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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2017 19:42:14 GMT
So many mixed reviews; what's 'The Last Jedi' like compared to 'The Force Awakens'. I didn't like 'TFA' at all so never even bothered going to watch 'Rogue One'. If you're just looking for a decent film to watch then this will definitely do the trick. I mean, it's not groundbreaking but the entire thing is assured of itself and it didn't cut and paste anything from earlier Star Wars films that I could tell. The plot pushes forward based entirely on the motivation of its characters, though, which does make it a slight plod at times, and there's also a lack of action to go with it, I felt.
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Post by christmastrenzalore on Dec 24, 2017 20:30:54 GMT
So many mixed reviews; what's 'The Last Jedi' like compared to 'The Force Awakens'. I didn't like 'TFA' at all so never even bothered going to watch 'Rogue One'. Honestly, no-one can answer that for you for this film in particular. It's divided people so much - some of who loved TFA and some who didnt - that it's probably the only SW film you really have to see just to know for yourself. I could tell reasonably accurately if Rogue One was gonna be someone's cup of tea and I knew which of my friends would love TFA.....this one has reactions all over the shop. I've got a friend who thinks it's the only good SW film since Empire who long resigned himself to only digging the EU novels and has been rejuvenated by it and I've got another who adored TFA and thinks this ruined it. And I don't agree with either one of them! A real Rorschach test of a film. As luke-warm as I was on the film, the varied reactions to it has been kinda fascinating. Even my other friends who weren't keen on the film, weren't keen on it for different reasons to me. My brother, who is always picking apart films (and I was certain was going to dislike TLJ) said he really enjoyed it.
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Post by Timelord007 on Dec 25, 2017 7:37:21 GMT
Lmao what a awesome quote redsharkJason, me & Davy reviewing movies together OMG if that was on Tv I'd enjoy watching that, Davys completely wrong of course about the Last Jedi but it's ok we all get it wrong sometimes even Mr Gallagher We both did agree on Blade Runner being good though, we disagree on various films & Doctor Who but he's a down to earth nice chap & even if i don't always agree with his opinion i respect it. Yep, and you can trust this man ^ on movies because he's just posted on the other thread about buying Jean Claude Van Damme's latest opus and the conclusion of the much anticipated Jeepers Creepers trilogy. I'm defo the Ebert of the two....you can be Siskel! Yes, we did agree on Blade Runner - hopefully we'll agree on a few more GOOD movies in 2018. Better we all like the stuff we're paying for after all - no-one spends 15 quid not to like something. Besides... I'm sure you'll love Friday The 13th Part 47 or the latest Chuck Norris effort Timelord. Ssssshhhhh those Chuck Norris & JCVD B' movies are my guilty pleasures. I think the next film I'll see at the cinema is Black Panther.
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Post by Timelord007 on Dec 25, 2017 7:39:49 GMT
Yep, and you can trust this man ^ on movies because he's just posted on the other thread about buying Jean Claude Van Damme's latest opus and the conclusion of the much anticipated Jeepers Creepers trilogy. I'm defo the Ebert of the two....you can be Siskel! Yes, we did agree on Blade Runner - hopefully we'll agree on a few more GOOD movies in 2018. Better we all like the stuff we're paying for after all - no-one spends 15 quid not to like something. Besides... I'm sure you'll love Friday The 13th Part 47 or the latest Chuck Norris effort Timelord. Lmao.
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Post by anothermanicmondas on Dec 25, 2017 11:27:58 GMT
I think part of the reason for te controversy is that it is a bit of a subversive take on Star Wars going more realistic than the normal {Spoilers} The band of a heroes who on their own initiative go off to sabotague with the First Order and buy a breathing space for the resistance don't save the day but instead end up making things much worse instead (so a large portion of the film is about the heroes making a mess of things). The criminal they work with can't be trusted. Rey's parentage doesn't matter. this film is the "dark" middle chapter of a trilogy and is about the "forging" of the heroes. {Spoiler} the resistence has been decimated, but the heroes have learned from their experiences and are better than before - and seeds have been planted to regrow the resistance. The First Order have taken over the Republic but they have lost their leader (and maybe Phasma) and may have a hard time keeping unified and properly focussed.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 25, 2017 19:15:20 GMT
I honestly don't understand the moaning about this movie. It's a well crafted and executed movie that moves the franchise forward.
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Post by nudge on Dec 26, 2017 17:45:18 GMT
So many mixed reviews; what's 'The Last Jedi' like compared to 'The Force Awakens'. I didn't like 'TFA' at all so never even bothered going to watch 'Rogue One'. Thanks to those people who responded to my previous post (above); Once I've found somewhere to rent it I'm going to give 'Rogue One' a try and if I like that will watch TLJ. Whilst this isn't earth shattering news, it at least changed my opinion from 'never' to 'give it a go'.
