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Post by charlesuirdhein on Oct 19, 2017 21:07:07 GMT
Right, I know only Jon Pertwee and Tom Baker did more than three seasons, however, THOSE seasons were classic era, 25 minute long and Who remained a presence on TV for a lot longer. So, it might not be Jodie but I'd love at least ONE future Doctor to stay four seasons, not three and a half like Tennant but actually four, and not four years in harness with a production gap, four actual seasons. Five would be better. I don't see any replicating Tom Baker's tenure though.
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Post by jasonward on Oct 19, 2017 21:33:48 GMT
Yep, longer presence please.
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Post by barnabaslives on Oct 20, 2017 1:03:11 GMT
I do think it must have made it more difficult for me to accept the next Doctor at first (no matter who'd been cast), as the news came just when I had started to really, really hope for another season with Twelve, Bill and Nardole on account of just how much I liked the past season.
I'm off the topic already but at least back in the day, it helped me a lot with regenerations to have companions held over - I was so stuck on the idea of Tom Baker as The Doctor after watching from his second episode to his last, that it probably would have been a lot harder for me to accept Peter Davison had I not been outvoted by Tegan, Nyssa, and Adric that he was indeed The Doctor. Likewise, by the end of Peter's tenure, I was really stuck on the idea of him being The Doctor, and it was very reassuring for me that Peri accepted Six as The Doctor and very encouraging for me to do likewise. The same has most like happened with the New Series before as well, come to think of it.
No reason the next season can't start with a clean slate, but you can probably see why I really wish Bill and Nardole would stay on for at least a couple more episodes, besides just me really liking the both of them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 8:30:56 GMT
I dunno....I think Tennant (though not my favourite Doctor) managed to do an awful lot in his 3 full seasons and truly captured the Zeitgeist - he's certainly the Tom Baker of New Who in terms of wider audience appreciation. Matt, though, was a victim of those awful half seasons and felt like he had his momentum taken away from him after Series 5 so I think it's scheduling as much as anything. Both had 3 years but David's felt better rounded and "finished". 3 years was plenty for David to become THE Doctor for a generation so I don't accept the premise of the thread. 3 seasons is plenty....if there's a solid 3 year story. I'd also argue Eccleston accomplished a hell of a lot in his one outing. It's also not massively realistic to expect working actors to take on the rather gruelling schedule that being The Doctor involves for too long. Once their profile increases - as it does when they get established - they can all of a sudden make a lot more money doing a lot less work, usually in film or American TV. Matt had to be convinced to stay for the last year, including the specials, as his head was already turned by the US. Capaldi too has spoken of both loving the part but lamenting the fact there's just no time to do anything else, part of the reason he wanted to go was because he's turned down so many projects he would loved to have taken. The Who actors make good money by our standards but by US standards the Who gig is pocket money. Capaldi per year earned what one cast member of The Big Bang Theory earns per ep. And there's what? Six cast members on that. I think we'd all have our heads turned by that kind of earning potential. Comparing it to Jon and Tom doesn't hold up as Who didn't make you a global star in the 70s. No-one from US telly was battering on their doors trying to lure them away. They could afford to stay on Who as the potential elsewhere wasn't as lucrative. Subjectively, Capaldi is my favourite Doctor. I adore the man and have done for decades and was mooting him as The Doctor since New Who came back. I'd love him to do 4 series, 5 series...10 series. But.....the show needs to keep moving on. The show needs that fresh start every few years and I think a new showrunner earns the right to cast a new Doctor. We can talk about Tom's tenure, but let's not forget in Tom's last year ratings were WAY down. People were ready for him to go. When Davison came on board, the ratings went up by millions. That's stone cold fact - the change worked in terms of getting people watching. So even Tom Baker - THE classic Doctor - was a victim of stagnation and public disinterest. That's something that often gets ignored. His era - and I love Series 18 personally - died with a whimper. Stayed too long. I don't hold that 3 is the perfect number - the so called Troughon rule - but 3 and some specials looks to be the most we can expect now. We've heard Chibnall has a 5 year plan....let's see if Jodie is in all five years of it!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 8:34:59 GMT
No reason the next season can't start with a clean slate, but you can probably see why I really wish Bill and Nardole would stay on for at least a couple more episodes, besides just me really liking the both of them. I understand the sentiment but I'll never forget April 2010. The Eleventh Hour. Matt, Karen and Arthur just exploded on to Doctor Who and it felt so impossibly fresh and invigorated. Tennant's era had ended only four months earlier but somehow felt years old already. That kind of change - top to bottom - is so exciting and has so much potential. If Chibnall can manage that - a continuation that still feels like a totally new show - bring on Autumn 2018.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Oct 20, 2017 11:36:16 GMT
Its a shame because I think Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy would have had more than three had events not conspired against them
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 13:42:02 GMT
