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Post by omega on Mar 24, 2018 8:35:36 GMT
DOCTOR WHO - MAIN RANGE » 9. THE SPECTRE OF LANYON MOORReleased June 2000SynopsisIn a desolate Cornish landscape littered with relics of prehistoric man, the Doctor and Evelyn uncover a catalogue of mysteries. What is the secret of the fog? Can the moor be haunted by a demonic host of imps? And what is Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart doing in Pengriffen? Teaming up with his old friend, the Doctor realises that an ancient conflict is nearing its conclusion - and Lanyon Moor is set to be the final battleground. Written By: Nicholas Pegg Directed By: Nicholas Pegg CASTColin Baker (The Doctor), Maggie Stables (Evelyn Smythe), Nicholas Courtney (The Brigadier), Susan Jameson (Mrs Moynihan), Barnaby Edwards (Philip Ludgate/Scryfan), Toby Longworth (Professor Morgan/Sancreda/UNIT Sentry), James Bolam (Sir Archibald Flint), Helen Goldwyn (Nikki Hunter/Pelagia Stamatis/Corporal Croft), Nicholas Pegg (Captain Ashforde)
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Post by omega on Mar 24, 2018 8:37:43 GMT
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Mar 24, 2018 13:28:08 GMT
This was just great to hear The Brig with Sixie properly
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2018 22:31:04 GMT
After the high tier quality of The Marian Conspiracy, i was a bit let down by the second story in Evelyns run. Admittedly, hearing the brigadier with six left me with the biggest grin and Evelyn does get a lot of focus (I can see already how she gets the acclaim she does, bar Nicolus Courtney, she is the star performance in the story). But otherwise i felt a lot of it was just filler with the doctor sitting around doing nothing for most of it and the villains were very one note, again after the previous storys villiain it was a step down. Average but not amazing. 6/10 (P.s. We’ve got Daleks next week however, which im very excited for 😃)
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Post by Ela on Mar 25, 2018 5:24:16 GMT
I haven't listened to this story recently, but I enjoyed it, though not as much as The Marian Conspiracy.
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Post by omega on Mar 29, 2018 8:34:43 GMT
Definite shades of Terror of the Zygons, with the Brigadier in a rural location and an aristocrat concealing a secret in their cellar, accessed by a secret panel. There’s even the companion going to their estate to do research, find the panel and get captured, as well as an unexpected change in location.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 9:10:56 GMT
Definite shades of Terror of the Zygons, with the Brigadier in a rural location and an aristocrat concealing a secret in their cellar, accessed by a secret panel. There’s even the companion going to their estate to do research, find the panel and get captured, as well as an unexpected change in location. I agree with this. This was like a Hinchcliffe Tom Baker story featuring Colin - it even featured the Brig! But that is no complaint. Quite the contrary, in fact. A big, enjoyable, sprawling, rural horror story with some terrific aliens and a City of Death-style 'wraparound' scenario featuring the excellent Toby Longworth. At the time, the cast really impressed me. It still does now, with James Bolam and Susan Jameson two very well known names; this was the first time Big Finish had secured such names. Now, such names are not unusual (but still highly regarded), but back then, it made me think that audio Doctor Who had some real weight behind it. And it has!
