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Post by mark687 on Dec 12, 2019 21:48:13 GMT
Just got back from voting. Even if I don’t get my desired outcome, I’ve had my say, and I can’t do much more than that. My Sentiments exactly Regards mark687
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 22:03:25 GMT
Well that's it folks...😬
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Post by sherlock on Dec 12, 2019 22:08:58 GMT
Exit poll predicts the biggest Labour defeat since 1983.
Just...oh god...
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Post by lidar2 on Dec 12, 2019 22:15:48 GMT
Exit poll predicts the biggest Labour defeat since 1983. Just...oh god... Uk rip
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 22:28:01 GMT
Those 'autographed by Jezza' Blu-rays aren't going to worth so much in the morning...
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Post by doctorkernow on Dec 12, 2019 22:29:30 GMT
Hello again.
Oh dear. I hope the numbers are off, otherwise Mr Johnson will be able to do what he likes...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 22:40:39 GMT
Hello again. Oh dear. I hope the numbers are off, otherwise Mr Johnson will be able to do what he likes... Yep. This country is heading into a very dark & dangerous place.
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Post by project37 on Dec 12, 2019 23:52:18 GMT
So sorry, everyone. We seem poised to screw up our own major election next year in the US. Here's hoping we can find a way forward and the world will eventually come to its senses.
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Post by number13 on Dec 13, 2019 0:24:52 GMT
Beyond my wildest wildest expectations. Holy cow, CON GAIN Blyth Valley. Impossible - but it just happened!
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Dec 13, 2019 0:26:23 GMT
Although it is a good night for the Tories, it seems to be built on pretty shallow foundations. By the next election the 2 main factors in the Tory victory - brexit and Corbyn - will be old news and I don't really see the Tories keeping all their new Northern/Midlands voters at the next election without those 2 factors.
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Post by sherlock on Dec 13, 2019 5:32:39 GMT
Tory majority government then. All in all a damning indictment for Corbyn’s Labour, a complete wipeout of the party defectors and almost complete decapitation of Lib Dem leadership. SNP are the only opposition party able to claim any kind of victory today.
Withdrawal Bill will likely be before Parliament again in a matter of weeks and likely sail through. Brexit will be on 31 January. Who knows if Johnson will actually manage to negotiate a trade agreement after that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 6:10:00 GMT
JOB DONE !
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Post by doctorkernow on Dec 13, 2019 7:34:47 GMT
Hello again.
What has really struck me has been the lack of contrition from Mr Corbyn. He has not yet shown regret for the loss of fellow MPs or any responsibility for failing to provide an adequate opposition during his leadership.
As a total contrast, in Bolsover the winning Tory MP's first remarks on his interview were to pay tribute to Dennis Skinner, who is not well. There was no triumphalism, just an acknowledgement that he now had the privilege of representing his constituents.
I think that there have been some potentially good MPs on all sides elected. What we desperately need is those reasonable voices to hold Boris to account and the opposition to do their job properly.
I still despairing for the future of this country and where it will be in five years. There is much that could blow up in Boris's face. Brace yourselves, it could be a bumpy ride...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 8:28:45 GMT
Well that's confirmation, if we needed it, that so-called Great Britain is a rancid racist inward looking horrible country. I despair for the future.
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Post by lidar2 on Dec 13, 2019 9:08:09 GMT
What annoys me is the totally dishonest spin the parties put on the result:
Tories claim it is a mandate for brexit yet parties campaigning on a leave manifesto got 45.6% whereas parties that campaigned on opposition to Boris's deal got 54.4%
SNP claim a mandate for indeyref 2 yet they and Greens got 46.0% and unionist parties got 54.0%
The country, including a lot of Labour voters, decisively rejected the hard left Corbyn/Momentum agenda yet they are pretending the only reason they lost was because of brexit. To be fair, most Labour MPs are refuting that fantasy.
Personally I think Corbyn and Labour lost the election rather than Boris won it - and this as a freak result rather than the shape of things to come. In terms of the biblical parable Boris is the foolish man who built his house on the sand, the sand will only turn into rock for the Tories if Labour continue to pursue a hard left Corbynist agenda. Brexit aside, I can't really see the Tories delivering for their new voters and holding them in the long term.
As for NI, I personally am worried. When you look at how badly things have gone for the unionist community - a lot of it due to their own blunders - they are wounded and a wounded animal is the most dangerous. It is frequently overlooked that he troubles in 1969 started with loyalist violence not republican violence and, whilst I don't think the DUP will be organising or condoning violence, things that start out as peaceful protests have a way of degenerating and violence can quickly flare up.
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Post by doctorkernow on Dec 13, 2019 9:32:28 GMT
Hello again.
I am afraid parties will forever look for a positive spin on their results. What strikes me is the difference between the arrogance of Momentum leaders and the real humbleness of lots of the MPs interviewed on Radio 4 last night. A lot of these new MPs will I hope bring new voices into the Commons. There are Mps on all sides who's main aim is to serve their constituents and contribute to the national debates on a range of issues. I am fearful that Messrs Raab, Gove, Ress-Mogg and Francois are still there. However, there are voices such as Angela Rayner, Jess Phillips, , Johnny Mercer, Mark Fletcher and of course the SNP contingent who will challenge Mr Johnson.
It is interesting that Boris at present acknowledges that huge numbers of Labour voters have lent him their vote. If he fails to deliver, the consequences for him in 2024/25 will be brutal. Labour or a new centrist party need to get their act togther to provide by then a credible alternative. The opposition parties have failed so far, with the exception of the SNP. They cannot and must not fail again.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 10:16:21 GMT
Well I'm very happy with the result. A good day for Britain. Corbyn and his antisemitism, plus the flight of capital that would have resulted from his spending plans would have been terrible for the country. Did we really want that?
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Dec 13, 2019 10:23:40 GMT
Well I'm very happy with the result. A good day for Britain. Corbyn and his antisemitism, plus the flight of capital that would have resulted from his spending plans would have been terrible for the country. Did we really want that? Instead we'll have the longer term flight of capital that results from brexit. How is that any better?
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Post by lidar2 on Dec 13, 2019 10:28:21 GMT
Very interesting quote I saw (can't remember where, I have been looking at a lot of stuff)
We used to think Irish nationalism was the biggest threat to the UK. Then in the last few years we thought it was Scottish nationalism. But now we see that it is actually English nationalism.
Sad but true.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 10:48:06 GMT
Very interesting quote I saw (can't remember where, I have been looking at a lot of stuff) We used to think Irish nationalism was the biggest threat to the UK. Then in the last few years we thought it was Scottish nationalism. But now we see that it is actually English nationalism. Sad but true. I would posit that the vote to leave the EU was not a nationalist issue, but a rejection of increasing federalisation.
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