Its a shame because I think Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy would have had more than three had events not conspired against them Sylv's always said he would only have done one more though Colin did speak of wanting to break Tom's record as long as he was enjoying it. Ofcoure, if Colin did stay, we may never have gotten Sylv at all so there's something of a paradox in wanting both to have done more.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Oct 20, 2017 15:51:58 GMT
Its a shame because I think Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy would have had more than three had events not conspired against them Sylv's always said he would only have done one more though Colin did speak of wanting to break Tom's record as long as he was enjoying it. Ofcoure, if Colin did stay, we may never have gotten Sylv at all so there's something of a paradox in wanting both to have done more. Yeah thats true. I remember reading that. I reckon we could have got one or two more seasons out of Colin in that 18 months and his final Trail season would have been completely different
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Post by aztec on Oct 20, 2017 16:21:45 GMT
Right, I know only Jon Pertwee and Tom Baker did more than three seasons, however, THOSE seasons were classic era, 25 minute long and Who remained a presence on TV for a lot longer. So, it might not be Jodie but I'd love at least ONE future Doctor to stay four seasons, not three and a half like Tennant but actually four, and not four years in harness with a production gap, four actual seasons. Five would be better. I don't see any replicating Tom Baker's tenure though. New Who takes 9-10 months of solid filming to film an episode, Classic Who took what, a week to record an episode (some of which was rehearsal) and was only in production for part of the year, it's not really fair to compare the schedules from two very different eras of TV production, I think it's just unrealistic now to expect a working actor to commit to the punishing schedules and exposure of Who for longer than three or four years, when they have families and future jobs to think about, also I'd rather be left wanting more from a Doctor, rather than getting burnt out by them overstaying their welcome, there was generally only 4-6 serials per season in the Classic series, compared to around 10 per series in New Who, the 4th Doctor had 41 stories (and 172 episodes) in 7 years, the 10th had 36 stories in just 4.5 years. 3 series is in practice a good number as it gives the actors a beginning, middle and end season and a reasonable length of time to experiment and develop the role, but I'd argue it's less about the length of a Doctors tenure but more about how it is structured and developed for the Doctor in question-Eccleston's 1 series has a very clear and tightly plotted character arc, I've grew very attached to his Doctor (and would have loved to have seen him do another couple of series) but I'm inclined to think the 9th Doctor left at the perfect time, Tennant had a different companion for each series and several specials so felt nice and rounded (truth be told I had grown a tad bored of the 10th Doctor by the end- he is one of the more static incarnations and didn't really change from first episode to last) whereas Smith/Capaldi (despite similar numbers of episodes) with the gaps in their schedules and companions who stuck round for 2 series felt like they left much earlier than they could have and still had more to give (not coincidence Moffat left massive gaps for BF to explore...).
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Oct 20, 2017 17:18:07 GMT
Some interesting responses And I do agree with much of what is said that counters my opening proposition curiously enough. But four seasons. How hard would that be? Only four, tightly plotted and hitting the screens on time. It is doable. And while it hasn't been actually planned that way (and I'd have loved for 9 to have done one Xmas episode) it'd be nice to get away from the "holiday regeneration". It's Christmas/New Year, time for a special and a new Doctor. Cash is the big thing all told. I wouldn't blame any actor for vanishing off to earn more for an episode of something than an entire season of Who. That said, I still want one of them to do four actual seasons, even with the proposed 10 one hour episodes that is still a lot of material. As 8 said once, he was going through incarnations like something on a particularly dangerous bicycle. The half seasons just don't work. And having a gap while people do something else doesn't work either.
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Post by 8doctormcgann on Oct 20, 2017 19:21:04 GMT
I think Jon Pertwee's staying time would be ideal, 5 series seems to be a good amount. But I can't see Jodie doing that many, 4 at the very limit is what I would expect.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 19:37:10 GMT
I'm reminded of Roger Ebert's great quote that no great movie is long enough and no truly bad movie short enough. Wouldn't we all be happier if "our" Doctor stayed longer but, likewise, be happier to see ones we're not so keen leave sooner? I mean, when Tennant was giving it the Long Goodbye I was SO ready for him to go. Uber-excited for Matt. Yet I'm not so ready for Peter to leave even though both have done their 3 full series.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Oct 20, 2017 22:01:23 GMT
I'm reminded of Roger Ebert's great quote that no great movie is long enough and no truly bad movie short enough. Wouldn't we all be happier if "our" Doctor stayed longer but, likewise, be happier to see ones we're not so keen leave sooner? I mean, when Tennant was giving it the Long Goodbye I was SO ready for him to go. Uber-excited for Matt. Yet I'm not so ready for Peter to leave even though both have done their 3 full series. Agreed. A very smart writer I knew always said the great stories are just the right length. I too was very ready for Tennant to go. I had a really bad taste in my mouth over Donna's fate and it got so 10 was just so mopey that his "I don't want to go yet" struck me exactly the opposite way it was intended to. And The 11th Hour was sit-up-in-your-chair good. Fresh in a way that was hard to describe. And yes, all things being equal, I would have loved at least one more series with 12, Bill & Nardole. Still, as I always note, Doctor Who is built around change and renewal, so bring on Jodie and Doctor 13.
