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Post by newt5996 on Oct 11, 2019 19:32:23 GMT
Continuing the BBC Books readthrough for the EDAs and PDAs with The Infinity Doctors, starting today. Expecting a lot from this because Lance Parkin is such a good writer.
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Post by constonks on Oct 12, 2019 3:57:08 GMT
Continuing the BBC Books readthrough for the EDAs and PDAs with The Infinity Doctors, starting today. Expecting a lot from this because Lance Parkin is such a good writer. You love Lungbarrow, so you'll have a good time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 4:15:56 GMT
Continuing the BBC Books readthrough for the EDAs and PDAs with The Infinity Doctors, starting today. Expecting a lot from this because Lance Parkin is such a good writer. You love Lungbarrow, so you'll have a good time. There's something to be said for a book that manages to take every, single different depiction of Gallifrey (television, audio, comic, et al.) and meld it together into a cohesive whole. It's a great Writer's Bible in that regard. Who do we think is the Doctor here? My money is on: {Spoiler}An Eighth Doctor just after The Gallifrey Chronicles that's been keeping an eye on his new-old homeworld to make sure everything's run in. I tend to think of it as the final Classic Series story before we move into the more NuWho-inspired McGann tales from Blood of the Daleks onwards. For m'self, Blue Box, at the moment. Almost entirely by accident. I picked it up and before I realised it, I was about a third of the way through. A fun book about the computer subculture of the 1980s, as seen through the eyes of War Games-style hackers and phone phreaks. It effortlessly captures the plastic sheen of the decade's American imports like Knight Rider and Miami Vice, so stylistically it makes for an unusual read. When the Doctor pops into the scene, acting counter to what someone would expect from those shows, it really hammers home just how alien he feels in this environment. It's a nice touch.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Oct 12, 2019 4:24:44 GMT
"Dr. Thirteenth" (originated by Roger Hargreaves) with my lil boy.
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Post by constonks on Oct 12, 2019 4:58:05 GMT
Who do we think is the Doctor here? My money is on: {Spoiler}An Eighth Doctor just after The Gallifrey Chronicles that's been keeping an eye on his new-old homeworld to make sure everything's run in. I tend to think of it as the final Classic Series story before we move into the more NuWho-inspired McGann tales from Blood of the Daleks onwards. To me, it seems like... McGann settled in on an earlier Gallifrey - hence the presence of the Magistrate, Hedin, etc. What if the Eighth Doctor went back to the day the First left, as if he had never been away? The Master certainly wouldn't have left the same day! But as to how that fits with everything else, well, that's a whole different kettle of fish.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 5:17:26 GMT
Who do we think is the Doctor here? My money is on: {Spoiler}An Eighth Doctor just after The Gallifrey Chronicles that's been keeping an eye on his new-old homeworld to make sure everything's run in. I tend to think of it as the final Classic Series story before we move into the more NuWho-inspired McGann tales from Blood of the Daleks onwards. To me, it seems like... McGann settled in on an earlier Gallifrey - hence the presence of the Magistrate, Hedin, etc. What if the Eighth Doctor went back to the day the First left, as if he had never been away? The Master certainly wouldn't have left the same day! But as to how that fits with everything else, well, that's a whole different kettle of fish. Ohh, now that's an interesting idea. The tricky thing about the whole story is that it's worldbuilding is deeply intricate, but... ...the temporal rug keeps getting pulled out from beneath the reader. When the Doctor and Larna reach the Needle, Savar tells them that he encountered evidence of preexisting timelines rewritten. Not parallel, but forced over the top of our prime continuity. The past's likely been changed before the book begins, but I got the impression reading Infinity that it was being changed as the story was being told. Not in causal terms, but the fine details. It would explain why they often contradict one another.
