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Post by dannybl on Nov 25, 2017 15:53:57 GMT
The idea of a Blake's 7/Doctor Who crossover has been debated forever, instead of this should there be a strictly-Terry Nation story, pitting the crew of the Liberator against the Daleks?
This was briefly discussed for TV but of course it never came to fruition.
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Post by smith11 on Nov 25, 2017 17:26:15 GMT
I love both series but this just seems wrong for me
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Nov 25, 2017 18:04:47 GMT
No. The entire series is built on human dystopia/false utopia of the Federation. Having the Daleks appear kills that. Completely wrong.
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Post by jasonward on Nov 25, 2017 18:06:37 GMT
Should? No.
Could? Yeah, my first reaction was "No", but then I thought about possible scenarios and I can see it working, BUT I'd rather The Federation encounter the Daleks first, The Liberator crew already have the big bad enemy, its their reason d'etre.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Nov 25, 2017 18:48:40 GMT
In regular continuity, no. The two worlds are too different. In a Unbound or What If kind of range existed, sure why not.
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Post by Zagreus on Nov 25, 2017 20:11:35 GMT
I mean, that was the original intent, yeah? And in A Rebellion Reborn, they indicate that The System were invading to use Humanity as shock troops against an even greater enemy. And Corpse Marker/Kaldor City links the two franchises together already, and Robophobia leads to The Traitor, which features The Daleks. So... yeah, go whole hog!
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Post by shutupbanks on Nov 25, 2017 21:26:14 GMT
When I first heard about Terrry Nation's plan for the Daleks to be behind the attack on Star One I thought it was a great idea. But, twenty-something years later, it just makes everything a bit too cosy and twee to have the universes overlap like that: I'd rather have the rebellion on their own rather than working in the shadow of the Doctor.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Nov 26, 2017 11:06:29 GMT
in A Rebellion Reborn, they indicate that The System were invading to use Humanity as shock troops against an even greater enemy. One of the major complaints people have nowadays is that the Daleks aren't sneaky and manipulative. But they could very easily themselves use some other aliens as a front for attacking the Federation, couldn't they?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2017 11:00:18 GMT
in A Rebellion Reborn, they indicate that The System were invading to use Humanity as shock troops against an even greater enemy. One of the major complaints people have nowadays is that the Daleks aren't sneaky and manipulative. But they could very easily themselves use some other aliens as a front for attacking the Federation, couldn't they? Certainly fits the Dalek M.O. to wage proxy wars where possible. Both Who and Blake's 7 already exist in the same continuity by way of things like Corpse Marker, Kaldor City and the like -- I want to create a map of all the intertextual references that pop up eventually -- but I think if there were such a story to be done... Maybe have it in that latter half, after Series B, with the Federation blunted by the Liberator crew's actions. I can see them popping up as a frontier menace that everyone's forgotten about, seizing the potential weakness of their power base to slip through. Not in the midst of that first half with Blake at the helm though, I think that'd be a bit jarring.
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Post by Zagreus on Nov 27, 2017 19:42:03 GMT
One of the major complaints people have nowadays is that the Daleks aren't sneaky and manipulative. But they could very easily themselves use some other aliens as a front for attacking the Federation, couldn't they? Certainly fits the Dalek M.O. to wage proxy wars where possible. Both Who and Blake's 7 already exist in the same continuity by way of things like Corpse Marker, Kaldor City and the like -- I want to create a map of all the intertextual references that pop up eventually -- but I think if there were such a story to be done... Maybe have it in that latter half, after Series B, with the Federation blunted by the Liberator crew's actions. I can see them popping up as a frontier menace that everyone's forgotten about, seizing the potential weakness of their power base to slip through. Not in the midst of that first half with Blake at the helm though, I think that'd be a bit jarring. So we have Robots of Death, Blake's 7, Corpse Marker, the Kaldor City audios/stories, Robophobia, The Traitor... anything else contemporary to that timeframe? Oh, actually, I think Eyes of Darkness might be, now that I think about it. The Robots of Sherwood are apparently from that time frame but got, like, time warped.
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Post by coffeeaddict on Nov 27, 2017 22:25:58 GMT
No. Keep them as far apart as possible.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2017 23:10:07 GMT
Daleks in Blake's 7? Sure, why not? It is what Terry Nation had planned for the end of Season B anyway, and Chris Boucher wrote an official BBC Doctor Who novel (Corpse Marker) that features a character from a Blake's 7 episode. So Doctor Who and Blake's 7 do share the same universe, which means in theory it could happen... although I don't see Big Finish going down that road myself.
