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Post by shallacatop on May 15, 2018 6:41:22 GMT
Master of Worlds from UNIT: Cyber Reality is the earliest we’ve heard the War Master yet, I think. I’d put it at the beginning of section 2. Enter the Master.
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Post by shallacatop on May 15, 2018 9:25:25 GMT
Thank you for doing that, Sherlock. What a great list!
Just thinking about what other Time War releases we have on the horizon; just Time War 2 and The War Master’s involvement in River Song 5, I believe? Those will be easy to place, I’d imagine.
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Post by dannybl on May 15, 2018 9:49:25 GMT
Been listening to a fair bit of Time War material lately. Making a timeline for a war waged across time seemed a bit redundant, so this is more of a watching/listening order. I intend to update this as it goes. Below then is the Saga of The Last Great Time War by Big Finish: Fantastic! I'd love a 'The Dalek Conquests' style release, maybe narrated by Nick, chronicling the war using the BBC and Big Fniish stories to summarise the war.
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Post by sherlock on May 25, 2018 12:34:54 GMT
Here's a kind of bonus Aftermath section, divided into characters. There's some stories that do overall into multiple characters.
The Doctor: Emotionally shattered after the War, the Doctor resumes his travels eventually gaining the companionship of Rose Tyler The Bleeding Heart The Oncoming Storm Rose The End of the World Dalek Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways
The Daleks: A few scattered survivors linger from the catastrophe Dalek Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways Army of Ghosts/Doomsday Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks The Stolen Earth/Journey's End
Leela: With Gallifrey gone, Leela begins to age in the captivity of an old enemy The Catalyst Empathy Games The Time Vampire
The Master: With the War over, the Master is free to return and begin his plans of domination anew Utopia/The Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords The End of Time
The Wider Universe: The War's effects have left many species radically changed The Bleeding Heart Rose The Unquiet Dead Father's Day (SJA:) The Mad Woman in the Attic The Doctor's Wife
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Post by sherlock on Jul 10, 2018 23:02:44 GMT
The Eighth Doctor: The Time War Series 2 has been added
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Post by shallacatop on Jul 13, 2018 15:13:10 GMT
Is it worth adding Day of the Daleks and Frontier in Space to the list, following on from Planet of the Ogrons in S2 of The Eighth Doctor: The Time War?
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Post by sherlock on Jul 13, 2018 17:55:39 GMT
Is it worth adding Day of the Daleks and Frontier in Space to the list, following on from Planet of the Ogrons in S2 of The Eighth Doctor: The Time War? Added. Thought that was quite a nice reference.
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Post by Star Platinum on Sept 10, 2018 4:31:42 GMT
Unless I’m blind, you seem to be missing engines of war.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Sept 10, 2018 8:41:19 GMT
Fleeting thought: when the War Master story picks up again in his own box set in The Good Master, after The Devil You Know, there's probably enough wiggle room to bump the rest of the War Master set out after the end of GTW1. I don't know if I like how that flows, but in Only the Good: [/i], he has clearly been on Arcking for some time [*]The following story, The Sky Man, seems to take place over months or even years [*]The War seems to be escalating significantly in the closing moments of The Heavenly Paradigm[/ul] However in GTW1: [/i], Romana indicates that the War has only been fought for "months" from Gallifrey's POV [*]The Dalek attack on Project Revenant in Desperate Measures is just a response to the ongoing Time Lord actions in GTW1. It does not appear to be a significant escalation of hostilities[/ul] It's not flawless, and as we well know, trying to come up with a timeline for a temporal war is going to be problematic at best, but it's something to consider.[/quote]You make interesting points. I've moved it accordingly to just after The Devil You Know. I hope Big Finish do explore somehow the consequences of The Heavenly Paradigm, given its such a game-changer for the entire War according to the Master. [/quote]What if one consequence of the Heavenly Paradigm is a positive for Gallifrey and the Doctor decides that what the universe needs is a warrior, not another Doctor.....
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Post by sherlock on Sept 12, 2018 14:26:40 GMT
An updated Aftermath section, including The Diary of River Song Series 4 and stories pertaining to the Time Lords
The Doctor: Emotionally shattered after the War, the Doctor resumes his travels eventually gaining the companionship of Rose Tyler The Bleeding Heart The Oncoming Storm Rose The End of the World Dalek Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways
The Time Lords: Having survived near-annihilation the Time Lords seek to return to the normal universe The Time of the Doctor Hell Bent
The Daleks: A few scattered survivors linger seeking to restore their species to their former glory Dalek Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways Army of Ghosts/Doomsday Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks The Stolen Earth/Journey's End Victory of the Daleks
Leela: With Gallifrey gone, Leela begins to age in the captivity of an old enemy The Catalyst Empathy Games The Time Vampire
The Master: With the War over, the Master is free to return and begin his plans of domination anew Utopia/The Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords The End of Time
The Wider Universe: The War's effects have left many species radically changed and Gallifrey's absence has left a void for exploitation The Bleeding Heart Rose The Unquiet Dead Father's Day (SJA:) The Mad Woman in the Attic The Doctor's Wife (TDoRS:) Time in a Bottle (TDoRS:) Kings of Infinite Space (TDoRS:) Whodunnit? (TDoRS:) Someone I Once Knew
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Post by sherlock on Nov 28, 2018 17:26:57 GMT
Original post edited to include the Aftermath section (formatted the same as the Prelude section) and added a section regarding another War in a parallel universe, which whilst not the Time War exactly does seem to be that universe’s equivalent.