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Post by constonks on Oct 12, 2019 5:23:42 GMT
To me, it seems like... McGann settled in on an earlier Gallifrey - hence the presence of the Magistrate, Hedin, etc. What if the Eighth Doctor went back to the day the First left, as if he had never been away? The Master certainly wouldn't have left the same day! But as to how that fits with everything else, well, that's a whole different kettle of fish. Ohh, now that's an interesting idea. The tricky thing about the whole story is that it's worldbuilding is deeply intricate, but... ...the temporal rug keeps getting pulled out from beneath the reader. When the Doctor and Larna reach the Needle, Savar tells them that he encountered evidence of preexisting timelines rewritten. Not parallel, but forced over the top of our prime continuity. The past's likely been changed before the book begins, but I got the impression reading Infinity that it was being changed as the story was being told. Not in causal terms, but the fine details. It would explain why they often contradict one another. The thing is... it's a PAST Doctor Adventure, isn't it? So, it's totally possible this is an Eighth Doctor from a timeline "before" the one we're used to watching/hearing/reading about. (And you mentioned palimpsest time in this thread already, back on the first page when I was reading Infinity!) Also, of note, the TARDIS Wiki seems to have combined the pages of The Magistrate and The War King at some point, which is interesting. Haven't read enough Faction Paradox - or deep enough into the EDAs to have a very firm opinion on that though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 5:47:47 GMT
Ohh, now that's an interesting idea. The tricky thing about the whole story is that it's worldbuilding is deeply intricate, but... ...the temporal rug keeps getting pulled out from beneath the reader. When the Doctor and Larna reach the Needle, Savar tells them that he encountered evidence of preexisting timelines rewritten. Not parallel, but forced over the top of our prime continuity. The past's likely been changed before the book begins, but I got the impression reading Infinity that it was being changed as the story was being told. Not in causal terms, but the fine details. It would explain why they often contradict one another. The thing is... it's a PAST Doctor Adventure, isn't it? So, it's totally possible this is an Eighth Doctor from a timeline "before" the one we're used to watching/hearing/reading about. (And you mentioned palimpsest time in this thread already, back on the first page when I was reading Infinity!) Also, of note, the TARDIS Wiki seems to have combined the pages of The Magistrate and The War King at some point, which is interesting. Haven't read enough Faction Paradox - or deep enough into the EDAs to have a very firm opinion on that though. Oh, yes! I have this vague memory of Lance Parkin calling The Infinity Doctors a "What if Virgin Publishing had continued past The Dying Days?", but I'd take that with a grain of salt as I can't remember where I heard that. (Might've been his blog?) Yeah... I can see the connection there. Philip Madoc's Master is a wily old chap. Methodical. He makes for a good statesman, up against some pretty stiff competition in the form of a malevolent TARDIS (possibly infected by the Yssgaroth?), but there's a sense of weariness about him. He's chosen his old body quite deliberately. I can see the Magistrate being a few centuries (or possibly millennia) younger, still climbing up that ladder despite his change of hearts (old habits), and eventually ending up as the new President. The toll of leading the War really starts to show towards its "latter half".
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Oct 12, 2019 8:15:10 GMT
Four of the Doctor Who Virgin New Adventures Time's Crucible, WarHead (don't know why they labelled it as part of the Cat's Cradle trilogy), Witch's Mark & Nightshade Three of those are great, no prize for which one isn't. Take it you didn't quite like Warhead either? lol
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Post by newt5996 on Oct 12, 2019 17:16:42 GMT
You love Lungbarrow, so you'll have a good time. There's something to be said for a book that manages to take every, single different depiction of Gallifrey (television, audio, comic, et al.) and meld it together into a cohesive whole. It's a great Writer's Bible in that regard. Who do we think is the Doctor here? My money is on: {Spoiler}An Eighth Doctor just after The Gallifrey Chronicles that's been keeping an eye on his new-old homeworld to make sure everything's run in. I tend to think of it as the final Classic Series story before we move into the more NuWho-inspired McGann tales from Blood of the Daleks onwards. For m'self, Blue Box, at the moment. Almost entirely by accident. I picked it up and before I realised it, I was about a third of the way through. A fun book about the computer subculture of the 1980s, as seen through the eyes of War Games-style hackers and phone phreaks. It effortlessly captures the plastic sheen of the decade's American imports like Knight Rider and Miami Vice, so stylistically it makes for an unusual read. When the Doctor pops into the scene, acting counter to what someone would expect from those shows, it really hammers home just how alien he feels in this environment. It's a nice touch. Right so I didn't read your spoiler just because I'm only 100 pages in (give it a day and I'll finish, Parkin's just too good to put down!) but I think it might be either 8 post-EDAs or possibly a really early version of 8. I've heard theories that it's a younger 1, but I don't really feel like it's the First Doctor.