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Post by rran on Dec 26, 2017 17:49:51 GMT
So many mixed reviews; what's 'The Last Jedi' like compared to 'The Force Awakens'. I didn't like 'TFA' at all so never even bothered going to watch 'Rogue One'. Thanks to those people who responded to my previous post (above); Once I've found somewhere to rent it I'm going to give 'Rogue One' a try and if I like that will watch TLJ. Whilst this isn't earth shattering news, it at least changed my opinion from 'never' to 'give it a go'. Oh do check out Rogue one. I didn’t watch it initially because I was prejudiced that it wasn’t a proper SW “episode”. But I loved it more than TFA and TLJ Many times, we are in for surprises..
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Post by Digi on Dec 27, 2017 5:48:21 GMT
I honestly don't understand the moaning about this movie. It's a well crafted and executed movie that moves the franchise forward. While I enjoy coming to DU, it does have a crowd of people who just love to moan--loudly--about anything that falls short of their impossible expectations.
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Post by Jeedai on Dec 27, 2017 6:02:11 GMT
While I enjoy coming to DU, it does have a crowd of people who just love to moan--loudly--about anything that falls short of their impossible expectations. That post could have been SO much better. <dodges rotten fruit>
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Post by theotherjosh on Dec 27, 2017 14:52:50 GMT
I went into the movie almost entirely unspoiled yesterday. I hadn’t even watched the trailers. I can’t think of a specific set piece in any Star Wars movie (not even the prequels!) that I hated more than Poe’s phone call. It embodies everything I dislike about the Star Wars universe. Poe was the breakout star of The Force Awakens and this scene made me hate Poe. Also, the writing was just terrible, with Hux channeling Rolf the Nazi boyfriend from the Sound of Music and speaking in “Your father, the king” exposition. Blue Milk: I had actually absorbed Alton Brown’s explanation from several years back that the blue milk from Star Wars was not actually milk. www.mediaite.com/food/alton-brown-blue-milk-star-wars/Kind of gross and unnecessary, but whatever.
A slap across the face is always bad writing unless one character is challenging another to pistols at dawn
It’s weird that the best parts of the movie involve Kylo Ren.
I thought Leia’s floating through space bit was cheesy, but I don’t think I could have handled it if they had killed her off.
Laura Dern’s character should have treated Poe with more courtesy, but she was never wrong. I’ve never been in the army, but I’m pretty sure it doesn’t work well if everybody runs off to do whatever they feel like.
“We are the spark, that will light the fire that will burn the First Order down.” That’s a little awkward and unwieldy, but I’m willing to forgive it if it turns out to be a reference to "The Force That Through the Green Fuse Drives the Flower".
Rose was wonderful. The story needed a human character to ground the high mimetic mode archetypes and she was perfect.
Porgs? They’re fine, I guess. They’re cute and designed to sell plushies, but they didn’t get a whole lot of screen time, so I didn’t find them intrusive.
There was no tension in the chase scene and I think that was the biggest problem with the movie. It should have been oppressive and relentless and inevitable. Instead, it was a leisurely jaunt through outer space that permitted a forty-five minute excursion to Space Monte Carlo. It’s like going through the drive-through when the police are chasing you.
I yelled out, “It’s the Boy Who Lived!” when Luke failed to kill Kylo Ren.
I thought Yoda was used really well. Best use of the character since Empire.
Poe’s mutiny annoyed me. I thought it made Leia look dumb for putting the Vice Admiral in a position where she would be promoted to the leadership role.
At this point I felt that the movie was a deeply bad film with some standout moments, and almost in the span of a scene I went to thinking of it as a near masterpiece. The codebreaker betrays them, Snoke set them up. Most importantly, we learn that Laura Dern had a plan and Poe messed it up with his antics.
I really enjoyed the scene in the throne room. Snoke is kind of a tool, and he looks goofy, but at least he dies after setting up a pretty cool scene.
The salt planet had some striking visuals. My wife liked the salt foxes.
I liked everything about Luke’s appearance there. How Kylo Ren first tries to kill him with the AT-ATs before coming down to for the duel. It didn’t work, but props for trying. It reminded me of one of my favorite passages from Tolkien.
Then Fingolfin beheld (as it seemed to him) the utter ruin of the Noldor, and the defeat beyond redress of all their houses; and filled with wrath and despair he mounted upon Rochallor his great horse and rode forth alone, and none might restrain him. He passed over Dor-nu-Fauglith like a wind amid the dust, and all that beheld his onset fled in amaze, thinking that Oromë himself was come: for a great madness of rage was upon him, so that his eyes shone like the eyes of the Valar.
