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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 10:17:07 GMT
I think that would make some sense - they're hiding at the end of time but they're still the same pompous self-important know-it-alls they've always been. So while I'm sure they're dying to interfere and manage the cosmos again, they'd need an agent to do that... Ollistra would be a great character to bring across from Big Finish to do that. I don't think it would be too hard to introduce her in a way that doesn't require you to have listened to Big Finish. They can't use her, sadly, DB. The BBC isn't allowed to advertise non-TV material as part of their charter.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 14, 2018 10:19:21 GMT
Ollistra would be a great character to bring across from Big Finish to do that. I don't think it would be too hard to introduce her in a way that doesn't require you to have listened to Big Finish. They can't use her, sadly, DB. The BBC isn't allowed to advertise non-TV material as part of their charter. Technically Kate Stewart is non-TV. They could say it's a completely new character who happens to share Ollistra's name.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 10:27:47 GMT
They can't use her, sadly, DB. The BBC isn't allowed to advertise non-TV material as part of their charter. Technically Kate Stewart is non-TV. They could say it's a completely new character who happens to share Ollistra's name. True, but technically a character called Kate Stewart belongs to an out-of-print series of novels and fan film, so it's not as if it's exactly 'current'. Chris Chibnall, however wasn't aware of Downtime Kate when creating the character of Kate Stewart for The Power of The Three, so technically there not one and the same, however much fans like to link them up. On the otherhand, Olistra is a sci-fi name as it comes and a definte reference to Big Finish, which would defiantly breach the charter.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jan 14, 2018 16:46:55 GMT
Technically Kate Stewart is non-TV. They could say it's a completely new character who happens to share Ollistra's name. True, but technically a character called Kate Stewart belongs to an out-of-print series of novels and fan film, so it's not as if it's exactly 'current'. Chris Chibnall, however wasn't aware of Downtime Kate when creating the character of Kate Stewart for The Power of The Three, so technically there not one and the same, however much fans like to link them up. On the otherhand, Olistra is a sci-fi name as it comes and a definte reference to Big Finish, which would defiantly breach the charter. They could go down a Dangerman/Prisoner route, have Jacqueline Pearce show up, referred to only as "Cardinal" or similar, and just use her
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 7:35:06 GMT
True, but technically a character called Kate Stewart belongs to an out-of-print series of novels and fan film, so it's not as if it's exactly 'current'. Chris Chibnall, however wasn't aware of Downtime Kate when creating the character of Kate Stewart for The Power of The Three, so technically there not one and the same, however much fans like to link them up. On the otherhand, Olistra is a sci-fi name as it comes and a definte reference to Big Finish, which would defiantly breach the charter. They could go down a Dangerman/Prisoner route, have Jacqueline Pearce show up, referred to only as "Cardinal" or similar, and just use her That could definitely work. They have been a bit cheeky about this kind of thing before. Jemma Redgrave dying her hair blonde definitely evokes the Kate of Downtime and Daemos Rising, but Professor Candy from one of Moffat's Virgin stories (a Seven/Benny one) also makes an appearance in Let's Kill Hitler. That's not even counting the appearance of Lunarversity in that episode, which originally comes from Transit (also featuring a Lethbridge-Stewart). It all depends on how clear you make those links I think.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 7:43:29 GMT
They could go down a Dangerman/Prisoner route, have Jacqueline Pearce show up, referred to only as "Cardinal" or similar, and just use her That could definitely work. They have been a bit cheeky about this kind of thing before. Jemma Redgrave dying her hair blonde definitely evokes the Kate of Downtime and Daemos Rising, but Professor Candy from one of Moffat's Virgin stories (a Seven/Benny one) also makes an appearance in Let's Kill Hitler. That's not even counting the appearance of Lunarversity in that episode, which originally comes from Transit (also featuring a Lethbridge-Stewart). It all depends on how clear you make those links I think. Sadly, there is going to be someone checking up on it. I think evoking out of print material is probably a pass, but anything current is a no-go (and The Night of The Doctor was a BBC Worldwide production). I wouldn't mind the revival (or just SOMEONE) hiring Pearce in another role, though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 7:48:36 GMT
That could definitely work. They have been a bit cheeky about this kind of thing before. Jemma Redgrave dying her hair blonde definitely evokes the Kate of Downtime and Daemos Rising, but Professor Candy from one of Moffat's Virgin stories (a Seven/Benny one) also makes an appearance in Let's Kill Hitler. That's not even counting the appearance of Lunarversity in that episode, which originally comes from Transit (also featuring a Lethbridge-Stewart). It all depends on how clear you make those links I think. Sadly, there is going to be someone checking up on it. I think evoking out of print material is probably a pass, but anything current is a no-go (and The Night of The Doctor was a BBC Worldwide production). I wouldn't mind the revival (or just SOMEONE) hiring Pearce in another role, though. Well, they could always give Olistra an anonymous promotion. We could use another nameless Lady Chancellor.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 15, 2018 10:29:24 GMT
Sadly, there is going to be someone checking up on it. I think evoking out of print material is probably a pass, but anything current is a no-go (and The Night of The Doctor was a BBC Worldwide production). I wouldn't mind the revival (or just SOMEONE) hiring Pearce in another role, though. Well, they could always give Olistra an anonymous promotion. We could use another nameless Lady Chancellor. And make her character personality exactly the same as Ollistra.
