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Post by ollychops on Feb 28, 2019 18:08:30 GMT
Quick question for anyone with knowledge of the VNAs/VMAs - I'm starting to dip my toe into the novels (finally!), but I wondered if there was any point in getting the novels that BF have already adapted - is there much difference between the audios and the original novels? I know Damaged Goods has some differences to cut out the more plot-heavy points from the book, and the novel of Love and War expands the relationship between Ace and Jan more, but would I really be missing out much if I didn't bother reading them?
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Post by newt5996 on Feb 28, 2019 19:46:02 GMT
Quick question for anyone with knowledge of the VNAs/VMAs - I'm starting to dip my toe into the novels (finally!), but I wondered if there was any point in getting the novels that BF have already adapted - is there much difference between the audios and the original novels? I know Damaged Goods has some differences to cut out the more plot-heavy points from the book, and the novel of Love and War expands the relationship between Ace and Jan more, but would I really be missing out much if I didn't bother reading them? I’d say read them anyway because they’re great but you don’t have to...
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Post by constonks on Mar 1, 2019 21:00:09 GMT
Quick question for anyone with knowledge of the VNAs/VMAs - I'm starting to dip my toe into the novels (finally!), but I wondered if there was any point in getting the novels that BF have already adapted - is there much difference between the audios and the original novels? I know Damaged Goods has some differences to cut out the more plot-heavy points from the book, and the novel of Love and War expands the relationship between Ace and Jan more, but would I really be missing out much if I didn't bother reading them? Out of the ones I've both read and listened to - Nightshade, Love and War and The Highest Science - I'd say all three are better in novel form, especially Nightshade.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 22:06:22 GMT
Quick question for anyone with knowledge of the VNAs/VMAs - I'm starting to dip my toe into the novels (finally!), but I wondered if there was any point in getting the novels that BF have already adapted - is there much difference between the audios and the original novels? I know Damaged Goods has some differences to cut out the more plot-heavy points from the book, and the novel of Love and War expands the relationship between Ace and Jan more, but would I really be missing out much if I didn't bother reading them? They're definitely worth the look as a bridging point. The road to Original Sin, for instance, focusses on the Doctor's attempts to reconnect with his humanity and Benny discovering that travelling in the TARDIS is starting to take its toll. It's a trilogy -- between Sanctuary, Human Nature and Original Sin -- but based more in a character, than narrative. The novel follows on from that more explicitly than the adaptation does, so there's more of a catharsis in that sense.
The aforementioned Nightshade is a really good jumping on point for the NAs in general. In many ways, it's about saying goodbye to the television series and hello to the first-half of the Wilderness Years.
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Post by newt5996 on Mar 1, 2019 22:15:03 GMT
Quick question for anyone with knowledge of the VNAs/VMAs - I'm starting to dip my toe into the novels (finally!), but I wondered if there was any point in getting the novels that BF have already adapted - is there much difference between the audios and the original novels? I know Damaged Goods has some differences to cut out the more plot-heavy points from the book, and the novel of Love and War expands the relationship between Ace and Jan more, but would I really be missing out much if I didn't bother reading them? They're definitely worth the look as a bridging point. The road to Original Sin, for instance, focusses on the Doctor's attempts to reconnect with his humanity and Benny discovering that travelling in the TARDIS is starting to take its toll. It's a trilogy -- between Sanctuary, Human Nature and Original Sin -- but based more in a character, than narrative. The novel follows on from that more explicitly than the adaptation does, so there's more of a catharsis in that sense.
The aforementioned Nightshade is a really good jumping on point for the NAs in general. In many ways, it's about saying goodbye to the television series and hello to the first-half of the Wilderness Years.
I’d include Set Piece in the tetralogy with Original Sin, and while Nightshade is a good jumping on point I say start at the beginning.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 22:28:50 GMT
They're definitely worth the look as a bridging point. The road to Original Sin, for instance, focusses on the Doctor's attempts to reconnect with his humanity and Benny discovering that travelling in the TARDIS is starting to take its toll. It's a trilogy -- between Sanctuary, Human Nature and Original Sin -- but based more in a character, than narrative. The novel follows on from that more explicitly than the adaptation does, so there's more of a catharsis in that sense.
The aforementioned Nightshade is a really good jumping on point for the NAs in general. In many ways, it's about saying goodbye to the television series and hello to the first-half of the Wilderness Years.
I’d include Set Piece in the tetralogy with Original Sin, and while Nightshade is a good jumping on point I say start at the beginning. Yeah, that's fair. A sound tetralogy of stories. I'm just thinking first impressions... Does Timewyrm: Exodus make sense without Genesys?
