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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 11:42:41 GMT
Class didn't pick up an audience because it was very poor. And that is putting it mildly. It wasn't 'treated badly' by the BBC at all. I hugely disagree. I loved Class, and was pretty annoyed that the BBC treated it like something they just wanted to get out of the way quickly. You might have been more the target audience of Class than some of us here - it definitely wasn't aimed at me or my generation - but of the episodes I did get to watch I thought it was awful. So Class audios wouldn't appeal to me. It is good that you liked it though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 11:47:00 GMT
No it wasn't. BBC3 seemed like a perfect fit for its target audience. BBC3 Online was a terrible idea full stop. Nobody was ever going to use a BBC online channel when Netflix and Amazon Prime got there first. BBC1+1 would have been a better use of license fee money. BBC1+1?!? Well that would be BBC2! Anyway, BBC3 online is available on iPlayer which is standard on a lot of smart tvs as well as available on Freeview, Sky, Virginmedia etc. Being able to access its content whenever you want rather than stick to a live schedule seems to be a good move especially for its target audience. I for one watch very little live tv & do watch some of BBC3's content via the iplayer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 11:48:22 GMT
Class didn't pick up an audience because it was very poor. And that is putting it mildly. It wasn't 'treated badly' by the BBC at all. SJA would be pointless without Elizabeth Sladen, with whom Big Finish were very close. For all the online people who apparently want BF to continue with SJA, there are a whole lot more who respect BF's decision. I hugely disagree. I loved Class, and was pretty annoyed that the BBC treated it like something they just wanted to get out of the way quickly. But they didn't. They broadcast it on a channel watched by the target audience that Class was made for.
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Post by aztec on Jan 3, 2018 11:52:40 GMT
It's not like people are asking for any more than just one box set though. I find it really odd that BF are open to Class audios but not Sarah Jane Adventures ones, when SJA was hugely popular and Class flopped due to poor treatment by the BBC. But no one is asking for an SJA box set (apart from you). There's practically no one asking for a Class one either. With properties such as these, unless there is an overwhelming demand, Big Finish would be crazy to supply a product that isn't going to sell well enough to be worth it. I never bothered watching Class so I can't speak for its quality or popularity, buy oddly Class audios strike me as more likely and interesting than SJA ones would be, BF could use some of the characters/setting/basic plot threads from Class as a template to semi-reboot the series and expand on it, SJA already had lots of stories and without the leading lady (an actress BF worked with several times before, whose sad passing only a few years ago likely hit many of the BF family very hard) involved I'm not really sure what the point would be, the young actors would have aged quite a bit since the series ended and might not be able to recapture the voices, and I'm not really convinced the young target audience/tone of the SJA would translate to or find a big audience in audio dramas...
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Jan 3, 2018 12:04:23 GMT
If Big Finish were to release a box set of SJA Audios, I would certainly buy it, however I don’t particularly see the point of going down that road without the leading Lady. Of course there’s the argument that they did the CCs for the first 4 Doctors, but the difference was that BF had a lot that they could expand on with those characters, and their story had been told already, so it was okay to add in a bit more content, even if it wasn’t without the original Doctor actor. On the other hand, due to the nature of how SJA ended, I just don’t think it has a place for further content anymore, it ended years ago and the leading lady is sadly no longer with us. SJA has ended, it got its closure and to drag it back out for more stories would be more of a cash grab than anything, they can’t do much more with the series because they can expand it past Series 5, what’s the point when you’ve got no Sarah Jane? And while there’s always scope to tell stories about every Doctor, as the show is very much alive, there’s no real need to tell more stories with the SJA gang and it simply wouldn’t be the same.
That said, I would like to see certain characters from the series crop up in Big Finish somehow. I think that SJA is over and done and I’m not sure if they should bring it back in any kind of prominent format except maybe a one off Short Trip or something, or even a narrated adaptation of the Series 5 scripts. However I would lIke to see what happens to characters like Rani and Clyde after Sarah Jane, and there could be potential for story telling with those characters, separate from the SJA branding.
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Post by lidar2 on Jan 3, 2018 12:38:50 GMT
If BF were to do anything Sarah Jane related I'd much prefer a resolution to the cliffhanger ending of BF's own Sarah Jane series, rather than more SJA.
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Post by coffeeaddict on Jan 3, 2018 13:20:19 GMT
I have no interest in audios based on SJA and even less interest in a series based on Class. I’ve only watched two episodes of either show. SJA seemed decent, but ultimately not a show that spoke to me at my age. As for Class - I watched the first two episodes and they were brutal. In all honesty I was shocked it took so long for the show to get the axe.
That said, judging by the commentary here -neither would seem to be products which are even mildly in demand among our membership. I can honestly say I’ve yet to run across anyone is asking for audio’s of either. Perhaps there is more demand in the U.K., but nobody I know across the pond has ever mentioned a desire to have those shows brought back in any format.