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Post by sherlock on Dec 6, 2018 11:27:00 GMT
So The Master of Callous Only way to explain its placement is to go into major spoiler territory- {Spoiler} The ending sees it confirmed that the War hasn’t begun formally but is coming very soon. The ending also sees the Master receive items that come into play later in his War escapades, so this essentially sets up the Master’s role in the conflict to come.
This is essentially a prequel storyline so goes at the very end of the Prelude section.
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Post by shallacatop on Dec 6, 2018 20:55:59 GMT
So The Master of Callous Only way to explain its placement is to go into major spoiler territory- {Spoiler} The ending sees it confirmed that the War hasn’t begun formally but is coming very soon. The ending also sees the Master receive items that come into play later in his War escapades, so this essentially sets up the Master’s role in the conflict to come.
This is essentially a prequel storyline so goes at the very end of the Prelude section. Agreed. It’s certainly the earliest Big Finish have portrayed the War Master so far.
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Post by Digi on Dec 24, 2018 4:13:07 GMT
Total speculation: what if the Eighth Doctor Time War sets are not later in the war as we've been assuming so far? What if reality changing around the Doctor during The Starship of Theseus is actually the outbreak of the war, as experienced by someone who is a time traveller but isn't present for the opening battles?
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Post by sherlock on Dec 24, 2018 20:46:04 GMT
Total speculation: what if the Eighth Doctor Time War sets are not later in the war as we've been assuming so far? What if reality changing around the Doctor during The Starship of Theseus is actually the outbreak of the war, as experienced by someone who is a time traveller but isn't present for the opening battles? I suspect that is kind of the case. If I remember right the Doctor says something to the effect of ‘How could I forget...’ once someone mentions the Time War directly to him after the reality shifts. I think the implication is that once the Time War has started it has always been waging to an extent. So I think the best way to rationalise this is the Doctor’s recent timeline gets substantially rewritten at the outbreak of the War. His travels with Sheena/Emma/Louise are overwritten with the events at the start of the War, creating a new timeline that sees him first learn of the War’s outbreak and deciding not to get involved (as that decision is a major aspect of the later parts of the first set). Museum Peace is likely a part of this new timeline, as is All Hands on Deck as they both seem to have proximity to the start of the War. It’s difficult to really reflect this in a listening order. I think on balance The Rulers of the Universe, The Sontaran Ordeal, A Heart on Both Sides and Day of the Vashta Nerada should probably go after The Time War sets. This way Starship serves as the opener of The Good Man act, giving us a brief glimpse of what the Doctor’s life without the War would be like before reality catches up. I’ll edit to accommodate this.
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Post by TimPendragon on Dec 24, 2018 21:33:26 GMT
Just about to start on Dark Eyes 2, and I'm trying to line everything else up so I can get to it in order. Should Master of Callous be listened to before Only the Good, given that it's essentially a "prequel," or would it be spoiling later events?
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Post by Digi on Dec 25, 2018 1:20:11 GMT
Total speculation: what if the Eighth Doctor Time War sets are not later in the war as we've been assuming so far? What if reality changing around the Doctor during The Starship of Theseus is actually the outbreak of the war, as experienced by someone who is a time traveller but isn't present for the opening battles? I suspect that is kind of the case. If I remember right the Doctor says something to the effect of ‘How could I forget...’ once someone mentions the Time War directly to him after the reality shifts. I think the implication is that once the Time War has started it has always been waging to an extent. So I think the best way to rationalise this is the Doctor’s recent timeline gets substantially rewritten at the outbreak of the War. His travels with Sheena/Emma/Louise are overwritten with the events at the start of the War, creating a new timeline that sees him first learn of the War’s outbreak and deciding not to get involved (as that decision is a major aspect of the later parts of the first set). Museum Peace is likely a part of this new timeline, as is All Hands on Deck as they both seem to have proximity to the start of the War. It’s difficult to really reflect this in a listening order. I think on balance The Rulers of the Universe, The Sontaran Ordeal, A Heart on Both Sides and Day of the Vashta Nerada should probably go after The Time War sets. This way Starship serves as the opener of The Good Man act, giving us a brief glimpse of what the Doctor’s life without the War would be like before reality catches up. I’ll edit to accommodate this. Oh hey, don't feel the need to change anything because of what I said. I'm speculating and was wondering what you lot thought
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Post by Digi on Dec 25, 2018 1:21:51 GMT
Just about to start on Dark Eyes 2, and I'm trying to line everything else up so I can get to it in order. Should Master of Callous be listened to before Only the Good, given that it's essentially a "prequel," or would it be spoiling later events? "Master of Callous" is most definitely prior to "Only the Good," but the two sets are completely standalone and do not reference each other in any way.
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Post by sherlock on Jan 22, 2019 16:44:20 GMT
Added the War Master’s story in River Song 5 to the saga. I’ve put it after Cyber-Reality just out of release order, it could easily go before it.
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Post by sherlock on Jan 23, 2019 19:19:28 GMT
Added The Genocide Machine to the Prelude, as it features the Daleks attacking a facility under Time Lord protection, which seems like another small step towards the Time War in retrospect.
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