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Post by constonks on Oct 21, 2017 4:18:33 GMT
Capaldi is the only Doctor I have followed from beginning to end, having hoped on board between seasons 6 & 7 so my opinion probably comes from that but that being said:
I hate that 2016 had no season with him and it was not at all worth putting Doctor Who back on in spring as it's just going to return to autumn next year.
I feel like we could have gotten four years out of Tennant, Smith and Capaldi if their gap years had been filled with full seasons. I doubt they would have overstayed their welcome.
Any more might be pushing it; five seasons sounds like a bit much. Jon Pertwee pulled off his run quite well, but the exile era is a whole different kettle of fish compared to regular Doctor Who. And Tom is a special case as well - he was iconic - and even he probably stayed at least a season too many.
All in all, I expect Chris's five year plan involves at least one more Doctor than Jodie - but we'll see, won't we?!
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Post by jasonward on Oct 21, 2017 9:40:59 GMT
I think most people here are talking about different things to me when to comes this subject.
My desire is not based on any rational, it isn't thought through or justified, it's just a want and a desire.
As for 10 and his "I don't want to go", yep wound me up the wrong way too, took too long and I was oh so glad to see the back of him when he eventually went. However, it was only the foreshadowing of his leaving and the sentimental garbage that went with it that made me want him to go, if he'd been doing his normal thing up to that point I would have wanted more of him.
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Post by constonks on Oct 21, 2017 15:49:58 GMT
I think most people here are talking about different things to me when to comes this subject. My desire is not based on any rational, it isn't thought through or justified, it's just a want and a desire. As for 10 and his "I don't want to go", yep wound me up the wrong way too, took too long and I was oh so glad to see the back of him when he eventually went. However, it was only the foreshadowing of his leaving and the sentimental garbage that went with it that made me want him to go, if he'd been doing his normal thing up to that point I would have wanted more of him. I feel like if we'd had a normal season with a new companion (or another year of Catherine Tate if we were very very lucky), no-one would have thought Tennant overstayed. The specials just feel a bit meandering - a story with just the Doctor is alright occassionally but he should have regular companions for a sense of continuity and ongoing narrative.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Oct 21, 2017 18:20:26 GMT
I think most people here are talking about different things to me when to comes this subject. My desire is not based on any rational, it isn't thought through or justified, it's just a want and a desire. As for 10 and his "I don't want to go", yep wound me up the wrong way too, took too long and I was oh so glad to see the back of him when he eventually went. However, it was only the foreshadowing of his leaving and the sentimental garbage that went with it that made me want him to go, if he'd been doing his normal thing up to that point I would have wanted more of him. I feel like if we'd had a normal season with a new companion (or another year of Catherine Tate if we were very very lucky), no-one would have thought Tennant overstayed. The specials just feel a bit meandering - a story with just the Doctor is alright occassionally but he should have regular companions for a sense of continuity and ongoing narrative. I've discussed with another member in depth our thoughts on the Tennant specials, and I'd have paid to have had Waters of Mars expanded to a two-parter and The End of Time reduced to a one parter. Seriously. Waters has enough (ha!) depth to fill out another episode and really bring the Timelord Triumphant to the boil rather than it being rushed like it was, and End of Time was full of crap...the Master Race, literal hand waving from Rassilon...blah, etc.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Oct 21, 2017 20:46:51 GMT
I'd like to see Jodie Whittaker as the Doctor for eight series. Let's see Tom Baker's record be broken.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 22:31:42 GMT
I'd like to see Jodie Whittaker as the Doctor for eight series. Let's see Tom Baker's record be broken. Never going to happen... can't see any actor playing The Doctor for that length of time again.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Oct 21, 2017 22:39:46 GMT
I'd like to see Jodie Whittaker as the Doctor for eight series. Let's see Tom Baker's record be broken. Never going to happen... can't see any actor playing The Doctor for that length of time again. Never say never.
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