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Post by Digi on Aug 18, 2018 13:00:49 GMT
Listened to this last week. Very enjoyable. Did anyone else think the admiral was going to be revealed as Davros? Definitely sounded like him. I thought Nick had cast himself as the War Davros but it turned out not to be the case. My only gripe is that we have the Time War narrative proceeding along 2 parallel tracks - Gallifrey/War Master on one hand and 8th Dr on the other. Are the 2 never going to cross? I would guess 8 will not cross paths with the War Master, because 10 doesn’t recognize him in Utopia. I absolutely expect/want the Time War 8/Gallifrey lines to intersect at some point though.
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Post by nottenst on Aug 28, 2018 14:51:34 GMT
Another great release. I could really see the Dalek attacks in Jonah in my mind. Planet of the Ogrons was so completely off the wall that it was my favorite of the set. Very strong release.
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Post by tuigirl on Aug 28, 2018 17:47:32 GMT
While it was enjoyable, this second volume was not as good as the first one, for me at least. But oh my god, the Ogron and the Twelve were awesome. They basically saved this set from just being good average. Plus, I really like the atmosphere on that submarine, very interesting setting for a story. But I now wonder what they are going to do next, and how they are going to avoid too much repetition...
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Post by selimpensfiction on Aug 28, 2018 21:58:12 GMT
I’m still laughing my head off at Dr. Ogron. “Who. Am. I?! Oh. Am Doctor.” Just love it.
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Post by tuigirl on Aug 29, 2018 11:36:41 GMT
I’m still laughing my head off at Dr. Ogron. “Who. Am. I?! Oh. Am Doctor.” Just love it. "Oh. Still look the same. Still ginger."
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Post by Ela on Sept 4, 2018 0:16:11 GMT
I’m still laughing my head off at Dr. Ogron. “Who. Am. I?! Oh. Am Doctor.” Just love it. "Oh. Still look the same. Still ginger." Love that.
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Post by randomcomments on Sept 16, 2018 3:37:56 GMT
I've not finished the whole set yet, but I lost it when they gave Nick Briggs the line "Just Imagine" as the Overseer in Planet of the Ogrons.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 7:37:47 GMT
Well time certainly has been altered. I no longer get annoyed as i first did with the gender changes of the Time Lords. I love Julia Mckenzie in this as Rover said to me she wasn’t the greatest of Marples (am kindly altering his words).She was a great Ariadne Oliver in Poirot BBC audio adventures.Doctor Ogron is still a great story and Lords of terror was simply Time Lord Politicking great stuff.Now for the final two stories again tbh i can remember the final story very well but am kind of vague on Guy Adams story-bet its brilliant and i didnt realise it 😉
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 7:39:07 GMT
There is hope for JODIE but hey lets not jump that far ahead😂🤪😂😂🤪😎
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 7:57:57 GMT
And now i remember why i dont remember Guy Adams story 😉
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Post by Kestrel on Sept 17, 2020 0:41:51 GMT
Halfway through the set, and I've gotta say, I'm really enjoying it so far. The Ogron Doctor is a lot of fun, and--as always--the Twelve proves an amusing foil. Really glad 8DTW2 went on sale this week--I've been eagerly awaiting continuing this range all summer, but couldn't justify the $35 USD price tag (why so much?). Before going into the 8DTW sets, I'd heard some pretty negative sentiments from some people... but I gotta say, I am absolutely loving this range. I really hope Big Finish continues it past 8DTW4.
Especially considering Bliss has been his companion throughout all four sets. No slight to Rakhee Thrakar, Bliss is a fine companion, but she's... a little too conventional. A little too familiar. A Time War range--especially the "end" of this range, leading in to Night of the Doctor--feels like it would really benefit from a series of temporary companions who end poorly, and/or solo adventures. To really drive home how and why the Doctor feels so personally desperate prior to his regeneration.
There was also a thread here last week about which style of 8th Doctor stories we prefer, and it occurs to me that the 8DTW range really do have an ideal premise. I might even go so far as to say this is the optimal setting for 8th Doctor stories. The framing of the Time War provides an over-arcing narrative linking the stories, but there's no compulsion to resolve that storyline. This allows each episode to be episodic without feeling like filler--a stark contrast to the other 8th Doctor boxsets, where the larger narratives often feel, paradoxically, both underwritten and overly convoluted. The backdrop of the Time War also provides a handy justification for all of the bad things the Doctor keeps running into, which beats the hell out of the rest of the franchise operating under the assumption that the whole universe just kind of sucks. And, as we see with the various Time Lord characters, these war stories also allow certain dynamics to be flipped on their head.
In short: it's all a great deal of fun.