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Post by jasonward on Nov 28, 2017 1:52:51 GMT
When I first heard about Terrry Nation's plan for the Daleks to be behind the attack on Star One I thought it was a great idea. But, twenty-something years later, it just makes everything a bit too cosy and twee to have the universes overlap like that: I'd rather have the rebellion on their own rather than working in the shadow of the Doctor. I've always felt that Doctor Who and Blakes 7 were part of the same continuity, but even so, I don't think there is any reason to think that anything will be happening in the shadow of The Doctor. Lets imagine The Doctor lives to the age of 50,000 (which even for Timelords seems extreme, but for the sake or argument) then imagine all the places in the universe The Doctor could be during those 18 and bit million days of his life. Now divide all those places by the age of the universe, and suddenly it become clear that there just have to be places and times, entire galaxies and epochs that The Doctor has just never been to. Further it could well be that The Doctor has never visited earth or it's empire during the Blake 7 era, just because in part he has no interest in what humanity was up to at that time and perhaps in part because there's a bunch of fixed moments in time, that he knows he'd want to interfere with, but also knows he can't. I personally don't think I want The Doctor and Blake (or his 7) team up, and I also don't want Blakes 7 to get caught up fighting Who monsters, Blakes 7 focus is The Federation, but I can see plenty of room for where the Federation attempt to exploit an alien race familiar from Who, or have perhaps come to some arrangement with Cybermen, shipping humans to them in exchange for not being attacked etc
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Post by cr1980 on Nov 28, 2017 4:14:10 GMT
I'd be strongly against any links between the Who and Blake universes (and I quietly ignore the handful of links that are out there in various media). I think it's part of the feel of Blake's 7 is that the Federation and a smattering of independent worlds are essentially the whole universe, having a whole menagerie of Whovian civilisations active out there as well gives a completely different balance of power.
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Post by barnabaslives on Nov 28, 2017 4:34:00 GMT
I personally don't think I want The Doctor and Blake (or his 7) team up, and I also don't want Blakes 7 to get caught up fighting Who monsters, Blakes 7 focus is The Federation, but I can see plenty of room for where the Federation attempt to exploit an alien race familiar from Who, or have perhaps come to some arrangement with Cybermen, shipping humans to them in exchange for not being attacked etc I'm not sure I have much preference either way - more crossing over than we've already had certainly isn't a necessity, but I really don't think I'd mind if it did happen, and I could certainly see a crumbling Federation trying to prop itself up by forming desperate alliances like that (although any Who monsters in Blake's 7 might have to get put down pretty hard to help explain why they aren't a bigger part of the series?)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 1:33:11 GMT
Certainly fits the Dalek M.O. to wage proxy wars where possible. Both Who and Blake's 7 already exist in the same continuity by way of things like Corpse Marker, Kaldor City and the like -- I want to create a map of all the intertextual references that pop up eventually -- but I think if there were such a story to be done... Maybe have it in that latter half, after Series B, with the Federation blunted by the Liberator crew's actions. I can see them popping up as a frontier menace that everyone's forgotten about, seizing the potential weakness of their power base to slip through. Not in the midst of that first half with Blake at the helm though, I think that'd be a bit jarring. So we have Robots of Death, Blake's 7, Corpse Marker, the Kaldor City audios/stories, Robophobia, The Traitor... anything else contemporary to that timeframe? Oh, actually, I think Eyes of Darkness might be, now that I think about it. The Robots of Sherwood are apparently from that time frame but got, like, time warped. Hmm... From the dates given in Corpse Marker, the events of Robots of Death were intended to have occurred in 2877... I think pretty much anything you can find from the latter half of the 29th century would likely fit into that timeframe. A backup comic called Crisis on Kaldor also features Voc Robots. The Sensorites comes pretty close, but there's a full century between that story and The Way Back. You could make the argument that the Earth Empire of the 26th century shares some of its DNA with the Federation, while not being the actual Federation itself. Gareth Thomas and Tom Baker thought it would be fun for the two characters to pass one another in a corridor, which I could definitely see happening in Season 18 in a sort of "blink and you'll miss it" LucasArts moment. This seems to happen all the time in Doctor Who, it's kinda awesome. The Doctor reads a book by Oolon Colluphid of Hitchhiker's Guide fame in Destiny of the Daleks, the Sixth Doctor dismisses Foundation's Trantor as "too cosmopolitan" in Profits of Doom, the Eighth Doctor mentions having visited Discworld in Fire and Brimstone, a Professor "-atermass" appears in The Dying Days, the Technomages of Babylon 5 are mentioned in The Crystal Bucephalus, etc. It's a big ol' universe, the Doctor has a habit of bumping into characters who look to varying degrees like someone we'd know from another story, like a character who seems to bear a resemblance to No. 6 (and Patrick McGoohan in general) in The Man in the Velvet Mask.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 18:04:45 GMT
Never been a fan of crossovers.I just prefer my Blake Universe,My Who Universes,my Sherlock universe,my Trek universe...once they stray into crossovers i lose interest in them just as in the Stephen King appearance in Dark Tower Novels it totally ruined the fictional world for me.`But everyone is different.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 22:08:53 GMT
It's all down to opinion isn't it? Mine is 'yes'. I just think it's a shame Tom Baker never got his wish and had a brief 'hello' between The Doctor and Blake in a scene.
Failing that, if a box set, or double-discer, was released, featuring the Blake crew going head-to-head with a bunch of Daleks ... could you really resist?
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jul 23, 2018 22:39:09 GMT
It's all down to opinion isn't it? Mine is 'yes'. I just think it's a shame Tom Baker never got his wish and had a brief 'hello' between The Doctor and Blake in a scene. Failing that, if a box set, or double-discer, was released, featuring the Blake crew going head-to-head with a bunch of Daleks ... could you really resist? LOL, easily.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 22:57:40 GMT
It's all down to opinion isn't it? Mine is 'yes'. I just think it's a shame Tom Baker never got his wish and had a brief 'hello' between The Doctor and Blake in a scene. Failing that, if a box set, or double-discer, was released, featuring the Blake crew going head-to-head with a bunch of Daleks ... could you really resist? LOL, easily. Well, that's one to the opposition!
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