Thus he came alone to Angband's gates, and he sounded his horn, and smote once more upon the brazen doors, and challenged Morgoth to come forth to single combat. And Morgoth came. That was the last time in those wars that he passed the doors of his stronghold, and it is said that he took not the challenge willingly; for though his might was greatest of all things in this world, alone of the Valar he knew fear. But he could not now deny the challenge before the face of his captains; for the rocks rang with the shrill music of Fingolfin's horn, and his voice came keen and clear down into the depths of Angband; and Fingolfin named Morgoth craven, and lord of slaves. Therefore Morgoth came, climbing slowly from his subterranean throne, and the rumour of his feet was like thunder underground. And he issued forth clad in black armour; and he stood before the King like a tower, iron-crowned, and his vast shield, sable on blazoned, cast a shadow over him like a stormcloud.
But Fingolfin gleamed beneath it as a star; for his mail was overlaid with silver, and his blue shield was set with crystals; and he drew his sword Ringil, that glittered like ice.
I think it’s a tremendously movie that has some significant flaws running all the way through it, but these flaws might be essential to its character.
Possibly the best Star Wars movie after Empire.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 27, 2017 19:34:42 GMT
Possibly the best Star Wars movie after Empire.
I agree with that statement 100%.
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Post by christmastrenzalore on Dec 27, 2017 21:14:33 GMT
I went into the movie almost entirely unspoiled yesterday. I hadn’t even watched the trailers. I can’t think of a specific set piece in any Star Wars movie (not even the prequels!) that I hated more than Poe’s phone call. It embodies everything I dislike about the Star Wars universe. Poe was the breakout star of The Force Awakens and this scene made me hate Poe. Also, the writing was just terrible, with Hux channeling Rolf the Nazi boyfriend from the Sound of Music and speaking in “Your father, the king” exposition. At this point I felt that the movie was a deeply bad film with some standout moments, and almost in the span of a scene I went to thinking of it as a near masterpiece. The codebreaker betrays them, Snoke set them up. Most importantly, we learn that Laura Dern had a plan and Poe messed it up with his antics. I liked everything about Luke’s appearance there. How Kylo Ren first tries to kill him with the AT-ATs before coming down to for the duel. It didn’t work, but props for trying. It reminded me of one of my favorite passages from Tolkien.
I think it’s a tremendously movie that has some significant flaws running all the way through it, but these flaws might be essential to its character.
Possibly the best Star Wars movie after Empire.
I agree so much about the opening gag. It really set a bad tone. While the climax did do a great deal to redeem the film, and all the stuff with Kylo Ren was great, everything leading up to that was just so messy and badly structured. You hit the nail on the head with the seige/Poe plot. But here's a musing. Poe's supposed to learn a lesson about not being a reckless idiot, after the loss of life during the attack, and the consequences of his mutiny. Fair enough. I was right with Laura Dern when she scolded him.But the fact that the lack of communication lead to more issues, and that in the long run, destroying the death ship actually saved the Resistance in the long run (even if Poe didn't know that), it really gives a mixed message on that front. The Finn/Rose plot was OK, but I lost so much investment after they where thrown into jail and just happened to bump into the type of person they were looking for, who bust them out right away. Both the moment of humanity when he returns Rose's locket and the betrayal felt a damp squib. (Though Finn's line "Rebel Scum" felt earned; a good progression of his character arc from the last film.) Rey and Luke's plot was by far the most interesting (all the training and interaction was great, not to meantion the great use of Yoda as you meantion), but even that was slightly repetitive the way he can't make up his mind if he'll train her or not. And I don't think I quite understood the dark pit scene. (Was the implication that Rey saw her reflection because she already knew the truth?) The film felt like it definitely trying to subvert out expectations and even disappoint us, which is daring and can be done to great effect, but mostly just fell flat for me. The only instances where it felt well done were Luke's hermit state (well played even if Hamill wasn't a fan) Rey's parents (which I had honestly suspected since the first film; she seemed in denial, and it adds an interesting layer to her character) and Kylo Ren's turn (it was a bit weird, but a bold turn, and honestly I never cared that much who Snoke was). The film is definitely interesting to think about, and the climax is great, but I wouldn't put it near Empire myself. It just didn't make me feel a whole lot.
