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Post by mark687 on Dec 2, 2017 15:08:27 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 15:20:05 GMT
As someone who loves the Steed/Keel audio stories absolutely wonderful and the Steed/Peel audios not to my tastes, I'm in two minds about this. It's great to welcome more Avengers back at Big Finish, and this release at least makes me hopeful of more.
Is anyone familiar with the original story?
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Post by pawntake on Dec 2, 2017 15:24:05 GMT
wow! A pleasant surprise!! Christopher Benjamin as Mother a Master-stroke! Not pre-ordered yet but on my list  |
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Post by OneTen on Dec 2, 2017 15:59:43 GMT
I'm not familiar with the original story... And I'm certainly going to get this. I will admit to some trepidation, though, which is more due to overloading (Too Many Characters) than the fact that I didn't think the Big Finish Peel stories were as consistently good as the Keel series.
I'd have been delighted with Beth Chalmers as Mrs Peel, I can't quite imagine her as Cathy Gale, but I'm sure she'll be great. Very glad we'll have Carol Wilson in this; Lucy Briggs-Owen is sooo good in the part, I'd love it if Canal+ would approve a series of Steed/Wilson adventures.
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Post by coffeeaddict on Dec 2, 2017 22:37:08 GMT
I had a feeling that The Avengers was on the list of secret projects BF were working on. This is an immediate pre-order for me. All The Avengers releases so far have been fantastic.
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Post by anothermanicmondas on Dec 2, 2017 22:46:57 GMT
I read it when it was released but have not reread since and I don't remember it clearly
I'm not certain but I don't think it was as good as Deadline and Dead Duck but a lot better than many of the other books.
I'll have to dig out my copy and refresh my memory.
I'm certain Christopher Benjamin will be wonderful as Mother
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 3, 2017 3:20:32 GMT
Well, this is a pleasant surprise. More Avengers is welcome news.
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Post by rran on Dec 3, 2017 5:28:14 GMT
This is one range I’ve never ventured into. Should I ?
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Dec 3, 2017 7:30:19 GMT
This is one range I’ve never ventured into. Should I ? Yes. The Steed and Keel Avengers are fairly solid straight “spy-fi”, Julian Wadham’s Steed oozes Charisma And mystery, Anthony Howell’s Keel is honest, practical and moral, a straight man to the oddness of the underworld of spies, scoundrels and mysterious murderers he found himself in. the Steed and Peel stuff is “technicolour spy-fi”, wonderfully OTT. |
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Post by del37 on Dec 3, 2017 7:57:31 GMT
I read it when it was released but have not reread since and I don't remember it clearly I'm not certain but I don't think it was as good as Deadline and Dead Duck but a lot better than many of the other books. I'll have to dig out my copy and refresh my memory. I'm certain Christopher Benjamin will be wonderful as Mother Deadline is great if you want to know the workings of a newspaper office in the 1960s but it didn't read at all like an Avengers novel. Too Many Targets is a lot better in my view. |
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Post by mbt66 on Dec 3, 2017 15:35:26 GMT
Well this is a pleasant surprise!
I loved the Steed and Mrs Peel audios, so I will definitely be ordering this, however I will probably have to pay for Christmas first...
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Post by paulh on Dec 3, 2017 19:23:02 GMT
Fantastic news! Loved the lost episodes with Steed, Dr Keel and Carol. Mrs Gale and Tara King have always been my favourite female avengers, so I'm really looking forward to hearing them on audio.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 19:06:25 GMT
Gawd No, more of Olivia Poulet's dire performance as Emma Peel, really !! She's just dreadful.
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Post by rojblake on Dec 11, 2017 4:10:09 GMT
I read the book years ago. My only hope is they give Dr. Keel and Ms. Gale more to do then they did in the book. Although all the companions are in the book it focused more on Steed, Ms. Peel and Tara King. I think it is very important they leave the scene in the book where Ms. Peel angrily confronts Steed about not checking on her after her husband passed actually passed on.
