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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 17, 2018 15:02:16 GMT
They totally should have. I don't agree with any of these special releases exclusive to other countries. I think they're all a two fingers up at the show's home country. We should be getting these here over any other country. Yes, but it happens in reverse too. Agents Of SHIELD Season 3 isnt out in the US - the "home country" for the show - at all but my lovely UK digibook has been on my shelf for over a year. I've had the 90s Spider-Man cartoon on DVD for a decade....never been released in the US, its home country. Ditto the Bill Bixby/Lou Ferrigno live action Incredible Hulk show - I have all 5 seasons on bluray and the US don't have it at all. It's not an arbitrary decision - a distributor in the US and in Australia has said "Here's something we could do..." and retailers have said they'll take stock making it a viable idea. If there's no-one in the "home country" agreeing to make them available on the high street here, then believing no-one else in the world should have them is very, very entitled. If it wasn't for overseas sales Doctor WHo would have been dead, and stayed dead, a long time ago. Those fans are as deserving as you or I especially given they pay a lot more for the show. Who DVDs and blurays cost a lot more Stateside than here even when they are in print. Having to import vs not having them at all? Not a tough choice. It's wrong that this happens. I like Agents of SHIELD but I would be fine with us not getting Blu-ray releases when the home country of the show isn't. I also don't see why any online or offline shops here wouldn't sell classic Doctor Who box sets. We're the home country so there'd be much more demand than in America or Australia.
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Post by bobod on Jan 17, 2018 15:49:59 GMT
Aren't the German boxsets actually made by the Germans. They're putting all the work in. Dubbing. Reconstructing the soundtrack. Etc. Etc. THEY'RE the ones making it happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 19:06:24 GMT
Speaking as an Australian, I strongly disagree You haven't seen the shipping costs Besides, we've broadcast the most episodes outside of the UK (all except Mission to the Unknown and The Dalek's Masterplan), and Doctor Who is possibly an equally big part of our culture as well as yours. We're also responsible for 90% of your favourite censor clips. You're welcome (Special mention to New Zealand who were the first country to broadcast the program outside of the UK) Also, Germany has sold complete season (DVD) box sets of the Colin Baker and McCoy years. Are you going to say they should have been produced for the British market too? They totally should have. I don't agree with any of these special releases exclusive to other countries. I think they're all a two fingers up at the show's home country. We should be getting these here over any other country. Maybe that's because there's a bigger market in the U.K. for individual DVD releases because the show is more popular/nostalgic/culturally relevant here than overseas and the British audience is more likely to part with its own cash over it. I'm not sure how expanding the brand overseas is somehow putting two fingers up to UK consumers who have been buying this stuff for around twenty years? If you're really that concerned about getting box sets to save shelf space then you can always get the region free German box sets that also come with the English original, as well as new and exclusive special features (that can also be viewed in their original English).