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Post by omega on Mar 29, 2018 9:19:07 GMT
Definite shades of Terror of the Zygons, with the Brigadier in a rural location and an aristocrat concealing a secret in their cellar, accessed by a secret panel. There’s even the companion going to their estate to do research, find the panel and get captured, as well as an unexpected change in location. I agree with this. This was like a Hinchcliffe Tom Baker story featuring Colin - it even featured the Brig! But that is no complaint. Quite the contrary, in fact. A big, enjoyable, sprawling, rural horror story with some terrific aliens and a City of Death-style 'wraparound' scenario featuring the excellent Toby Longworth. At the time, the cast really impressed me. It still does now, with James Bolam and Susan Jameson two very well known names; this was the first time Big Finish had secured such names. Now, such names are not unusual (but still highly regarded), but back then, it made me think that audio Doctor Who had some real weight behind it. And it has! I think this one was written for Tom and changed to fit Colin, so that makes sense. Might have started out a Fourth Doctor and Sarah story, as Liz Sladen was in an early Benny story, and Louise Jameson and Mary Tamm didn't join Big Finish until later (Louise in Zagreus and Mary in Gallifrey possibly). Evelyn's role in the story would fit Sarah, who had a bad habit of seking help from a character who turned out to be evil (it happens a couple of times in Invasion of the Dinosaurs, as Sarah wearily notes the second time it happens), plus Evelyn's references could plausibly be made by Sarah.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 11:18:22 GMT
I agree with this. This was like a Hinchcliffe Tom Baker story featuring Colin - it even featured the Brig! But that is no complaint. Quite the contrary, in fact. A big, enjoyable, sprawling, rural horror story with some terrific aliens and a City of Death-style 'wraparound' scenario featuring the excellent Toby Longworth. At the time, the cast really impressed me. It still does now, with James Bolam and Susan Jameson two very well known names; this was the first time Big Finish had secured such names. Now, such names are not unusual (but still highly regarded), but back then, it made me think that audio Doctor Who had some real weight behind it. And it has! I think this one was written for Tom and changed to fit Colin, so that makes sense. Might have started out a Fourth Doctor and Sarah story, as Liz Sladen was in an early Benny story, and Louise Jameson and Mary Tamm didn't join Big Finish until later (Louise in Zagreus and Mary in Gallifrey possibly). Evelyn's role in the story would fit Sarah, who had a bad habit of seking help from a character who turned out to be evil (it happens a couple of times in Invasion of the Dinosaurs, as Sarah wearily notes the second time it happens), plus Evelyn's references could plausibly be made by Sarah. That's right, I'm sure you're right! Didn't BF send this to Tom alongside Stones of Venice and a couple of others? I#m very glad the stories were fitted around other Doctors.
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Post by lidar2 on Mar 29, 2018 11:41:43 GMT
Definite shades of Terror of the Zygons, with the Brigadier in a rural location and an aristocrat concealing a secret in their cellar, accessed by a secret panel. There’s even the companion going to their estate to do research, find the panel and get captured, as well as an unexpected change in location. This was like a Hinchcliffe Tom Baker story No higher praise can be given!
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Mar 29, 2018 19:14:19 GMT
This was like a Hinchcliffe Tom Baker story No higher praise can be given! It is my day for agreeing, so agree 100%
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Post by constonks on Mar 29, 2018 19:50:00 GMT
I think this one was written for Tom and changed to fit Colin, so that makes sense. Might have started out a Fourth Doctor and Sarah story, as Liz Sladen was in an early Benny story, and Louise Jameson and Mary Tamm didn't join Big Finish until later (Louise in Zagreus and Mary in Gallifrey possibly). Evelyn's role in the story would fit Sarah, who had a bad habit of seking help from a character who turned out to be evil (it happens a couple of times in Invasion of the Dinosaurs, as Sarah wearily notes the second time it happens), plus Evelyn's references could plausibly be made by Sarah. Now that you've said it, I can't see anything else - it even makes sense why this doesn't play out like it's Evelyn's second adventure, as it wouldn't have been Sarah's. The story is also so typical that I could see Tom Baker brushing it off as more of the same. It's a good story, though. EDIT: From Doc Oho, "This story was originally intended for Tom Baker along with The Holy Terror and The Stones of Venice but he turned them down." - now I can see this one and Stones, but Holy Terror was going to be a Tom story? Can anyone imagine that story without the big talking bird?
