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Post by omega on Mar 31, 2018 22:26:21 GMT
DOCTOR WHO - MAIN RANGE » 22. BLOODTIDEReleased July 2001SynopsisThe prehistoric Earth is dying. Thunderclouds roll across the skies, cloaking the land in darkness. The seas crash and boil as the rain turns to acid. The remnants of the Silurian race place themselves in suspended animation, deep below the surface. One day they will awaken and reclaim their world… The TARDIS has landed on the Galapagos Islands, a desolate outcrop of rocks shrouded in mist and fear. In the settlement of Baquerizo Moreno, there are rumours that prisoners have been mysteriously disappearing from the gaolhouse. A fisherman has been driven insane by something he saw in the caves. And the Doctor and Evelyn are not the only new arrivals; there is also a young natural philosopher by the name of Charles Darwin… Written By: Jonathan Morris Directed By: Gary Russell CASTColin Baker (The Doctor); Maggie Stables (Evelyn Smythe); Miles Richardson (Charles Darwin); George Telfer (Captain Fitzroy); Daniel Hogarth (Tulok); Julian Harries (Governor Lawson); Helen Goldwyn (Shvak); Jane Goddard (Greta); Jez Fielder (Emilio / Lokan); Rob Shearman (The Myrka); William Johnson (The Myrka)
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Post by omega on Mar 31, 2018 22:26:32 GMT
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Post by barnabaslives on Apr 1, 2018 20:57:46 GMT
One of my first DW audios, and still one of my favorites. I'm very much looking forward to hearing it again.
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Post by Hieronymus on Apr 1, 2018 21:33:56 GMT
I thought it was alright. There was a lot of potential in the story, but as someone who was studied the historical Darwin and his work (I'm an evolutionary biologist by training) I was disappointed many times by the script. It could have been a lot worse, but there were many problems, including the character of the young Darwin himself.
A big plus was bringing back the Silurians, but again, there were problems. I have yet to see any writer get the science right without at least one gross mistake.*
* Pet peeve: calling the Silurians "Homo reptilis", which would make them mammals and close relatives of humans, because that's how taxonomic naming works. If two species are given the same genus name, then they are very closely related evolutionarily. "Homo" is the genus for the closest living and fossil relatives of humans, and so it is absolutely impossible for a reptile to be a member of that genus. Every attempt ever made by some writer to "fix" the misnomer of "Silurians" has just made the situation worse.
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Post by eric009 on Apr 1, 2018 22:30:34 GMT
I liked it as The Myrka was a good monster let down by very bad lighting (warriors of the deep) the whole story was last time I watched it I turned down light on my monitor, just a damn shame the story abit niff but this story a good 1
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Post by Timelord007 on Apr 2, 2018 7:48:21 GMT
Love it, one of my favourite Sixth Doctor audios, 9/10.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Apr 3, 2018 13:11:36 GMT
Fantastic story and I love we get more world building for The Siluarians
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Post by number13 on Apr 5, 2018 1:08:06 GMT
A superb, exciting story which took me almost totally by surprise. I knew the guest "monster" but that was it, so the setting and the famous guest characters were a huge surprise. Charles Darwin is rather a hero of mine, so to see him plunged into a battle for survival (of the fittest!) with some other members of Earth's evolutionary history - and shaping his world-changing Theory in the process - was a real treat. I liked the way the story builds from the historical opening, through the mystery, to the full-on Silurian encounter and then a second half full of plots, surprises, a battle with the Myrka (oh brilliant to have the Myrka suddenly surface! ) and a massive ending in the classic style. I thought Jonathan Morris got the Silurians exactly right and just as Malcolm Hulke intended. Too often since their first story they have been made 'noble' to show how 'evil' humanity is. But here they are shown as they should be - individual people, reptile people but still people just like us. Some are brave and good, some ordinary and everyday - and some are totally evil. And the Doctor doesn't mess about saying 'there should have been another way' does he? He makes an alliance with brave Shvak, just as we'd expect him to - then he defeats evil Tulok with maximum Myrka! There's a lot of poetic licence taken with the Darwin side of the story, as decades of experiment, observation and deduction (and his sometimes agonised internal debates) are compressed into a few hectic days, by the end of which his great Theory is complete. But that's all fair enough, at least in my opinion. This is a 'Doctor Who' adventure (and a cracker!) not an historical text and Darwin's conversations with Evelyn are another highlight, convincingly written and wonderfully performed. Anyway, once we've heard a megalomaniac Silurian genetic meddler claim to have created modern humans ('I am your god!'), any other poetic licence taken is small by comparison. Our Evelyn listen-through is introducing me to one gem of a story after another! This is another winner from the dawn of BF and very high on the evolutionary scale. 5*