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 17, 2018 19:20:54 GMT
They totally should have. I don't agree with any of these special releases exclusive to other countries. I think they're all a two fingers up at the show's home country. We should be getting these here over any other country. Maybe that's because there's a bigger market in the U.K. for individual DVD releases because the show is more popular/nostalgic/culturally relevant here than overseas and the British audience is more likely to part with its own cash over it. I'm not sure how expanding the brand overseas is somehow putting two fingers up to UK consumers who have been buying this stuff for around twenty years? If you're really that concerned about getting box sets to save shelf space then you can always get the region free German box sets that also come with the English original, as well as new and exclusive special features (that can also be viewed in their original English). Because if we don't get the same things as them and what they get is significantly better it is effectively saying we aren't worth as much as the foreign audience. I think this is a bit insulting. I don't see why I should have to import a German release when BBC Worldwide should be catering to us in the show's home country as well. If I do that it's basically telling them that as a consumer I'm happy with it, which I'm not and never have been. We should have got The Matt Smith Years box set, we should be getting The Peter Capaldi Years box set and we should be getting this release also.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 19:29:26 GMT
Maybe that's because there's a bigger market in the U.K. for individual DVD releases because the show is more popular/nostalgic/culturally relevant here than overseas and the British audience is more likely to part with its own cash over it. I'm not sure how expanding the brand overseas is somehow putting two fingers up to UK consumers who have been buying this stuff for around twenty years? If you're really that concerned about getting box sets to save shelf space then you can always get the region free German box sets that also come with the English original, as well as new and exclusive special features (that can also be viewed in their original English). Because if we don't get the same things as them and what they get is significantly better it is effectively saying we aren't worth as much as the foreign audience. I think this is a bit insulting. I don't see why I should have to import a German release when BBC Worldwide should be catering to us in the show's home country as well. If I do that it's basically telling them that as a consumer I'm happy with it, which I'm not and never have been. We should have got The Matt Smith Years box set, we should be getting The Peter Capaldi Years box set and we should be getting this release also. BBC Worldwide are catering to us, though. We get the series released on DVD/Blu-Ray first. We get special editions of classic stories. We get DWM. We get BF cheaper than abroad. Think practically. What's the point of spending money rereleasing old material for the sake of a couple of new bonus features? Would that really sell?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 17, 2018 20:13:04 GMT
Because if we don't get the same things as them and what they get is significantly better it is effectively saying we aren't worth as much as the foreign audience. I think this is a bit insulting. I don't see why I should have to import a German release when BBC Worldwide should be catering to us in the show's home country as well. If I do that it's basically telling them that as a consumer I'm happy with it, which I'm not and never have been. We should have got The Matt Smith Years box set, we should be getting The Peter Capaldi Years box set and we should be getting this release also. BBC Worldwide are catering to us, though. We get the series released on DVD/Blu-Ray first. We get special editions of classic stories. We get DWM. We get BF cheaper than abroad. Think practically. What's the point of spending money rereleasing old material for the sake of a couple of new bonus features? Would that really sell? Yes, because new versions of old releases are happening everywhere so they must be selling well. The Nintendo Switch is getting a Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze re-release, Groundhog Day is getting a 4K Blu-ray remaster and there have been countless re-releases of Back To The Future and Ghostbusters on Blu-ray. Plenty of casual buyers would purchase a Tom Baker set in this country as it would be less daunting than collecting each DVD separately. For a while now it has felt like BBC Worldwide are putting other countries first. America even got a 3D Dark Water/Death In Heaven that you had to import if you wanted to watch it because they only released it in the U.S.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 20:22:39 GMT
BBC Worldwide are catering to us, though. We get the series released on DVD/Blu-Ray first. We get special editions of classic stories. We get DWM. We get BF cheaper than abroad. Think practically. What's the point of spending money rereleasing old material for the sake of a couple of new bonus features? Would that really sell? Yes, because new versions of old releases are happening everywhere so they must be selling well. The Nintendo Switch is getting a Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze re-release, Groundhog Day is getting a 4K Blu-ray remaster and there have been countless re-releases of Back To The Future and Ghostbusters on Blu-ray. Plenty of casual buyers would purchase a Tom Baker set in this country as it would be less daunting than collecting each DVD separately. For a while now it has felt like BBC Worldwide are putting other countries first. America even got a 3D Dark Water/Death In Heaven that you had to import if you wanted to watch it because they only released it in the U.S. Dark Water & Death in Heaven were both converted to 3D after filming. Also they weren't filmed with the 3D format in mind. So not really a great loss by all accounts. If there were sufficient market for 3D in the UK I am sure this would have got a 3D release. I also don't think that the original series would be done any favours by being released in Bluray, the original footage just isn't of a good enough quality. Releasing 4K versions of older Hollywood movies is slightly different as they have higher production values & would benefit from the upgrade.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 21:58:11 GMT