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Mar 29, 2018 19:55:40 GMT
I think this one was written for Tom and changed to fit Colin, so that makes sense. Might have started out a Fourth Doctor and Sarah story, as Liz Sladen was in an early Benny story, and Louise Jameson and Mary Tamm didn't join Big Finish until later (Louise in Zagreus and Mary in Gallifrey possibly). Evelyn's role in the story would fit Sarah, who had a bad habit of seking help from a character who turned out to be evil (it happens a couple of times in Invasion of the Dinosaurs, as Sarah wearily notes the second time it happens), plus Evelyn's references could plausibly be made by Sarah. Now that you've said it, I can't see anything else - it even makes sense why this doesn't play out like it's Evelyn's second adventure, as it wouldn't have been Sarah's. The story is also so typical that I could see Tom Baker brushing it off as more of the same. It's a good story, though. EDIT: From Doc Oho, "This story was originally intended for Tom Baker along with The Holy Terror and The Stones of Venice but he turned them down." - now I can see this one and Stones, but Holy Terror was going to be a Tom story? Can anyone imagine that story without the big talking bird? It is one of those stories that gives weight to Steven Moffat's remarks about how writing for one Doctor is much like writing for any of them. Colin Baker is great in this story but I can just as easily close my eyes and imagine Tom Baker performing it without changing a word.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Mar 29, 2018 21:08:49 GMT
I think this one was written for Tom and changed to fit Colin, so that makes sense. Might have started out a Fourth Doctor and Sarah story, as Liz Sladen was in an early Benny story, and Louise Jameson and Mary Tamm didn't join Big Finish until later (Louise in Zagreus and Mary in Gallifrey possibly). Evelyn's role in the story would fit Sarah, who had a bad habit of seking help from a character who turned out to be evil (it happens a couple of times in Invasion of the Dinosaurs, as Sarah wearily notes the second time it happens), plus Evelyn's references could plausibly be made by Sarah. Now that you've said it, I can't see anything else - it even makes sense why this doesn't play out like it's Evelyn's second adventure, as it wouldn't have been Sarah's. The story is also so typical that I could see Tom Baker brushing it off as more of the same. It's a good story, though. EDIT: From Doc Oho, "This story was originally intended for Tom Baker along with The Holy Terror and The Stones of Venice but he turned them down." - now I can see this one and Stones, but Holy Terror was going to be a Tom story? Can anyone imagine that story without the big talking bird? It does also explain why a university history professor needs exposition from the Doctor about stone age Britain just because it isn't "her period."
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Post by omega on Mar 29, 2018 21:14:34 GMT
I think this one was written for Tom and changed to fit Colin, so that makes sense. Might have started out a Fourth Doctor and Sarah story, as Liz Sladen was in an early Benny story, and Louise Jameson and Mary Tamm didn't join Big Finish until later (Louise in Zagreus and Mary in Gallifrey possibly). Evelyn's role in the story would fit Sarah, who had a bad habit of seking help from a character who turned out to be evil (it happens a couple of times in Invasion of the Dinosaurs, as Sarah wearily notes the second time it happens), plus Evelyn's references could plausibly be made by Sarah. Now that you've said it, I can't see anything else - it even makes sense why this doesn't play out like it's Evelyn's second adventure, as it wouldn't have been Sarah's. The story is also so typical that I could see Tom Baker brushing it off as more of the same. It's a good story, though. EDIT: From Doc Oho, "This story was originally intended for Tom Baker along with The Holy Terror and The Stones of Venice but he turned them down." - now I can see this one and Stones, but Holy Terror was going to be a Tom story? Can anyone imagine that story without the big talking bird? Evelyn does have more sarcasm than I'd have expected from her about the Doctor's driving ability for her second story. So that's either a gap we aren't aware of (at the end of Marian Conspiracy she did say she was open to the scenic route to meeting Darwin) or a few lines that missed the rewrite.
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Post by bobod on Mar 29, 2018 21:24:32 GMT
My memory is that Tom was sent those scripts as examples of different types of BF stories. They were NOT written for him and then rewritten for other Doctors.
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Post by omega on Mar 29, 2018 21:45:52 GMT
My memory is that Tom was sent those scripts as examples of different types of BF stories. They were NOT written for him and then rewritten for other Doctors. Maybe Nick Pegg used that as a starting point for the story, as this was released a few months after Evelyn's first story (which is when the Big Finish rehabilitation of the Sixth Doctor started in earnest).
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Mar 29, 2018 22:40:00 GMT
According to Nick Pegg via Benjamin Cook and The Untold Story, The Spectre of Lanyon Moor was one of the three pitches Big Finish made as an overture to Tom Baker. Robert Shearman's The Holy Terror was their "wacky" idea, Paul Magrs's The Stones of Venice was their modern pitch and Nick Pegg's For Fear of Little Men was their traditional style story. This play never went to full script for the 4th Doctor but rather was a 2,000 treatment and it did feature Sarah Jane as the companion. So the moral of the story, when talking about the early days of Big Finish, always consult Doctor Who: The New Audio Adventures-The Untold Story by Mr. Benjamin Cook.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2018 11:32:44 GMT
So the moral of the story, when talking about the early days of Big Finish, always consult Doctor Who: The New Audio Adventures-The Untold Story by Mr. Benjamin Cook. Well, it was an untold story, until he wrote the book... it then became The Inside Story.
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Post by kfbate on Mar 30, 2018 13:43:22 GMT
It is a quality piece of writing for the era, with some original cast making it all the more enjoyable and authentic. Superb and very enjoyable.
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