One thing I do want to comment on before I forget: that one Time Lord guy in 8DTW2.1 calls out the Doctor for his actions in Genesis of the Daleks. I'd really like to see this explored more. The Doctor kind of brushes him off, but I would eventually like to see some indication that the Doctor acknowledges his responsibility here--the war sits on his shoulders. I'd also be very interested in seeing him interact with Narvin, especially if it comes to light that the inciting incident of the war was committed by the Doctor at his behest.
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Post by Kestrel on Sept 21, 2020 20:00:49 GMT
Well, I've finished 8DTW2!
I think it's probably the weakest Time War set I've listened to thus far, but still very good! Definitely glad I waited for a sale before buying, though--and God was that a test of patience.
I think the first two stories were much better than the last two, but they were all a lot of fun. In The Garden of Death was a lot of fun just for cool character dynamics, so I don't have much to say about it... Jonah on the other hand? I have some words. (I always do, don't I? I'm sorry. I'm so, so sorry.)
My main impression of Jonah is that it's one of those stories that works really well conceptually, but just... never quite came together, for whatever reason, in the execution. The idea of the 8th Doctor as a submarine captain fighting Daleks in submarines? Awesome. But, ultimately, the script lacked focus. There were just too many elements at play between the natives, the Urashima, the Daleks, Ollistra & Tamisen, and the Twelve. That said, the climactic scene was absolutely incredible--I literally got chills. There's something about Ollistra's voice actress that just... wow. Wow. Wow. Oh my god do I love this character. She just takes complete command of every scene she's in--and it's like, I don't know, like she somehow elevates the performances of everyone else involved. Which is kind of a weird thing to say with performers of such skill as Paul McGann, or Jon Hurt for that matter, but what can I say? As good as they are, both Hurt and McGann seem better when they're acting opposite Jacqueline Pearce.
Also, loved the denouement. The Doctor refusing to answer or even really acknowledge Bliss' question? Perfect. Nevermind the Urashima's line in the climax about having seen "all of the futures where [the Doctor] said yes." Not quite chilling, but almost. I love it when we see glimpses into the Doctor's fear of himself--and fear of what he might become. Which, in this context, serves as some pleasant foreshadowing for the eventual desperation that will motivate his transition into the War Doctor.
So, all of that said... am I the only one bugged by allusive names that don't have any relevance to the story? If you're gonna name a character Jonah, I kind of expect the story to have a big storm and/or involve getting swallowed up by a whale; if you're gonna name a character Urashima, I expect the story to involve time dilation. I then spend almost the entire time with the story waiting for these elements to show up, looking for them, and when they don't materialize all I can say is... that's it? But, why?
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Post by elkawho on Sept 22, 2020 3:10:07 GMT
I just finished a re-listen of this set and I agree with you. I really liked it all, but Jonah is the weakest story. I find it interesting that I gave it 4 stars initially. I loved the first three stories almost evenly, although the Ogron story had to edge it out just for the audacity of the premise. I loved it.
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Post by Kestrel on Sept 23, 2020 20:53:56 GMT
Yeah, the Ogron Doc was fantastic. I think I'm gonna need to listen to it again, though, as I can't quite remember how it resolved.
It occurs to me that one of the reasons why Jonah didn't work as well is that the preceding stories were all very character-focused, whereas Jonah was more about MacGuffin plot device. Thinking on it more, I think Jonah also suffered a bit from having so many characters involved--especially in multiple submarines. What makes a submarine drama work is really the claustrophobia and isolation -- which is hard to convey in audio alone, and having such a large cast of characters works to the opposite effect.
It was also a bit weird having The Twelve in the story but doing so little with her--and I suppose this is an issue with the set as a whole. One of the fundamental problems with Doctor Who, and Big Finish doubly so, is a certain intractability when it comes to conclusions. Doctor Who is, essentially, about time travel, and the one eternal reality of time is that everything ends. Ideally, everything should have its time, and then pass: there should be whole eras of time and space where the Daleks and Cybermen and so on are lost and forgotten. The universe is a big place, and the fact that we keep seeing so many familiar faces pop-up, all over the place, makes the universe seem impossibly small. Obviously in most cases Big Finish's hands are tied: they can't exactly have Adric get murdered by the Master, right? Or have the Cybermen evolve into a less-hostile, more mundane civilization, right? But they have no such limitations when it comes to their own characters, or characters whose stories pick up where the TV show left off. When it comes to Ace or Romana or Leela, they can do anything.
Which is why it feels so weird to have them bring back The Twelve and then do nothing with her. We can safely assume she won't survive the Time War (few, apparently, did) so wouldn't this be an appropriate time for the character to die? Especially this incarnation, who can finally "redeem" herself of past sins? Ah well. Maybe next time.
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