Yes, because new versions of old releases are happening everywhere so they must be selling well. The Nintendo Switch is getting a Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze re-release, Groundhog Day is getting a 4K Blu-ray remaster and there have been countless re-releases of Back To The Future and Ghostbusters on Blu-ray. Plenty of casual buyers would purchase a Tom Baker set in this country as it would be less daunting than collecting each DVD separately. For a while now it has felt like BBC Worldwide are putting other countries first. America even got a 3D Dark Water/Death In Heaven that you had to import if you wanted to watch it because they only released it in the U.S. Dark Water & Death in Heaven were both converted to 3D after filming. Also they weren't filmed with the 3D format in mind. So not really a great loss by all accounts. If there were sufficient market for 3D in the UK I am sure this would have got a 3D release. I also don't think that the original series would be done any favours by being released in Bluray, the original footage just isn't of a good enough quality. Releasing 4K versions of older Hollywood movies is slightly different as they have higher production values & would benefit from the upgrade. Old Hollywood films are also wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy less niche than late-1980s Doctor Who.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 18, 2018 0:10:05 GMT
Yes, because new versions of old releases are happening everywhere so they must be selling well. The Nintendo Switch is getting a Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze re-release, Groundhog Day is getting a 4K Blu-ray remaster and there have been countless re-releases of Back To The Future and Ghostbusters on Blu-ray. Plenty of casual buyers would purchase a Tom Baker set in this country as it would be less daunting than collecting each DVD separately. For a while now it has felt like BBC Worldwide are putting other countries first. America even got a 3D Dark Water/Death In Heaven that you had to import if you wanted to watch it because they only released it in the U.S. Dark Water & Death in Heaven were both converted to 3D after filming. Also they weren't filmed with the 3D format in mind. So not really a great loss by all accounts. If there were sufficient market for 3D in the UK I am sure this would have got a 3D release. I also don't think that the original series would be done any favours by being released in Bluray, the original footage just isn't of a good enough quality. Releasing 4K versions of older Hollywood movies is slightly different as they have higher production values & would benefit from the upgrade. That's true about Dark Water/Death In Heaven. It annoyed me at the time because Doctor Who is a natural fit for 3D and although importing it was easy I still would have preferred a release over here. As for the original series, as has already been said the benefits would be in how much easier it would make it to collect the classic series and how it would take up less space.
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Post by rran on Jan 18, 2018 2:12:13 GMT
I personally don’t mind any version of a DVD as long as it’s region compatible and I don’t have to shell out too much as import fees. However some people are particular, if DB wishes to be then that’s his call. I wouldn’t try to tell him off for it
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Post by rran on Jan 18, 2018 4:00:12 GMT
I'm sorry, Davy, but there have been many occasions in the past when you've been incredible short with people. There was a distinct period of time when you used to accuse me on a very regular basis that I was simply trying to prove how clever I was with every post I made, despite me saying, hey I'm going through a lot and don't do that. You are a man in your thirties, and quite frankly, I really don't think that's good enough. You might find DB's behaviour frustrating, but you also an option of either not replying or contemplating a better response. I'm not saying DB shouldn't reconsider how he approaches topics, either, but your response should not be that difficult. I am not putting myself as arbiter of behaviour, but I believe there is a standard, I think most people would agree on. Quite frankly, I find 'internet rhetoric', particularly here where we're usually a lot higher above that, a bit wearing. Since you've decided not to take davygallagher's advice and continue this publically, I have to add that I've never found him anything other than pleasant and good fun to converse with. If you do not, perhaps you should follow your own advice and not engage. I offer this not to be combative, just in favour of balance. I certainly have learned (the hard way!) it is better not to engage with anyone I find continually frustrating. Also, it might be said, everyone has personal problems. Some mention it on here, some keep it private. True. I belong to the first category, though at times I feel there may be people who may find it a bit too much. That's why I had voiced aloud in one of my earlier posts if I should probably refrain from posting it..