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Post by stcoop on Oct 12, 2019 17:28:00 GMT
I see there are two new (unnamed) Target novelisations listed on Amazon for next June. Reprints of old books or more New Series adaptations?
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Oct 12, 2019 19:18:02 GMT
Ecclestone's autobiography.
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Post by newt5996 on Oct 14, 2019 1:20:05 GMT
Rereading John Peel's Evolution today which oddly enough is a really good story, considering Peel's track record with novels. It seems that when he's allowed to write for characters he knows and cares for he can turn out a decent story.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Oct 14, 2019 8:19:57 GMT
Ecclestone's autobiography. About a third of the way though and this is a really powerful, affecting book. Not at all like a conventional actor's autobiography or what I was expecting at all. Instead it is very thought provoking.
Ecclestone does come across as having a bit of chip on his shoulder about being northern and working class, but it is the impact of his father on him that makes me think the most, specifically in terms of how I, as a father, affect my 6 and 8 year old children. Do I mean as much to them as Ecclestone's father meant to him? I had never really though about this before to this extent, and it is a tremendous responsibility when you think about it. More so even than the more obvious and overt responsibilities of material provision, etc.
As I say, very thought provoking.
Well worth a read
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Post by ljwilson on Nov 11, 2019 20:22:02 GMT
I've picked up the 2011 reprint (I think) of 'Doctor Who and the Auton Invasion' and it is a lovely little book.
How many others were reprinted? I've counted...
And the crusades And the daleks And the cybermen And the cave monsters.
Any others?
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Post by constonks on Nov 12, 2019 2:55:40 GMT
I've picked up the 2011 reprint (I think) of 'Doctor Who and the Auton Invasion' and it is a lovely little book. How many others were reprinted? I've counted... And the crusades And the daleks And the cybermen And the cave monsters. Any others? A whopping 20 Target novelisations have been reprinted since 2011: tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Target_Books#BBC_Books_reprintsThere are also hardcover reprints of Daleks, Zarbi and Crusaders - I've got the Zarbi one myself! I see there are two new (unnamed) Target novelisations listed on Amazon for next June. Reprints of old books or more New Series adaptations? Have the inevitable Target versions of Resurrection and Revelation been announced yet?
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Post by ljwilson on Nov 12, 2019 16:03:56 GMT
I've picked up the 2011 reprint (I think) of 'Doctor Who and the Auton Invasion' and it is a lovely little book. How many others were reprinted? I've counted... And the crusades And the daleks And the cybermen And the cave monsters. Any others? A whopping 20 Target novelisations have been reprinted since 2011: tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Target_Books#BBC_Books_reprintsThere are also hardcover reprints of Daleks, Zarbi and Crusaders - I've got the Zarbi one myself! I see there are two new (unnamed) Target novelisations listed on Amazon for next June. Reprints of old books or more New Series adaptations? Have the inevitable Target versions of Resurrection and Revelation been announced yet? Thanks constonks, will put some on my Christmas list.
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Post by mark687 on Nov 12, 2019 21:11:45 GMT
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Post by ljwilson on Nov 19, 2019 18:49:45 GMT
Following on from my recent enquiry above, I'm part way through '..and the Auton Invasion' which is very enjoyable indeed.
I think I'll get Yeti, Cave Monsters and the Loch Ness Monster via my Christmas list.
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Post by newt5996 on Nov 19, 2019 21:49:28 GMT
For the first time in a while I'm doing two books at once. First the EDA Demontage which takes place in a space casino and while hasn't grabbed me like some books, it does show Justin Richards' ability to make even the worst companions likable (cough Sam Jones cough). I've also really liked Fitz in the two books I've read with him in. Second, Bookwyrm: An Unauthorized & Unconventional Guide to the Doctor Who Novels, a reference work published this year looking at the VNAs aka my favorite era of Doctor Who.
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