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Post by newt5996 on Mar 1, 2019 22:44:03 GMT
I’d include Set Piece in the tetralogy with Original Sin, and while Nightshade is a good jumping on point I say start at the beginning. Yeah, that's fair. A sound tetralogy of stories. I'm just thinking first impressions... Does Timewyrm: Exodus make sense without Genesys? I’d say so, but there’s always ways around genesys.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 0:44:08 GMT
Yeah, that's fair. A sound tetralogy of stories. I'm just thinking first impressions... Does Timewyrm: Exodus make sense without Genesys? I’d say so, but there’s always ways around genesys. True. If you're starting at the beginning, I'd vote to start with Exodus. Dicks has a very strong hold on the Seventh Doctor (circa Season 26) and the Prologue looks to tackle what you need to know from Genesys. It's another one of the Doctor's ongoing gambits, like Shoreditch, Nemesis or his showdown with Fenric.
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Post by newt5996 on Mar 12, 2019 21:28:17 GMT
Spent the day reading the much maligned War of the Daleks. It’s not the worst book I’ve read from Peel. Sam is sort of just there but there are some nice ideas throughout and the Daleks are portrayed well. Maybe a 4 or 5/10
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Mar 13, 2019 14:20:40 GMT
Spent the day reading the much maligned War of the Daleks. It’s not the worst book I’ve read from Peel. Sam is sort of just there but there are some nice ideas throughout and the Daleks are portrayed well. Maybe a 4 or 5/10 Yeah i actually enjoyed it. And its easier to re-retcon back into continuity lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 23:07:19 GMT
Spent the day reading the much maligned War of the Daleks. It’s not the worst book I’ve read from Peel. Sam is sort of just there but there are some nice ideas throughout and the Daleks are portrayed well. Maybe a 4 or 5/10 Yeah i actually enjoyed it. And its easier to re-retcon back into continuity lol I am all for the theory that the Dalek Prime lying his bumps off about Antalin. It feels strangely appropriate that the Daleks would try to revise their own history to suit the current regime. Dalek propaganda, with the Doctor there as scapegoat for anything that goes awry.
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Post by newt5996 on Mar 13, 2019 23:45:40 GMT
Yeah i actually enjoyed it. And its easier to re-retcon back into continuity lol I am all for the theory that the Dalek Prime lying his bumps off about Antalin. It feels strangely appropriate that the Daleks would try to revise their own history to suit the current regime. Dalek propaganda, with the Doctor there as scapegoat for anything that goes awry.
That could work, possibly. I also think the book suffers from Sam and the Doctor outside of the first chapter, really aren't characterized very well. It's a problem most with Sam considering as companion, she's been lacking.
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Post by constonks on Mar 14, 2019 1:18:19 GMT
Yeah i actually enjoyed it. And its easier to re-retcon back into continuity lol I am all for the theory that the Dalek Prime lying his bumps off about Antalin. It feels strangely appropriate that the Daleks would try to revise their own history to suit the current regime. Dalek propaganda, with the Doctor there as scapegoat for anything that goes awry.
That's roughly the idea I had upon reading it too. The Doctor goes back to the TARDIS, shaken that he destroyed the wrong planet, then does the calculations, checks the star charts and laughs at himself for being taken in by such a brazen lie. But if you want to get more time meddly with it, the gambit was successful and Skaro was saved... until the Eighth Doctor caught the Dalek Supreme in a time loop in The Four Doctors and essentially erased his impact on history. The lie is much cleaner, though. EDIT: Another neat thing about it being a lie - it allows us to fix John Peel's error where he called another planet Antalin in the same book - the Dalek Supreme with his typical Dalek lack of creativity stole the name from a pre-existing world!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 3:40:50 GMT
I am all for the theory that the Dalek Prime lying his bumps off about Antalin. It feels strangely appropriate that the Daleks would try to revise their own history to suit the current regime. Dalek propaganda, with the Doctor there as scapegoat for anything that goes awry.
That's roughly the idea I had upon reading it too. The Doctor goes back to the TARDIS, shaken that he destroyed the wrong planet, then does the calculations, checks the star charts and laughs at himself for being taken in by such a brazen lie. But if you want to get more time meddly with it, the gambit was successful and Skaro was saved... until the Eighth Doctor caught the Dalek Supreme in a time loop in The Four Doctors and essentially erased his impact on history. The lie is much cleaner, though. EDIT: Another neat thing about it being a lie - it allows us to fix John Peel's error where he called another planet Antalin in the same book - the Dalek Supreme with his typical Dalek lack of creativity stole the name from a pre-existing world! It also opens a rather interesting doorway regarding the Daleks and Skaro. Come with me on this journey, guys: With their forces decimated by the Movellan virus, the Daleks find themselves scattered out across the universe. Splinter cells and isolated factions that cling to life under heavy quarantine on outpost worlds. Skaro itself does the same, enduring an isolation that it has not seen since the Thousand Year War. One of these far-flung factions makes the decision to recover Davros from his prison in Resurrection. An expert taskforce staffed by drones and mercenaries is dispatched, but destroyed due to the Doctor's efforts. But another group, the Imperials we'll see from Revelation to Remembrance, are alerted and capture their creator on Necros.