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Post by theotherjosh on Jan 15, 2018 15:15:06 GMT
I don't think it will ever happen, as this interpretation was killed fairly definitively by the Deadly Assassin, but I liked the Time Lords of The War Games. The Doctor contacts them because he's unable to deal with the situation himself. I like the interpretation of the Time Lords as distant, removed, but powerful and competent. Intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic. Monstrously arrogant, but justifiably so. If there are other Time Lords introduced, I'd prefer that the Doctor not be better than every one of them in every way. That's not interesting to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 15:35:18 GMT
I don't think it will ever happen, as this interpretation was killed fairly definitively by the Deadly Assassin, but I liked the Time Lords of The War Games. The Doctor contacts them because he's unable to deal with the situation himself. I like the interpretation of the Time Lords as distant, removed, but powerful and competent. Intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic. Monstrously arrogant, but justifiably so. If there are other Time Lords introduced, I'd prefer that the Doctor not be better than every one of them in every way. That's not interesting to me. I think that's where we're heading when The Doctor eventually returns to Galifery. Love it or leave it: the dynamic between The Doctor and The Time Lords has shifted. And as much as I want to see Romana in the revival, I think it might work out better for the series if she's a casualty of the Time War and The Doctor's left to face the cost of his actions without a friend in sight. We're going to see a hard look at The Doctor's morality.
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Post by thethirddoctor on Jan 15, 2018 18:36:34 GMT
Stay away from them!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 18:39:41 GMT
I don't think it will ever happen, as this interpretation was killed fairly definitively by the Deadly Assassin, but I liked the Time Lords of The War Games. The Doctor contacts them because he's unable to deal with the situation himself. I like the interpretation of the Time Lords as distant, removed, but powerful and competent. Intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic. Monstrously arrogant, but justifiably so. If there are other Time Lords introduced, I'd prefer that the Doctor not be better than every one of them in every way. That's not interesting to me. I think that's where we're heading when The Doctor eventually returns to Galifery. Love it or leave it: the dynamic between The Doctor and The Time Lords has shifted. And as much as I want to see Romana in the revival, I think it might work out better for the series if she's a casualty of the Time War and The Doctor's left to face the cost of his actions without a friend in sight. We're going to see a hard look at The Doctor's morality. I hope were not. The show's put too much emphasis on the morality of the character recently, which is especially useless if the entire audience knows that the Doctor's gonna turn out nice anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 20:27:02 GMT
I think that's where we're heading when The Doctor eventually returns to Galifery. Love it or leave it: the dynamic between The Doctor and The Time Lords has shifted. And as much as I want to see Romana in the revival, I think it might work out better for the series if she's a casualty of the Time War and The Doctor's left to face the cost of his actions without a friend in sight. We're going to see a hard look at The Doctor's morality. I hope were not. The show's put too much emphasis on the morality of the character recently, which is especially useless if the entire audience knows that the Doctor's gonna turn out nice anyway. That's why I said eventually
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Jan 15, 2018 20:48:46 GMT
I don't think it will ever happen, as this interpretation was killed fairly definitively by the Deadly Assassin, but I liked the Time Lords of The War Games. The Doctor contacts them because he's unable to deal with the situation himself. I like the interpretation of the Time Lords as distant, removed, but powerful and competent. Intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic. Monstrously arrogant, but justifiably so. If there are other Time Lords introduced, I'd prefer that the Doctor not be better than every one of them in every way. That's not interesting to me. I definitely agree that The War Games is the best take on the Time Lords. The “Great Houses” in Faction Paradox take a lot of influence from it. I once read a really good theory that the Time Lords we see in The War Games are the CIA and the real power behind the Time Lords while the politicians we see in The Deadly Assassin are just puppets who’ve been deliberately kept as a static society by the CIA.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 21:41:17 GMT
Turn them all into women. & Davros to!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 22:21:12 GMT
Turn them all into women. & Davros to! Steady on old chap...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 3:17:01 GMT
I don't think it will ever happen, as this interpretation was killed fairly definitively by the Deadly Assassin, but I liked the Time Lords of The War Games. The Doctor contacts them because he's unable to deal with the situation himself. I like the interpretation of the Time Lords as distant, removed, but powerful and competent. Intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic. Monstrously arrogant, but justifiably so. If there are other Time Lords introduced, I'd prefer that the Doctor not be better than every one of them in every way. That's not interesting to me. Yeah, there's a lot more mileage to be gained by having the Doctor at the lowest end of the totem pole. For instance, I like the idea that the Valeyard had been in charge of numerous tribunals against renegades we've never even heard of before the Doctor himself got involved. His inquiry was just the latest in a long stream of successes by the Time Lords that were bumping his alter ego up to that position on the High Council. They were successful before the Doctor showed up and they'll likely be successful after he's gone, it's why he left their society to begin with. That said, the Time Lords do occasionally have the right idea. The Axis was a pretty smart invention for quarantining corrupted timelines and the Dalek-Movellan War is due in no small part to the Doctor's placement in Deepcity after Genesis of the Daleks. Come to think of it, there is a fairly interesting reason why the Time Lords are so reactionary, it has to do with their rather tumultuous beginnings. During their initial experiments in creating black holes, they punched their way through the fabric of the universe into another dimension with laws of physics hostile to N-Space. Something infinitely terrible came out from the rupture, a force best described as a form of psychotic space -- the Yssgaroth. It twisted whole worlds into hideous murder machines, tainting all forms of life into vampiric thralls who would spread its infection across the cosmos. The Gallifreyans fought back, but the resulting war traumatised their society in such a way that they still haven't recovered from it by the Doctor's time.
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