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Post by Tim Bradley on Sept 26, 2017 11:08:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 11:45:10 GMT
Excellent work as always.  Just over twenty stories, odd that it doesn't feel like it. Davros has had such a resonant impact on audio, it feels as though his presence was a great deal larger. Just a couple tweaks: The Juggernauts likely takes place before Emperor of the Daleks as the latter story leads directly into Remembrance of the Daleks. Similarly, Emperor begins with Davros on trial, about to be executed by the Dalek Emperor. I'm of the belief that The Davros Mission takes place over the course of several months and that the Daleks kept losing him in various escape attempts on his part. Given that the framing device of I, Davros likely takes place immediately after it, the order would probably look like... War of the Daleks and Terror Firma are both a bit chicken-and-egg, but it's gotten a bit easier with age. Joe Lidster's story about Davros getting revenge on the Doctor seems a lot more pressing than John Peel's story about Dalek politicking. I did a bit of digging just now and Davros is found in the wreckage of a Dalek killcruiser in War, but it's never specified if it's the same one from Remembrance. After the "Emperor" left to reclaim Skaro in Terror Firma, his ship might've encountered resistance and his brain chemistry reasserted as the Davros we all know and barely tolerate. There's also a short story written by Paul Cornell called *inhales deeply* An Incident Concerning the Continual Bombardment of the Phobos Colony, which likely takes place between Resurrection and Davros as the Dalek creator briefly reflects on whether or not his creations actually love him (which could be retroactively interpreted as a guarded reference to Shan). |
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Post by sherlock on Sept 26, 2017 12:33:59 GMT
Nice work. Though shouldn't Curse of Davros be closer to Remembrance, given it depicts him in command of Daleks who appear (on the cover at least) to be Imperial Daleks? Post-Revelation is a real mess of continuity. Personally I have it:
Revelation of the Daleks
The Juggernauts
The Davros Mission
I, Davros scenes
Emperor of the Daleks!
The Curse of Davros
Remembrance of the Daleks
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Post by sherlock on Sept 26, 2017 12:37:32 GMT
War of the Daleks and Terror Firma are both a bit chicken-and-egg, but it's gotten a bit easier with age. Joe Lidster's story about Davros getting revenge on the Doctor seems a lot more pressing than John Peel's story about Dalek politicking. I did a bit of digging just now and Davros is found in the wreckage of a Dalek killcruiser in War, but it's never specified if it's the same one from Remembrance. After the "Emperor" left to reclaim Skaro in Terror Firma, his ship might've encountered resistance and his brain chemistry reasserted as the Davros we all know and barely tolerate. How does Daleks Among Us fit in with Terror Firma and/or War? |
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Post by jerryrotta on Sept 26, 2017 17:29:20 GMT
About Juggernauts: It is the Doctor who says where in Daleks' timeline they are. I choose to think the Doctor simply got it wrong for some unexplained reason and the daleks don't bother to correct him. They actually go along with it. Placing the story after Davros Mission and I, Davros solves a lot of problems.
Revelation of the Daleks
The Davros Mission
I, Davros scenes
Emperor of the Daleks!
The Curse of Davros
The Juggernauts
Remembrance of the Daleks
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 1:01:46 GMT
Nice work. Though shouldn't Curse of Davros be closer to Remembrance, given it depicts him in command of Daleks who appear (on the cover at least) to be Imperial Daleks? Post-Revelation is a real mess of continuity. About Juggernauts: It is the Doctor who says where in Daleks' timeline they are. I choose to think the Doctor simply got it wrong for some unexplained reason and the daleks don't bother to correct him. They actually go along with it. Placing the story after Davros Mission and I, Davros solves a lot of problems. Yeah, now that it's mentioned, Curse does seem a bit closer to Remembrance, doesn't it? Must be occurring during his search for the Hand of Omega. Hmm... The thing that makes this whole period more complicated than not is that Davros suffers debilitating injuries that appear to completely destroy the rest of his body in both stories.  In The Juggernauts, Mel ends up destroying his life support chariot and triggering its self-destruct, while Emperor of the Daleks! has Daak slice straight through it with a chainsaw (as is his wont to do). The only thing that allows wiggle room between the two accounts in that regard is that Emperor shows Davros's transformation into the casing we'd see later/earlier in Remembrance, while Juggernauts is a great deal more vague about what exactly happened to him after the explosion. The Juggernauts features a Davros still hiding from the Dalek Empire, experimenting with potential replacements for his Daleks like the titular grotesques. Emperor of the Daleks, on the other hand, seems to occur later because it acts as a fulcrum point for the Dalek Civil War, where the balance of power shifts dramatically away from the Grey Daleks. For the purposes of continuity, it features the end of Davros's trial (where he's busted out during his execution by a pre- Mindwarp Sixie and Peri) and his destruction of the TV21 Dalek Emperor (alas mighty villain). More broadly though, the Imperial Daleks (bolstered by a garrison from Spiridon) drive out the now Renegade Daleks and are established as absolute rulers of Skaro, beginning their search for the Hand of Omega at the behest of Davros. The Dalek Supreme presumably fled the destruction of his Emperor, indirectly leading to Remembrance of the Daleks (with The Curse of Davros squeezed in between the two). (In hindsight, the reason why the Dalek Prime may feature later in War of the Daleks is because the Emperor gets blown up here.) And somehow, in amongst all that continuity, Emperor of the Daleks! still somehow manages to be a really good story. If nothing else, I think that's down to co-writer Paul Cornell. I am going to have a bit of a sit down now. @_@ War of the Daleks and Terror Firma are both a bit chicken-and-egg, but it's gotten a bit easier with age. Joe Lidster's story about Davros getting revenge on the Doctor seems a lot more pressing than John Peel's story about Dalek politicking. I did a bit of digging just now and Davros is found in the wreckage of a Dalek killcruiser in War, but it's never specified if it's the same one from Remembrance. After the "Emperor" left to reclaim Skaro in Terror Firma, his ship might've encountered resistance and his brain chemistry reasserted as the Davros we all know and barely tolerate. How does Daleks Among Us fit in with Terror Firma and/or War? Excellent question. ... I don't know, I haven't got it.  War ends with Davros purportedly scattered to the nine winds, but there's an implication that he's instead been transported away to parts unknown. Maybe Daleks Among Us fits at some point after that? |
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In The Juggernauts, Mel ends up destroying his life support chariot and triggering its self-destruct, while Emperor of the Daleks! has Daak slice straight through it with a chainsaw (as is his wont to do). The only thing that allows wiggle room between the two accounts in that regard is that Emperor shows Davros's transformation into the casing we'd see later/earlier in Remembrance, while Juggernauts is a great deal more vague about what exactly happened to him after the explosion.
War ends with Davros purportedly scattered to the nine winds, but there's an implication that he's instead been transported away to parts unknown. Maybe Daleks Among Us fits at some point after that?