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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2017 14:21:13 GMT
DW MR Castle of Fear is the BF Debut of which Alien Race The Rutans Bonus Whose was it meant to be? The Sontarans, the BBC asked for them to be dropped as The Sontaran Stratagem/ The Poison Sky TV eps were in production Regards mark687 Sorry Mark, but I beg to differ... the Bernice Summerfield story The Bellotron Incident featured the Rutans, so that would be their first Big Finish appearance.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Oct 10, 2017 15:07:06 GMT
Which 'Lost Story' was lost from TV because it was replaced by a story featuring the same monster but written by that monster's creator? {Spoiler} 'The First Sontarans' was replaced in the TV production schedule by 'The Two Doctors', written by Robert Holmes, creator of the Sontarans. Could this apply to more than one lost story?
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Post by mark687 on Oct 10, 2017 19:42:21 GMT
DW MR Castle of Fear is the BF Debut of which Alien Race The Rutans Bonus Whose was it meant to be? The Sontarans, the BBC asked for them to be dropped as The Sontaran Stratagem/ The Poison Sky TV eps were in production Regards mark687 Sorry Mark, but I beg to differ... the Bernice Summerfield story The Bellotron Incident featured the Rutans, so that would be their first Big Finish appearance. Stand corrected
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Post by number13 on Oct 10, 2017 20:02:11 GMT
Which 'Lost Story' was lost from TV because it was replaced by a story featuring the same monster but written by that monster's creator? {Spoiler} 'The First Sontarans' was replaced in the TV production schedule by 'The Two Doctors', written by Robert Holmes, creator of the Sontarans. Could this apply to more than one lost story? Thinking about it -Yes! I hadn't considered a case where the creator of a monster replaced one of their own stories with a different one (as Brian Hayles did with the Ice Warriors: 'Lords of the Red Planet' replaced by 'The Seeds of Death'.) I will add an 'instead of the original author' to remove the ambiguity, cheers.
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Post by number13 on Oct 10, 2017 20:12:06 GMT
In which MR trilogy are the Doctor and one other person the only living people? {Spoiler}The Sixie/Jamie Trilogy 'City of Spires', 'The Wreck of the Titan', 'Legend of the Cybermen' : all the other characters are fictional and the Cybermen are no longer people!
Bonus question: Who is the other person? {Spoiler}Zoe. {MEGASpoiler}Jamie is fictional!
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Post by mark687 on Oct 10, 2017 20:33:12 GMT
The Genocide Machine mentions 2 real British Newspapers which The Sun and The Mirror Regards mark687
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Oct 10, 2017 22:47:52 GMT
Could this apply to more than one lost story? Thinking about it -Yes! I hadn't considered a case where the creator of a monster replaced one of their own stories with a different one (as Brian Hayles did with the Ice Warriors: 'Lords of the Red Planet' replaced by 'The Seeds of Death'.) I will add an 'instead of the original author' to remove the ambiguity, cheers. Also possibly Mission to Magnus / Mindwarp?
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Post by number13 on Oct 10, 2017 23:22:28 GMT
Thinking about it -Yes! I hadn't considered a case where the creator of a monster replaced one of their own stories with a different one (as Brian Hayles did with the Ice Warriors: 'Lords of the Red Planet' replaced by 'The Seeds of Death'.) I will add an 'instead of the original author' to remove the ambiguity, cheers. Also possibly Mission to Magnus / Mindwarp? Same author/creator and monster certainly - although the first story was written as part of a completely scrapped season and the second in a newly planned season after a year's hiatus. Maybe a bit too tenous to call it a replacement?
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Post by elkawho on Oct 11, 2017 10:51:18 GMT
Here are some I've come up with as well. I'm working on more. In what story is the first appearance by the Master in BF? {Spoiler} Dust Breeding The actor Stephen Chance plays a recurring BF DW villain. Who is the villain? {Spoiler} Nimrod -How many MR stories is he in? {Spoiler} 3
-What are they? {Spoiler} Project: Twilight, Project: Lazarus, Project: Destiny Name 3 actors with significant parts in the modern Who who appeared in BF prior to their TV appearances. {Spoiler} David Tennant, Matt Lucas, Michelle Gomez I'm concerned that there may be more than 3, but I'm sure you will all let me know if there are. The format is BF Doctor Who only. No spin-offs. Which is a shame since I was thinking about a bunch of Benny questions.