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Post by glutamodo on Jan 18, 2018 8:35:27 GMT
While I saw most of the original series on a 13" black and white Hitachi TV, the prospect of seeing them in better format isn't a bad thing. Also, as someone in the USA, PAL-to-HiDef, technically, is better than PAL-to-NTSC. Now, as some one who had bought only a handful of DW on DVD, I'm not sure how many such BR collections I would buy, but I have to say I would not automatically say no to them either.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Feb 17, 2018 12:44:57 GMT
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Post by Whovitt on Feb 17, 2018 13:53:07 GMT
When one considers the size of the UK vs the size of The World, I would say The World would be the largest part of the show's viewers Teasing aside, I would just wait if I were you There's absolutely nothing to suggest that there won't be a UK release, it simply hasn't been announced yet (and I'm pretty certain this isn't a first!). And since there's an Australian version available for order (covering both R1 and R4), the chances of an R2 release not being in the works are minimal to none. All we need is patience
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Feb 17, 2018 15:12:44 GMT
When one considers the size of the UK vs the size of The World, I would say The World would be the largest part of the show's viewers Teasing aside, I would just wait if I were you There's absolutely nothing to suggest that there won't be a UK release, it simply hasn't been announced yet (and I'm pretty certain this isn't a first!). And since there's an Australian version available for order (covering both R1 and R4), the chances of an R2 release not being in the works are minimal to none. All we need is patience Why announce the releases separately if this were the case? Why not just announce at the same time? Unless they can't because DWM have the exclusive rights to announce classic series releases first.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 15:16:02 GMT
I agree. It should be UK first!
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Post by fitzoliverj on Feb 17, 2018 15:19:42 GMT
I dunno.... 4th Doctor box sets for the Americans, 7th Doctor sets for the Germans - when do the Portuguese get something, that's what I want to know!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 15:20:22 GMT
I dunno.... 4th Doctor box sets for the Americans, 7th Doctor sets for the Germans - when do the Portuguese get something, that's what I want to know! They don't deserve anything
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Post by doomlord on Feb 17, 2018 15:29:44 GMT
It's harder to sell DW overseas than it is here in the UK, so naturally any release outside of the UK will need to be marketed differently in a any country that already has its own popular television series competing for shop and online space before any of that foreign muck starts creeping in. DW has been instilled within us for over five decades here, it is part of the UK's consciousness and an institution, so the amazingly put together single DVD releases are easier to sell to we Britons and they're worth every penny and have plenty of life in them yet as new fans are dipping into them in their droves, even outselling the new series releases, which is no surprise to me. It's easier to repackage stuff and introduce an otherwise well-established yet unfamiliar subject as compilation or 'best of' as an incentive to buy. I can't see BBC Worldwide (UK) producing this for our shores for a good few years yet, not while the DVDs are still selling well. I'm glad they've released this bluray as units sold will be a good indicator to see if it sells well, I hope it does so it paves the way for more US releases. I just hope the discs include all the incredible special features that came with the DVD releases.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Feb 17, 2018 15:34:24 GMT
It's harder to sell DW overseas than it is here in the UK, so naturally any release outside of the UK will need to be marketed differently in a any country that already has its own popular television series competing for shop and online space before any of that foreign muck starts creeping in. DW has been instilled within us for over five decades here, it is part of the UK's consciousness and an institution, so the amazingly put together single DVD releases are easier to sell to we Britons and they're worth every penny and have plenty of life in them yet as new fans are dipping into them in their droves, even outselling the new series releases, which is no surprise to me. It's easier to repackage stuff and introduce an otherwise well-established yet unfamiliar subject as compilation or 'best of' as an incentive to buy. I can't see BBC Worldwide (UK) producing this for our shores for a good few years yet, not while the DVDs are still selling well. I'm glad they've released this bluray as units sold will be a good indicator to see if it sells well, I hope it does so it paves the way for more US releases. I just hope the discs include all the incredible special features that came with the DVD releases. Well if they don't release this over here this year like the American release I shall be seriously considering whether to boycott every future BBC Worldwide DVD/Blu-ray release. If enough people do it, perhaps it will send them a message that the UK fanbase is fed up of being neglected by BBCWW?
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