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Post by Ela on Apr 15, 2018 23:04:09 GMT
I thought it was alright. There was a lot of potential in the story, but as someone who was studied the historical Darwin and his work (I'm an evolutionary biologist by training) I was disappointed many times by the script. It could have been a lot worse, but there were many problems, including the character of the young Darwin himself. A big plus was bringing back the Silurians, but again, there were problems. I have yet to see any writer get the science right without at least one gross mistake.* * Pet peeve: calling the Silurians "Homo reptilis", which would make them mammals and close relatives of humans, because that's how taxonomic naming works. If two species are given the same genus name, then they are very closely related evolutionarily. "Homo" is the genus for the closest living and fossil relatives of humans, and so it is absolutely impossible for a reptile to be a member of that genus. Every attempt ever made by some writer to "fix" the misnomer of "Silurians" has just made the situation worse. Yup. Agree with your pet peeve.
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Post by sherlock on Apr 15, 2018 23:34:09 GMT
Very enjoyable. The Silurians get world-building worthy of Hulke, the sixth Doctor is great and Evelyn and Charles' exchanges were fun.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 21:54:56 GMT
After the apocalypse elememt seemingly killing my passion to continue with this run (in fact in the past couple weeks i’ve tried starting terrorhawks, minuet in hell, dorian grey but all have done nothing and i’ve not finished any) i finally braved to carry on with the elvelyn storys...and im certainly glad i did!
An excellent story with great characters, something different for the silurians to do and all around a good story. After the good but flawed Spectre of Layton Moore and the very obtrusive and boring Apocalypse element i can finally say that this is as good, maybes better than the love i had with the marian conspiracy and im excited to deleve further once more! 9/10
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Post by mark687 on May 29, 2018 11:35:31 GMT
Interesting one this
Miles Richardson is very good as Darwin, and the scenes with Evelyn mixing with one of her historical idols are sweet.
I think the Part 2 Cliff-hanger is one the best early BF Cliff-Hangers ever, the Mykra attack on the boat is really well done.
Then we have the double-revelation Humans are food and our intelligence is a side effect of GM, makes the notion of co-existence a hard sell!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 5:45:16 GMT
I liked it as The Myrka was a good monster let down by very bad lighting (warriors of the deep) the whole story was last time I watched it I turned down light on my monitor, just a damn shame the story abit niff but this story a good 1 The Myrka was a truly terrible creation even with the lights down.The audio version is terrifying.I often wish they would somehow CGI it the story itself is a good one.(Warriors).Bloodtide is a greatly entertaining story and adds another Theory of Humanity’s creation there have been a few.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Dec 9, 2018 6:00:21 GMT
I thought it was alright. There was a lot of potential in the story, but as someone who was studied the historical Darwin and his work (I'm an evolutionary biologist by training) I was disappointed many times by the script. It could have been a lot worse, but there were many problems, including the character of the young Darwin himself. A big plus was bringing back the Silurians, but again, there were problems. I have yet to see any writer get the science right without at least one gross mistake.* * Pet peeve: calling the Silurians "Homo reptilis", which would make them mammals and close relatives of humans, because that's how taxonomic naming works. If two species are given the same genus name, then they are very closely related evolutionarily. "Homo" is the genus for the closest living and fossil relatives of humans, and so it is absolutely impossible for a reptile to be a member of that genus. Every attempt ever made by some writer to "fix" the misnomer of "Silurians" has just made the situation worse. Well, one writer of some minor note, known to the denizens of this forum in fact, resolved that problem by simply having the name the reptilevpeople have for the planet they live on being “Siluria” therefore they would be Silurians.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 7:49:26 GMT