Personally I highly doubt there would be enough profit in either for BF to take the risk.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 3, 2018 13:29:06 GMT
The BBC invested time and money in its creation, promoted it and broadcast it. They can't force people to watch if they think it's rubbish. Advertising was sparse, and adverts failed to make it clear that it's a Doctor Who spin-off. Nobody was ever going to watch it after the terrible promotion it got.
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Post by barnabaslives on Jan 3, 2018 15:16:02 GMT
One never knows, I'm sort of surprised for there to be enough interest to float the Doctor's Daughter and New Earth ranges, so maybe there could be sufficient interest in SJA or Class for all I know? I also don't doubt that Big Finish could make something worthwhile and appealing out of Class if it isn't already. They could even mash the two up and have Luke teaching at Coal Hill for all I care, I'd probably give it a try - but all the same, I can certainly understand if Big Finish already has their hands pretty full, so I'm really not getting my hopes up.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 3, 2018 16:19:28 GMT
BBC3 Online was a terrible idea full stop. Nobody was ever going to use a BBC online channel when Netflix and Amazon Prime got there first. BBC1+1 would have been a better use of license fee money. BBC1+1?!? Well that would be BBC2! Anyway, BBC3 online is available on iPlayer which is standard on a lot of smart tvs as well as available on Freeview, Sky, Virginmedia etc. Being able to access its content whenever you want rather than stick to a live schedule seems to be a good move especially for its target audience. I for one watch very little live tv & do watch some of BBC3's content via the iplayer. BBC1+1 would have been BBC1 shows an hour later, but for some reason the BBC Trust decided it would provide too much competition for the other channels...despite the fact that a few channels have a +1 channel now. Even Dave has one! I honestly don't know why the BBC didn't just appeal that decision and forget about BBC3 Online.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 3, 2018 16:21:32 GMT
I hugely disagree. I loved Class, and was pretty annoyed that the BBC treated it like something they just wanted to get out of the way quickly. But they didn't. They broadcast it on a channel watched by the target audience that Class was made for. A channel which the target audience don't watch anyway, as they tend to opt for Netflix or Amazon Prime anyway. It was pretty obvious that would be the case. The BBC3 Online channel creation was a baffling decision.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 3, 2018 16:24:41 GMT
But no one is asking for an SJA box set (apart from you). There's practically no one asking for a Class one either. With properties such as these, unless there is an overwhelming demand, Big Finish would be crazy to supply a product that isn't going to sell well enough to be worth it. I never bothered watching Class so I can't speak for its quality or popularity, buy oddly Class audios strike me as more likely and interesting than SJA ones would be, BF could use some of the characters/setting/basic plot threads from Class as a template to semi-reboot the series and expand on it, SJA already had lots of stories and without the leading lady (an actress BF worked with several times before, whose sad passing only a few years ago likely hit many of the BF family very hard) involved I'm not really sure what the point would be, the young actors would have aged quite a bit since the series ended and might not be able to recapture the voices, and I'm not really convinced the young target audience/tone of the SJA would translate to or find a big audience in audio dramas... The point would be to pay tribute to Elisabeth Sladen, surely? If they don't want to do it because they wouldn't be able to use Elisabeth Sladen due to her tragic passing surely a release akin to Jago & Litefoot Forever with Elisabeth Sladen archive audio would be possible?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 3, 2018 16:26:54 GMT
If BF were to do anything Sarah Jane related I'd much prefer a resolution to the cliffhanger ending of BF's own Sarah Jane series, rather than more SJA. Why not both? You could put the Bannerman Road Gang in the climatic story, and make it Sarah Jane's Jago & Litefoot Forever.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 17:07:20 GMT
But they didn't. They broadcast it on a channel watched by the target audience that Class was made for. A channel which the target audience don't watch anyway, as they tend to opt for Netflix or Amazon Prime anyway. It was pretty obvious that would be the case. The BBC3 Online channel creation was a baffling decision. No it wasn't. Do you have any evidence for the fact people don't watch it? Class was advertised on the BBC so the target audience were told about it & where they could watch it. Having a channel only available online/iplayer seems OK to me. As I said I watch some content, probably more than I did when it was a traditional terrestrial channel.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 3, 2018 17:12:01 GMT
