didn't think much of the Leaders Debate last night. I doubt anyone in the UK would change their voting preference based on the rhetoric and cliches we heard from both party leaders. I thought they both came across poorly and it shows what bad options the UK voters have to choose between in December's election. I learnt nothing new about policies from either of them and without any really tough questioning it just seemed to be a 'Leaders' TV debate for the sake of having one.
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Post by mark687 on Nov 20, 2019 14:10:24 GMT
I didn't think much of the Leaders Debate last night. I doubt anyone in the UK would change their voting preference based on the rhetoric and cliches we heard from both party leaders. I thought they both came across poorly and it shows what bad options the UK voters have to choose between in December's election. I learnt nothing new about policies from either of them and without any really tough questioning it just seemed to be a 'Leaders' TV debate for the sake of having one. It just highlighted one of the central flaws again of Brexit. We the public don't know the outcome of the Gov Deal, nor do we know the main Opposition Counter Position, so how we can be confident in Voting either way?
And as much as all Party's deny it the Final Outcome will determine how the rest of their policies will be delivered so Manifestos are even less solid then usual.
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Post by doctorkernow on Nov 21, 2019 8:57:49 GMT
Hello again.
The whole thing has been a shambles right from Cameron's decision to hold a referendum. It was a clear political decision to shut down the eurosceptic wing of his party and in that regard has failed miserably. Due to the complex relationship between the member states of the EU, which Johnson and his cronies willfully failed to accept we are now left in a limbo, neither in or out. The result of the election will I suspect be a Tory minority government again. Nothing will change except perhaps that the opposition to Brexit will redouble their efforts to slow the process down so that a proper independent examination of the pros and cons can be made. At present, a person's position on Brexit is almost like a religious belief in some quarters. To express support for either position is to bring forth derogatory labels. It will be a miracle if anything good comes out of this morass, but I try and be positive.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Nov 21, 2019 9:25:54 GMT
Robert Peston's blog is always worth a read. He recently pointed out that Labour's free broadband policy involves creating a publicly owned national monopoly (the re-nationalised BT) which would be illegal under EU law. So this policy is incompatible with their supposedly pro-Remain / pro-soft brexit stance.
The Lib Dems seem to be getting a good press in some quarters as the most fiscally responsible of the 3 main parties - although not by much.
The other theme that I am seeing coming through - Martin Kettle in The Guardian, Beth Rigby on Sky - is that large scale tactical voting by pro-Remain, anti-Boris voters seems to be the only way to stop Boris winning a majority and stopping brexit. Will it happen on a large enough scale? Probably not, but one can live in hope.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Nov 21, 2019 11:25:02 GMT
Details of the charges against Alex Salmond made known today. Doesn't make for pleasant reading and one's sympathies must go out to the alleged victims. Regardless of his guilt or innocence, which won't be determined until the court case next year, I wonder what impact it will have on the election?
Even though Salmond is no longer involved in the SNP it will surely give rise to a lot of speculation about how much his SNP colleagues knew of, suspected or heard rumours about his alleged misconduct. Maybe this particular bomb will only detonate during the trial next year, but it surely must damage the SNP to some degree. Enough to help Boris retain a few Scottish seats?
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Post by mark687 on Nov 22, 2019 21:46:03 GMT
So my conclusions from the Leadership questions on BBC tonight
1. Give Scotland the Indy Vote and if they choose it, leave them to it, no UK Gov investment whatsoever likewise they keep what they've got
2. The Leaders are all zealots
4. We need to all graft, pay for the next Gen's education, and save, but not to much the Gov needs its cut, but remember to also put something by for the old and infirm time.