I thought it was alright. There was a lot of potential in the story, but as someone who was studied the historical Darwin and his work (I'm an evolutionary biologist by training) I was disappointed many times by the script. It could have been a lot worse, but there were many problems, including the character of the young Darwin himself. A big plus was bringing back the Silurians, but again, there were problems. I have yet to see any writer get the science right without at least one gross mistake.* * Pet peeve: calling the Silurians "Homo reptilis", which would make them mammals and close relatives of humans, because that's how taxonomic naming works. If two species are given the same genus name, then they are very closely related evolutionarily. "Homo" is the genus for the closest living and fossil relatives of humans, and so it is absolutely impossible for a reptile to be a member of that genus. Every attempt ever made by some writer to "fix" the misnomer of "Silurians" has just made the situation worse. Well, one writer of some minor note, known to the denizens of this forum in fact, resolved that problem by simply having the name the reptilevpeople have for the planet they live on being “Siluria” therefore they would be Silurians. The more ambiguous "Earth Reptiles" title also pops up occassionally in the books, alongside Blood Heat introducing psionosauropodomorpha as a more friendly taxonomical term (well, I say friendly...).
They're a marvellous invention these... fellow sentient inhabitants of the planet Earth (he writes most carefully). The whole premise is inspired, pitting Darwin against humanity's predecessor, and it continues a very lovely tradition carried across that first "season" between Sixie and Evelyn: taking the barest bones of an idea done on television -- in this case returning adversary vs. historical setting (re: The Mark of the Rani) -- and revitalising it for an audio medium. All the familiar components of are there in the Myrka, the pesticide and the in-group politicking, amongst others, without it feeling like a straightforward retread. There's something rather sweet about the Doctor inveigling himself with Darwin for Evelyn's benefit. The atmosphere too is gleefully vibrant, everything a tropical archipelago in the Pacific should sound like.
Now that I think about it, I'd be very curious these days at seeing a Silurian story set sometime in the far future. Waaaay past Warriors or Candidate, where they and the humans find themselves using their own shared history to help mediate a group of civilisations in similar such strife. I reckon that could be rather interesting.
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Post by slithe on Dec 9, 2018 11:55:50 GMT
Ironically, for an audio adventure, it was the cover art that drew me to this one!! Still think it's one of the best that BF have produced and was miles ahead of the 'cut and paste' efforts of the the 1999 and 2000 releases.
Great story. As ever, it develops the interaction between Sixie and Evelyn and continues the 'renaissance' of the Sixth Doctor. It builds on the earlier historical approaches of the Marian Conspiracy and, to a certain extent, the historical-feeling Spectre of Lanyon Moor. I always see these series of adventures as following the successful Holmes/Hinchcliffe approach with Tom Baker in the mid-1970s - there are strong story telling elements combined with gothic horror (which is kept in balance).
Baker and Stables shine here and both complement each other really well. The idea of meeting Darwin is interesting and it is a wonder that it hasn't happened on TV. Not so sure about the idea of the Silurians 'creating' humanity in its current form, but it is an interesting concept nonetheless. Probably the best use of the creatures since the initial 1970s story (and way better than the Silurian Candidate).
A great release from a great period of BF. Really good.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 22:35:43 GMT
A great release from a great period of BF. Really good. Agree 100%... great story.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 9, 2018 23:06:57 GMT
The first Jonathan Morris Big Finish story, isn’t it?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 8:07:43 GMT
The first Jonathan Morris Big Finish story, isn’t it? Yep, just a year after he did Festival of Death for the PDAs. His second ever for Doctor Who, judging from his bibliography.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Dec 10, 2018 8:32:04 GMT
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