A channel which the target audience don't watch anyway, as they tend to opt for Netflix or Amazon Prime anyway. It was pretty obvious that would be the case. The BBC3 Online channel creation was a baffling decision. No it wasn't. Do you have any evidence for the fact people don't watch it? Class was advertised on the BBC so the target audience were told about it & where they could watch it. Having a channel only available online/iplayer seems OK to me. As I said I watch some content, probably more than I did when it was a traditional terrestrial channel. The BBC3 Online shows get considerably less viewers than BBC1 or 2, or practically any channel on TV that's not a BBC, ITV or a Channel 4 or 5 channel. They barely even make a footprint. I could go on forever on how BBC3 Online was a complete waste of the license fee, and how BBC1+1 would have been of much bigger benefit to the average viewer. I mean, seriously: what were they thinking going for BBC3 Online over BBC1+1? What were the BBC Trust even going on about with their nonsense claim that it would provide too much competition for the other channels? If anything, it would provide less because if it's a choice between a BBC show or an ITV Show as-scheduled you're more likely to opt for BBC due to the lack of a plus one channel.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 17:21:01 GMT
No it wasn't. Do you have any evidence for the fact people don't watch it? Class was advertised on the BBC so the target audience were told about it & where they could watch it. Having a channel only available online/iplayer seems OK to me. As I said I watch some content, probably more than I did when it was a traditional terrestrial channel. The BBC3 Online shows get considerably less viewers than BBC1 or 2, or practically any channel on TV that's not a BBC, ITV or a Channel 4 or 5 channel. They barely even make a footprint. I could go on forever on how BBC3 Online was a complete waste of the license fee, and how BBC1+1 would have been of much bigger benefit to the average viewer. I mean, seriously: what were they thinking going for BBC3 Online over BBC1+1? What were the BBC Trust even going on about with their nonsense claim that it would provide too much competition for the other channels? If anything, it would provide less because if it's a choice between a BBC show or an ITV Show as-scheduled you're more likely to opt for BBC due to the lack of a plus one channel. Of course a non-terrestrial channel gets less viewers than a terrestrial one! The idea of a plus 1 channel is redundant with iplayer features which are available to most people on modern tvs etc when you can go to the start of a show any time during its broadcast or choose to watch it after broadcast.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 3, 2018 17:27:05 GMT
The BBC3 Online shows get considerably less viewers than BBC1 or 2, or practically any channel on TV that's not a BBC, ITV or a Channel 4 or 5 channel. They barely even make a footprint. I could go on forever on how BBC3 Online was a complete waste of the license fee, and how BBC1+1 would have been of much bigger benefit to the average viewer. I mean, seriously: what were they thinking going for BBC3 Online over BBC1+1? What were the BBC Trust even going on about with their nonsense claim that it would provide too much competition for the other channels? If anything, it would provide less because if it's a choice between a BBC show or an ITV Show as-scheduled you're more likely to opt for BBC due to the lack of a plus one channel. Of course a non-terrestrial channel gets less viewers than a terrestrial one! The idea of a plus 1 channel is redundant with iplayer features which are available to most people on modern tvs etc when you can go to the start of a show any time during its broadcast or choose to watch it after broadcast. It's not redundant at all. iPlayer relies on a good internet connection to avoid buffering and if you lose that you can't use it as a plus one service. Some of us also prefer to watch TV broadcast through an aerial rather than over the internet, and some people can't even operate iPlayer! You may be tech-savvy, I may be tech-savvy but not everyone is. BBC1+1 would be useful in those scenarios. It's kind of ridiculous that other channels have had plus one channels for years yet the BBC according to the BBC Trust's decision are not allowed to launch one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 17:35:26 GMT
Of course a non-terrestrial channel gets less viewers than a terrestrial one! The idea of a plus 1 channel is redundant with iplayer features which are available to most people on modern tvs etc when you can go to the start of a show any time during its broadcast or choose to watch it after broadcast. It's not redundant at all. iPlayer relies on a good internet connection to avoid buffering and if you lose that you can't use it as a plus one service. Some of us also prefer to watch TV broadcast through an aerial rather than over the internet, and some people can't even operate iPlayer! You may be tech-savvy, I may be tech-savvy but not everyone is. BBC1+1 would be useful in those scenarios. It's kind of ridiculous that other channels have had plus one channels for years yet the BBC according to the BBC Trust's decision are not allowed to launch one. Sorry no people have to catch up with tech.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 3, 2018 17:45:09 GMT
It's not redundant at all. iPlayer relies on a good internet connection to avoid buffering and if you lose that you can't use it as a plus one service. Some of us also prefer to watch TV broadcast through an aerial rather than over the internet, and some people can't even operate iPlayer! You may be tech-savvy, I may be tech-savvy but not everyone is. BBC1+1 would be useful in those scenarios. It's kind of ridiculous that other channels have had plus one channels for years yet the BBC according to the BBC Trust's decision are not allowed to launch one. Sorry no people have to catch up with tech. If your internet is down you can't use technology that relies on the internet! That's why I really hope the future isn't steaming: it's too reliant on your broadband to be working sufficiently in order to watch stuff.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Jan 3, 2018 17:52:53 GMT
I reckon they could do a "Class" episode, or a SJA episode, in a "UNIT" box set; that could work as a pilot for a series of their own.
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