5. Free Trade is brilliant as long as the Gov get their cut
6, Now Remember Children whatever the Outcome its YOUR Choice (even if we think you'll choose wrong)
7. The Public Audience set the questions tonight (until the Presenter gets bored with them)
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Nov 23, 2019 14:08:48 GMT
Robert Peston's blog is always worth a read. He recently pointed out that Labour's free broadband policy involves creating a publicly owned national monopoly (the re-nationalised BT) which would be illegal under EU law. So this policy is incompatible with their supposedly pro-Remain / pro-soft brexit stance. If it's free then it isn't. Any more than you can claim the government has a monopoly on roads.I'd imagine a more NHS approach, where there's the free and then if you want you could get, for instance, Sky or Plusnet or whoever privately. Oh, don't get me wrong, I have NO idea how they'd implement this in actuality, but Peston's inital premise is simply wrong IF (oh such an IF) the service is free.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Nov 23, 2019 14:17:11 GMT
Details of the charges against Alex Salmond made known today. Doesn't make for pleasant reading and one's sympathies must go out to the alleged victims. Regardless of his guilt or innocence, which won't be determined until the court case next year, I wonder what impact it will have on the election? Even though Salmond is no longer involved in the SNP it will surely give rise to a lot of speculation about how much his SNP colleagues knew of, suspected or heard rumours about his alleged misconduct. Maybe this particular bomb will only detonate during the trial next year, but it surely must damage the SNP to some degree. Enough to help Boris retain a few Scottish seats? You'd think that but tribaliam will out in many cases. You live in NI, you know this to be true of both sides of the community.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 17:32:08 GMT
Robert Peston's blog is always worth a read. He recently pointed out that Labour's free broadband policy involves creating a publicly owned national monopoly (the re-nationalised BT) which would be illegal under EU law. So this policy is incompatible with their supposedly pro-Remain / pro-soft brexit stance. If it's free then it isn't. Any more than you can claim the government has a monopoly on roads.I'd imagine a more NHS approach, where there's the free and then if you want you could get, for instance, Sky or Plusnet or whoever privately. Oh, don't get me wrong, I have NO idea how they'd implement this in actuality, but Peston's inital premise is simply wrong IF (oh such an IF) the service is free. It seems to me a simple case of free at the point of access - providing you have telephone line rental. The Broadband additional cost, rather than being commercially funded, would be via a public purse subsidy. The commercial providers would therefore expect funding from the government for any technological infrastructure they implement or invest in. Without sufficient funds, the service would be less than that offered commercially by contract basis to those prepared to pay. The arguments against state control versus free enterprise thereby remain, as without a profit motive, innovation via competition is weakened. As those technologies are global, then a full commercial price will have to be paid by the taxpayer, for access to all, and not merely those prepared to pay. It would therefore seem to me a more costly proposition. That at least seems to me way things would play out. Perfectly practicable, but as you suggest, everything has to be accounted for with funds and innovators will either profit, or else cease to innovate.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Nov 25, 2019 10:07:24 GMT
Here's a thought.
Ironically for all the talk of this being the brexit election, neither of the 2 main party leaders care actually much about brexit one way or the other as a policy issue in its own right..
Corbyn is passionate about building his Socialist Utopia and righting what he sees as the wrongs of our current socio-economic model. Brexit seems like more of an annoyance to him than anything else, because other people care about it and to keep them happy he has to spend a lot of time on brexit when there are other things he would much rather be focussing on.
As for Boris, he used it as an issue to get himself into no 10, remember how in early 2016 he wrote 2 articles one for leave and one for remain, before deciding it would suit his career prospects better to back leave (on the assumption leave would lose but he would be well positioned to succeed Cameron in 2019 or 2020). And now, having backed the brexit horse, he has to stick with it but does anyone seriously believe that he actually shares the views of the ERG or the brexiteers? Wouldn't he have been just as happy if Remain had won in 2016?
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Nov 25, 2019 12:49:48 GMT
Here's a thought. Ironically for all the talk of this being the brexit election, neither of the 2 main party leaders care actually much about brexit one way or the other as a policy issue in its own right.. Corbyn is passionate about building his Socialist Utopia and righting what he sees as the wrongs of our current socio-economic model. Brexit seems like more of an annoyance to him than anything else, because other people care about it and to keep them happy he has to spend a lot of time on brexit when there are other things he would much rather be focussing on. As for Boris, he used it as an issue to get himself into no 10, remember how in early 2016 he wrote 2 articles one for leave and one for remain, before deciding it would suit his career prospects better to back leave (on the assumption leave would lose but he would be well positioned to succeed Cameron in 2019 or 2020). And now, having backed the brexit horse, he has to stick with it but does anyone seriously believe that he actually shares the views of the ERG or the brexiteers? Wouldn't he have been just as happy if Remain had won in 2016? You're absolutely right. Does anyone remember his tv presenter stint extolling the virtues of Turkey, and bigging up his connection to the country? No. Conveniently forgotten in the anti immigrant jingoism surrounding Brexit.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Nov 27, 2019 23:26:16 GMT
Latest Yougov poll, using a supposedly more accurate methodology and larger sample, predicts Tory majority of 68.
On the one hand I am not surprised Labour are doing so badly as Corbyn seems to go from one car crash to the next and their econonic policy has no credibilty whatsoever. I am however surprised the Lib Dems are not doing better, given the sheer repulsiveness of the 2 main parties.
Maybe all the young people registering to vote, plus the tactical voters will swing it against Boris. One can but hope ...
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Nov 28, 2019 12:03:00 GMT
IFS fairly demining on both Labour and Tories, though more so on Labour.
Lib Dems come out if it best. I think they are the conservative (small"c") option in this election
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 13:16:55 GMT
The Lib Dems, who promised to cancel Brexit, and were known as the 'remain' party ... have now changed their minds, says leading candidate.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Nov 29, 2019 13:57:10 GMT
The Lib Dems, who promised to cancel Brexit, and were known as the 'remain' party ... have now changed their minds, says leading candidate. Lol bit late now i think
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Nov 29, 2019 13:57:27 GMT
My postal vote came in and I've now voted
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Post by sherlock on Nov 29, 2019 14:14:37 GMT
Had two election communications from Tories asking for me to support them on my postal vote, which is odd as this is the first election in years that I actually haven’t applied for a postal vote.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Dec 6, 2019 9:04:40 GMT
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Dec 6, 2019 9:10:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 9:23:23 GMT
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