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Post by theotherjosh on Dec 27, 2017 21:54:42 GMT
I agree so much about the opening gag. It really set a bad tone. While the climax did do a great deal to redeem the film, and all the stuff with Kylo Ren was great, everything leading up to that was just so messy and badly structured. Agreed. You hit the nail on the head with the seige/Poe plot. But here's a musing. Poe's supposed to learn a lesson about not being a reckless idiot, after the loss of life during the attack, and the consequences of his mutiny. Fair enough. I was right with Laura Dern when she scolded him.But the fact that the lack of communication lead to more issues, and that in the long run, destroying the death ship actually saved the Resistance in the long run (even if Poe didn't know that), it really gives a mixed message on that front. Again, I agree. I think the intent with Poe ordering Finn off his suicide run was to show that he had matured and learned his lesson, but as it was, it just smacked of hypocrisy. Why should he listen to your orders if you can't be bothered to obey yours? The Finn/Rose plot was OK, but I lost so much investment after they where thrown into jail and just happened to bump into the type of person they were looking for, who bust them out right away. Both the moment of humanity when he returns Rose's locket and the betrayal felt a damp squib. (Though Finn's line "Rebel Scum" felt earned; a good progression of his character arc from the last film.) I read a very good review that touches on that very topic. re: the codebreaker, I didn't see his betrayal coming, but when it happened, I assumed that he was a plant. However, now that I think about it, there's nothing really in the text of the movie that suggests that. And I don't think I quite understood the dark pit scene. (Was the implication that Rey saw her reflection because she already knew the truth?) I'm not sure either, but Star Wars is occasionally painted in very broad strokes, so it's nice to have a scene open to interpretation. I don't know if it's canon any more, but I believe the reason Yoda was originally hanging out near the dark side cave on Dagobah was because proximity to it would mask his presence and I figured Luke was doing something similar. The film felt like it definitely trying to subvert out expectations and even disappoint us, which is daring and can be done to great effect, but mostly just fell flat for me. The only instances where it felt well done were Luke's hermit state (well played even if Hamill wasn't a fan) Rey's parents (which I had honestly suspected since the first film; she seemed in denial, and it adds an interesting layer to her character) and Kylo Ren's turn (it was a bit weird, but a bold turn, and honestly I never cared that much who Snoke was). The film is definitely interesting to think about, and the climax is great, but I wouldn't put it near Empire myself. It just didn't make me feel a whole lot. I'm happy with the reveal (if that was the truth and not just a misdirect) about Rey's parents, because I remember criticism of TFA where people complained that she better not be a lost Skywalker because that would mean that there was only one family in the universe that really matters. In general, I did like it, but I certainly understand where you're coming from with your complaints about it too.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 27, 2017 23:36:42 GMT
I’ve always felt like Rey was connected to Kenobi in some way. I loved the idea of a Kenobi returning the lightsaber to Luke and hoping that he would train her. It made sense to me in a very George Lucas kind of way.
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Post by melkur on Dec 28, 2017 12:20:02 GMT
I (finally) saw it yesterday afternoon whilst I was in Guild ford. Although I did drift off a little bit when Finn/Rose landed on the planet to find the code-breaker (I woke up when the two of them were being chased whilst riding the dog... Creatures), I did enjoy it enough, though will probably have a more rounded opinion of it when part nine is released in a couple of years...
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Post by muckypup on Dec 28, 2017 12:48:29 GMT
Now I still have not had chance to see it, this is possibly the most marmite that the Star Wars universe has been.
I have 2 buddies who loved it, saying it’s possibly the best Star Wars film, while I have two other who say that it’s fun but terrible and as bad as phantom and no marl to redeem it.
Can it really be that terrible or that good......my mind is spinning
God I wish the dvd/digital version can out sooner so I can judge.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Dec 30, 2017 13:06:46 GMT
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Post by ljwilson on Dec 31, 2017 14:07:03 GMT
Well, I saw it on Christmas Eve and I thought it was totally crap...as a whole.
The jokey first half, one gag after another, was just terrible. The naff bird things on Luke's island were just awful, as we're the horse things and that casino sequence.
Now, the hall of mirrors in the dark place was superb, as was the dust skimmer things, for a bit of positivity and all that.
What a load of rubbish. Review over.
Edit: oh and I liked the bit when the cruiser slices through the Star Destroyer, a good use of silence
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 16:45:25 GMT
So many mixed reviews; what's 'The Last Jedi' like compared to 'The Force Awakens'. I didn't like 'TFA' at all so never even bothered going to watch 'Rogue One'. If you're just looking for a decent film to watch then this will definitely do the trick. I mean, it's not groundbreaking but the entire thing is assured of itself and it didn't cut and paste anything from earlier Star Wars films that I could tell. The plot pushes forward based entirely on the motivation of its characters, though, which does make it a slight plod at times, and there's also a lack of action to go with it, I felt. Yes it did cut & paste stuff. I won't say what because of spoilers. & the plot goes nowhere. Literally in terms of one subplot/side quest.
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