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Post by number13 on Oct 11, 2017 11:05:23 GMT
The format is BF Doctor Who only. No spin-offs. Which is a shame since I was thinking about a bunch of Benny questions. Darn! There go a couple of J&L questions I was thinking of! OK... Who is the connection between EA 'The Black Hole', 4DA 'The Dalek Contract' and LS 'The Children of Seth'? {Spoiler} David Warner. (In 'The Black Hole' he is the narrator.)
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Post by jasonward on Oct 11, 2017 11:09:21 GMT
Name 3 actors with significant parts in the modern Who who appeared in BF prior to their TV appearances. {Spoiler} David Tennant, Matt Lucas, Michelle Gomez I'm concerned that there may be more than 3, but I'm sure you will all let me know if there are. The format is BF Doctor Who only. No spin-offs. Which is a shame since I was thinking about a bunch of Benny questions. It's also subjective, best to stay away from subjective questions in quizzes less people disagree with you.
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Post by number13 on Oct 11, 2017 11:19:09 GMT
Who is the connection between 4DA 'The Wrath of the Iceni', 4DA 'Return of the Rocket Men' and MR 'Shield of the Jotunn'? {Spoiler} Louise Jameson: Two 'Leela' stories (both by John Dorney but here that was a false connection trail!) and the third story which she directed and made a cameo appearance in.
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Post by jasonward on Oct 11, 2017 13:42:06 GMT
In which MR trilogy are the Doctor and one other person the only living people? {Spoiler}The Sixie/Jamie Trilogy 'City of Spires', 'The Wreck of the Titan', 'Legend of the Cybermen' : all the other characters are fictional and the Cybermen are no longer people!
I'd be wary of this question. The original, indeed central theme of Cybermen is that they are human, they are people, they have just been so augmented that they appear inhuman. The terror of the Cybermen is that that one over there could be your mother, you dad, your sister or brother, and if the augments would let them, they would remember and know and feel, and perhaps most terrifying of all, sometimes their augments don't prevent them and they are sad beyond all imagining (hence the symbolic tear shape duct in their eyes).
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Post by number13 on Oct 11, 2017 14:55:17 GMT
In which MR trilogy are the Doctor and one other person the only living people? {Spoiler}The Sixie/Jamie Trilogy 'City of Spires', 'The Wreck of the Titan', 'Legend of the Cybermen' : all the other characters are fictional and the Cybermen are no longer people!
I'd be wary of this question. The original, indeed central theme of Cybermen is that they are human, they are people, they have just been so augmented that they appear inhuman. The terror of the Cybermen is that that one over there could be your mother, you dad, your sister or brother, and if the augments would let them, they would remember and know and feel, and perhaps most terrifying of all, sometimes their augments don't prevent them and they are sad beyond all imagining (hence the symbolic tear shape duct in their eyes). I am firmly 'old school' on this - Doctor Who has many and varied peoples (humans, Time Lords, Silurians, Draconians, Ogrons, Pels, Exxilons, etc.) who can coexist, sometimes happily, sometimes with difficulty (Ice Warriors too, later on) - and monsters like the Daleks, Axons, Krynoids and Cybermen who wish to either destroy or enslave all other life. Classic series Cybermen don't simply appear inhuman, they have become inhuman monsters on the wrong side of a one-way conversion process; monsters who just happen to be made by killing people and stealing their bodies to use as raw materials. All that is left is the Cyberman, a person has been murdered to make it and they no longer exist. Pass me the glittergun and the gold dust. (The 'tear duct' was a short-lived feature in the classic series I think, only present late in the Troughton era - 'The Wheel in Space' and 'The Invasion' - and in 'Revenge'?) The new series has rewritten this by saying that the original person still exists within, fighting against the conversion process. That may make them more interesting and emotionally complex to respond to and the scenes with Bill in 'World Enough and Time' / 'The Doctor Falls' were riveting, but there was no hint of that in 'The Moonbase' or 'Earthshock'.