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Post by ljwilson on Dec 11, 2017 8:40:10 GMT
Just a thought, if the chap at studicanal (sic) likes the remakes of existing material so much, why doesn't he just let BF write and record original stuff? They would be miles better than sticking to 50 year old scripts and story lines
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Post by mbt66 on Dec 11, 2017 20:16:56 GMT
Just a thought, if the chap at studicanal (sic) likes the remakes of existing material so much, why doesn't he just let BF write and record original stuff? They would be miles better than sticking to 50 year old scripts and story lines Yes I don't understand why Big Finish shouldn’t get a licence to produce “new” Avengers Adventures - less face the comic strips we effectively new stories anyway. |
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 11, 2017 23:20:32 GMT
Just a thought, if the chap at studicanal (sic) likes the remakes of existing material so much, why doesn't he just let BF write and record original stuff? They would be miles better than sticking to 50 year old scripts and story lines Yes I don't understand why Big Finish shouldn’t get a licence to produce “new” Avengers Adventures - less face the comic strips we effectively new stories anyway. Licenses are funny things and it is entirely possible that the company which holds the license won't allow Big Finish to create original stories using their characters. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 9:09:52 GMT
Yes I don't understand why Big Finish shouldn’t get a licence to produce “new” Avengers Adventures - less face the comic strips we effectively new stories anyway. Licenses are funny things and it is entirely possible that the company which holds the license won't allow Big Finish to create original stories using their characters. A really good example from another franchise is one I think will be familiar to Bond fans when I mention the names Kevin McClory and Jack Whittingham. Let me tell you a tale of why in the film series they dropped SPECTRE after 1969 and only decided to reintroduce them in 2015... Like a lot of authors, Ian Fleming was known to take some old projects that never got off the ground and reconfigure them as new stories for publication, something he did for short stories, For Your Eyes Only and From A View to a Kill. Thunderball was originally written as a screenplay with Kevin McClory and Jack Whittingham for a project that never really got off the ground. When Fleming decided to use the screenplay as the basis for his 1961 novel of the same name without the permission of his co-authors, they sued for plagarism and took the matter to court. McClory won the case and that's how the film version of Thunderball came about. What that meant for the rights, however, was that Eon Productions were allowed to make films based on any of Fleming's other titles, but they could not use the organisation of SPECTRE or remake Thunderball. McClory could remake Thunderball or some variation on it and use SPECTRE, but also, strangely enough, had joint rights to the character of James Bond as well. Even though he was originally created by Fleming. *scratches head in bafflement* Yeah... I don't understand it either, but that's how the usage rights eventually panned out. McClory's group were able to make one film in that time, Never Say Never Again, although there were plans for more. Licencing can be very strange.
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Post by OneTen on Dec 12, 2017 14:24:29 GMT
What that meant for the rights, however, was that Eon Productions were allowed to make films based on any of Fleming's other titles, but they could not use the organisation of SPECTRE or remake Thunderball. McClory could remake Thunderball or some variation on it and use SPECTRE, but also, strangely enough, had joint rights to the character of James Bond as well. Even though he was originally created by Fleming. *scratches head in bafflement* Yeah... I don't understand it either, but that's how the usage rights eventually panned out. McClory's group were able to make one film in that time, Never Say Never Again, although there were plans for more. The reason, as I understand it, that McClory ended up able to use James Bond was the settlement gave him the film rights to Thunderball (screenplay and novel) which feature Bond. But he couldn't make any original films with Bond, since the character did not originate in Thunderball. So, as you say, he could make Thunderball only - hence the 1965 film and Never Say Never Again. There were plans for a second remake ( Warhead 2000) but even that got bogged down in rights ownership issues. It's not obvious how he could use Bond beyond that, except maybe persuading Sony to do a Casino Royale remake - although I guess he could have done a spin-off starring Blofeld... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 0:27:37 GMT
What that meant for the rights, however, was that Eon Productions were allowed to make films based on any of Fleming's other titles, but they could not use the organisation of SPECTRE or remake Thunderball. McClory could remake Thunderball or some variation on it and use SPECTRE, but also, strangely enough, had joint rights to the character of James Bond as well. Even though he was originally created by Fleming. *scratches head in bafflement* Yeah... I don't understand it either, but that's how the usage rights eventually panned out. McClory's group were able to make one film in that time, Never Say Never Again, although there were plans for more. The reason, as I understand it, that McClory ended up able to use James Bond was the settlement gave him the film rights to Thunderball (screenplay and novel) which feature Bond. But he couldn't make any original films with Bond, since the character did not originate in Thunderball. So, as you say, he could make Thunderball only - hence the 1965 film and Never Say Never Again. There were plans for a second remake ( Warhead 2000) but even that got bogged down in rights ownership issues. It's not obvious how he could use Bond beyond that, except maybe persuading Sony to do a Casino Royale remake - although I guess he could have done a spin-off starring Blofeld... Mmm, it does seem to have a somewhat finite lifespan. Although set of films exclusively following SPECTRE could have been really interesting if handled correctly. Maybe, if they were feeling particularly devious, they could have come up with a character like Napoleon Solo or Derek Flint who took cues from Bond, but was a different character in the same universe; someone introduced in their version of Thunderball/Casino Royale as Bond's off-sider. What would make or break it, I suspect would be the actor they ultimately went with. James Brolin could have been an interesting choice (I actually think he would've made a very decent Felix Leiter for a couple films). Interestingly, you can read the original script -- penned by Len Deighton (of IPCRESS File fame), Kevin McClory and Sean Connery -- here on 007 Dossier. Magic of the internet. |
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