These are annihilated by the Hand of Omega, along with the historical Skaro. The mainbrace of the Imperial hierarchy, the Supreme Council, perhaps even the Emperor himself -- gone. But... Those other splinter blocs are still out there. Scattered throughout time, operating like old soldiers in the post-40s Pacific jungles. One of these factions (perhaps those from Resurrection) hears of Skaro's destruction, the information kept to the highest level and the messengers destroyed for posterity. They hatch a plan. By faking Antalin as the true ancestral home, they'll have what no other faction possesses -- the supremacy represented by the conquest of Skaro. While they're at it, they can revise past defeats into carefully calculated victories, old enemies transformed into unwitting allies.
With the true Skaro gone and the core of the Imperial Daleks hollowed out, there'll be no one to question it. They'll be the true Daleks.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Mar 14, 2019 13:53:18 GMT
That's roughly the idea I had upon reading it too. The Doctor goes back to the TARDIS, shaken that he destroyed the wrong planet, then does the calculations, checks the star charts and laughs at himself for being taken in by such a brazen lie. But if you want to get more time meddly with it, the gambit was successful and Skaro was saved... until the Eighth Doctor caught the Dalek Supreme in a time loop in The Four Doctors and essentially erased his impact on history. The lie is much cleaner, though. EDIT: Another neat thing about it being a lie - it allows us to fix John Peel's error where he called another planet Antalin in the same book - the Dalek Supreme with his typical Dalek lack of creativity stole the name from a pre-existing world! It also opens a rather interesting doorway regarding the Daleks and Skaro. Come with me on this journey, guys: With their forces decimated by the Movellan virus, the Daleks find themselves scattered out across the universe. Splinter cells and isolated factions that cling to life under heavy quarantine on outpost worlds. Skaro itself does the same, enduring an isolation that it has not seen since the Thousand Year War. One of these far-flung factions makes the decision to recover Davros from his prison in Resurrection. An expert taskforce staffed by drones and mercenaries is dispatched, but destroyed due to the Doctor's efforts. But another group, the Imperials we'll see from Revelation to Remembrance, are alerted and capture their creator on Necros.
These are annihilated by the Hand of Omega, along with the historical Skaro. The mainbrace of the Imperial hierarchy, the Supreme Council, perhaps even the Emperor himself -- gone. But... Those other splinter blocs are still out there. Scattered throughout time, operating like old soldiers in the post-40s Pacific jungles. One of these factions (perhaps those from Resurrection) hears of Skaro's destruction, the information kept to the highest level and the messengers destroyed for posterity. They hatch a plan. By faking Antalin as the true ancestral home, they'll have what no other faction possesses -- the supremacy represented by the conquest of Skaro. While they're at it, they can revise past defeats into carefully calculated victories, old enemies transformed into unwitting allies.
With the true Skaro gone and the core of the Imperial Daleks hollowed out, there'll be no one to question it. They'll be the true Daleks.
CANON! CANON!
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Post by constonks on Mar 27, 2019 3:23:24 GMT
Finished the novelisation of Rose and loved it! A wonderful expansion, with lots of wonderful links to the classic series (and of course, several stories that came after Rose as well). Rose and Mickey are both richer characters - even Jackie Tyler has a redeeming moment at the end! And the mythology of the Nestene is so much more fascinating.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Apr 25, 2019 13:30:38 GMT
MA Sorceror's Apprentice.
Bulis never produces classics, but when he is on form he produces good, solid enjoyable DW stories. Wonder why he never wrote for BF ...
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Post by timegirl on May 9, 2019 18:28:18 GMT
Listening to the audiobook of Doctor Who and the Krikkitmen😀Very Hitchicker’s Guidey😊
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Post by tuigirl on May 9, 2019 20:06:30 GMT
Listening to the audiobook of Doctor Who and the Krikkitmen😀Very Hitchicker’s Guidey😊 I also got this and it is on my iTunes backlog... How is Dan Starkey in performing for 4? I really enjoyed him in the 12th Doctor audiobooks, this is why I got this one...
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Post by timegirl on May 9, 2019 20:21:47 GMT
He’s very convincing as Four😀 He definitely has all his turns of phrase down😊 He also does well doing K9’s voice every time he appears! What 12 book did he narrate?
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