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Post by jasonward on Oct 11, 2017 15:56:15 GMT
I'd be wary of this question. The original, indeed central theme of Cybermen is that they are human, they are people, they have just been so augmented that they appear inhuman. The terror of the Cybermen is that that one over there could be your mother, you dad, your sister or brother, and if the augments would let them, they would remember and know and feel, and perhaps most terrifying of all, sometimes their augments don't prevent them and they are sad beyond all imagining (hence the symbolic tear shape duct in their eyes). I am firmly 'old school' on this - Doctor Who has many and varied peoples (humans, Time Lords, Silurians, Draconians, Ogrons, Pels, Exxilons, etc.) who can coexist, sometimes happily, sometimes with difficulty (Ice Warriors too, later on) - and monsters like the Daleks, Axons, Krynoids and Cybermen who wish to either destroy or enslave all other life. Classic series Cybermen don't simply appear inhuman, they have become inhuman monsters on the wrong side of a one-way conversion process; monsters who just happen to be made by killing people and stealing their bodies to use as raw materials. All that is left is the Cyberman, a person has been murdered to make it and they no longer exist. Pass me the glittergun and the gold dust. (The 'tear duct' was a short-lived feature in the classic series I think, only present late in the Troughton era - 'The Wheel in Space' and 'The Invasion' - and in 'Revenge'?) The new series has rewritten this by saying that the original person still exists within, fighting against the conversion process. That may make them more interesting and emotionally complex to respond to and the scenes with Bill in 'World Enough and Time' / 'The Doctor Falls' were riveting, but there was no hint of that in 'The Moonbase' or 'Earthshock'. I don't think you go old school enough. Have you listened to Spare Parts? Cybermen were always the end product of human augmentation, the "monster" was envisioned at a time when implants, replacement hearts etc were just emerging into main stream medical world, Cybermen represented a real world fear of where that could ultimately lead.
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Post by number13 on Oct 11, 2017 16:07:05 GMT
I am firmly 'old school' on this - Doctor Who has many and varied peoples (humans, Time Lords, Silurians, Draconians, Ogrons, Pels, Exxilons, etc.) who can coexist, sometimes happily, sometimes with difficulty (Ice Warriors too, later on) - and monsters like the Daleks, Axons, Krynoids and Cybermen who wish to either destroy or enslave all other life. Classic series Cybermen don't simply appear inhuman, they have become inhuman monsters on the wrong side of a one-way conversion process; monsters who just happen to be made by killing people and stealing their bodies to use as raw materials. All that is left is the Cyberman, a person has been murdered to make it and they no longer exist. Pass me the glittergun and the gold dust. (The 'tear duct' was a short-lived feature in the classic series I think, only present late in the Troughton era - 'The Wheel in Space' and 'The Invasion' - and in 'Revenge'?) The new series has rewritten this by saying that the original person still exists within, fighting against the conversion process. That may make them more interesting and emotionally complex to respond to and the scenes with Bill in 'World Enough and Time' / 'The Doctor Falls' were riveting, but there was no hint of that in 'The Moonbase' or 'Earthshock'. I don't think you go old school enough. Have you listened to Spare Parts? Cybermen were always the end product of human augmentation, the "monster" was envisioned at a time when implants, replacement hearts etc were just emerging into main stream medical world, Cybermen represented a real world fear of where that could ultimately lead. Yes, that's true, they were created in 'The Tenth Planet' out of the wish to include more future-science in 'Doctor Who'. But although that's their creation story, isn't the end point that the creators were overtaken by their own technology and, having been Dr. Frankenstein, became the monster? I don't remember any idea that the process could be reversed or that any classic-era Cyberman had ever wished to reverse it? Such a wish - any 'wish' - would be emotional and those classic Cybermen never had emotions or doubts, they had been too efficient at their beginning; the people of Mondas and Telos were gone and only the Cybermen remained.
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